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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:35:47 PM EDT
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"President Trump Signing Bump Stock Ban"
is not the same as "President Donald Trump is expected to announce that he will be signing..." Just saying.... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:36:17 PM EDT
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in order for it to be a compromise, both sides give up something in order to gain something in return. I don't see that we are gaining anything. Therefore, this would be a concession, not a compromise. We've been "compromising" our rights away for 80+ years. Enough. I don't want anymore "compromise", I don't want anymore concessions. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:37:28 PM EDT
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I don't believe it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:38:12 PM EDT
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we shouldnt be surprised.. I know somebody will say that even trigger fingers could be banned then... but the point is that the BS are a device made to work that way and well.. lets be honest... they are just a smart way to get around the law... also the binary triggers will be under the radar soon or later...  Because legislation has been drawn to ban all semi automatic firearms in several states. You think it won’t make it to the house at some point? |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:39:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:41:51 PM EDT
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Huge, huge mistake.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:43:02 PM EDT
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The average peasant in Iraq or Afghanistan can own a military grade selective fire AK-47, dshka or even a RPG. Meanwhile in the "land of the free" we get the short end of the stick.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:43:21 PM EDT
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Not sure if this is fake news or not. But even if its true, its just another useless bullshit law passed by useless vote buying pieces of shit that should be ignored at every possible opportunity.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:43:33 PM EDT
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There will be immediate lawsuits if he does. And probably an injunction in short order.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:44:05 PM EDT
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Not sure if this is fake news or not. But even if its true, its just another useless bullshit law passed by useless vote buying pieces of shit that should be ignored at every possible opportunity. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:45:16 PM EDT
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Chumming shark infested waters is all it will accomplish.
The communist gun grabbers are stirred up and more emboldened than ever... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:49:14 PM EDT
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"President Trump Signing Bump Stock Ban" is not the same as "President Donald Trump is expected to announce that he will be signing..." Just saying.... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:50:54 PM EDT
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Last time I checked these bumpstocks dont have serial numbers.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:50:59 PM EDT
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What exactly is he signing? Is there a bill or executive order? Serious question.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:51:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So why not ban semi automatic firearms then? You can’t bump fire a bolt gun... Because legislation has been drawn to ban all semi automatic firearms in several states. You think it won’t make it to the house at some point? |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:51:18 PM EDT
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I don't believe it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:57:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:08:09 PM EDT
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Unpossible. I was told that Trump would have the HPA pushed through, national reciprocity in place, and his Second Amendment coalition would be advancing gun rights everywhere by now. When I expressed doubts about this I was called a liberal and Hillary lover and told to get on the Trump Train or GTFO. #MAGA
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:08:28 PM EDT
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I just don't see how this is going to fly without congress passing a bill, and part of me wonders if that's the whole point. We all know this is going to land in court, and that court's decision may end up threatening the NFA. This could very well go to SCOTUS, and it would be the perfect case to reverse previous decisions. I know Trump is smart and cunning enough to engineer something like that, but I seriously doubt he cares enough about guns to bother. Then again, it might be a two birds with one stone kinda deal. He probably felt like he had to do something to appease dems in the wake of mass shootings, but he couldn't screw over his base, so maybe this is his way of giving us something we want while maintaining the illusion of being neutral and maintaining plausible deniability in the case that this ends up overturning existing gun laws.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:15:37 PM EDT
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I will turn mine in............. for $35,000 cash or in exchange for adding any gun to the MG registry
Anything less they can get fucked and come get it from me. Hope whoever they send to take it is fine with losing their life over a piece of plastic. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:17:21 PM EDT
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"President Trump Signing Bump Stock Ban" is not the same as "President Donald Trump is expected to announce that he will be signing..." Just saying.... once the rule is added to the Code of Federal Regulations, it's the law. President doesn't sign that... he already signed the order which directed the ATF's course of action |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:18:16 PM EDT
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... maybe Trump's base needs to remind him who elected him
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:22:42 PM EDT
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We are (about to be) regulating how quickly a semi-automatic firearm can fire. Welcome to America!!!!!  |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:25:47 PM EDT
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I'm unmarried with no children. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:26:43 PM EDT
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Wish I had stock in bury Drums.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:32:37 PM EDT
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This is ridiculous. They aren't even serialized. They would effectively be making funny-shaped pieces of plastic into contraband.
If this goes through, it will carve a large enough piece off of Trump's base that he will not likely be re-elected. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:33:27 PM EDT
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I wait for the first court challenge today too
The government has already set precedence with rulings from years back. That will be a HUGE problem for fighting to keep this "ruling" changed. We need a class action lawsuit started asap. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:33:34 PM EDT
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It's not a law. That's why it's going to be challenged immediately. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure if this is fake news or not. But even if its true, its just another useless bullshit law passed by useless vote buying pieces of shit that should be ignored at every possible opportunity.  even the NRA supports this. itll sail right through.
i became a lifetime NRA member right after the LV shooting. had I know then that the NRA would have come out against bump stocks id have not done so. and I dont even have one. i wonder if they'd give me a refund. i voted trump in 2016. again, why would I vote trump again, just to kick the can further down the road? again, I say let it all crash down |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:33:47 PM EDT
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FDJT
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:35:23 PM EDT
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MOLON LABE MOTHERFUCKERS, COME AND TAKE IT!
Actually I don't own one, but I don't think many people will defy this law. I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:35:45 PM EDT
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FDJT |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:35:47 PM EDT
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This just reaffirms why I am not voting for him again in 2020.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:36:41 PM EDT
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Is this winning?
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:38:26 PM EDT
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Fuxkin rediculous. Trump gonna ban belt loops, fingers, and rubber bands too? While hes bending his base over.  |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:38:31 PM EDT
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even the NRA supports this. itll sail right throughQuote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure if this is fake news or not. But even if its true, its just another useless bullshit law passed by useless vote buying pieces of shit that should be ignored at every possible opportunity. even the NRA supports this. itll sail right through |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:41:03 PM EDT
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That’s good. Now the Left will be satisfied and move on from gun control, this is their reasonable compromise.
*sarcasm |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:41:52 PM EDT
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the government has decided (long ago) that citizens shall not have machineguns. there are of course some available if you have the money and the vast amount of time it takes to buy one, assuming youre in a state where you can possess them, but in general THE GOVERNMENT HAS DECIDED YOU SHALL NOT HAVE MACHINEGUNS.
so, some industrious folks figure a work around that lets a semi sorta work like a machinegun. it takes a while but the government finally gets around to banning the clever workaround. the key issue here, the 'keep your eyes one the prize' sorta thing from the governments point of view is YOU SHALL NOT HAVE MACHINEGUNS. if you can grasp that point, you will have attained enlightenment. note that i think this is a sad state of affairs, but it is reality, as cold and hard is it might be for some to accept. AND if folks keep figuring out ways to make a semi-auto function like an MG, what do you think will eventually happen once democrats control all 3 branches of the government and those democrats are the 'NEW TYPE DEMOCRAT (basically socialists/communists)? |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:43:24 PM EDT
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The NRA supported regulation. They didn't and don't support a ban. I'm no NRA cock sucker like some around here, but lets at least get the facts right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure if this is fake news or not. But even if its true, its just another useless bullshit law passed by useless vote buying pieces of shit that should be ignored at every possible opportunity. even the NRA supports this. itll sail right through |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:44:21 PM EDT
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The Art of the Deal?
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:46:54 PM EDT
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"President Trump Signing Bump Stock Ban" is not the same as "President Donald Trump is expected to announce that he will be signing..." Just saying....
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:47:49 PM EDT
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I will turn mine in............. for $35,000 cash or in exchange for adding any gun to the MG registry Anything less they can get fucked and come get it from me. Hope whoever they send to take it is fine with losing their life over a piece of plastic. 
I'm really tired of this. We all know good and well that everyone, including you, is going to turn them in. And if they come for them, you're going to hand it over nice and easy, along with anything else they want. These are facts, just as surely as the sun will rise. There will be that one in a million guy living in a bunker in his basement who will resist, and he may take a few of them with him, but he's gonna get mowed down in the end, or wacoed. And those cops he takes with him might very easily be cops on this forum, with families. Cops who right now are probably saying they would refuse to follow such orders, quit their jobs before they would confiscate anyone's bump stocks. But that's BS too. When push comes to shove, they'll do what they're told because their families like to eat. So let's just all cut the bullshit. If you ignore this mandate and the orders come down from on high to confiscate your contraband, the cops are going to come to your door and demand your bump stocks, and you're going to hand them over without a fight, then allow yourself to be led away in handcuffs to face weapons charges. And if you are that one in a million asshole who murders a cop over a piece of plastic, you're going to death row, and 99% of the people on this forum will say good riddance. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:49:19 PM EDT
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There is something going on with this, even the Democrats are saying this is not a good idea. There is already a long thread going on in GD about this and I suspect that is where this thread will end up. They know it's a plastic toy, its a token win for them at best. Until DJT tells me I have 90 days to turn in my guns, I'll consider this pacificier for the lefties at best. But, they are smart enough to realize he's fucking himself with his base right now.. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:50:08 PM EDT
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I won’t be voting for anyone who makes that many gun owners felons with the stroke of a pen. He’s just another scumbag politician. Fuck him. Fuck the NRA. Fuck anyone who thinks this is ok. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:50:14 PM EDT
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That's right.
They're playing chess. One incremental move at a time, and they will eventually win. They'll keep the idea at the forefront of Americans' minds. The people who don't own bump stocks, or don't enjoy them, don't really care about bump stocks. Which is how most Americans who don't own firearms feel about firearms. Maybe not this year, but someday they will eliminate the 2nd, or through regulation modify its application to the point where it's a useless symbol, like so much of the Bill of Rights today. They'll just continue to chip away at civil liberties until they are no more. You cannot restrain government with a piece of paper and some words. That's why we have the 2nd Amendment. But let's face it, except for a few zealots, we're never going to use it to defend our individual rights from government. It's just not going to happen. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a compromise when they get everything they want and we get nothing. A compromise would have been removing suppressors from the NFA in exchange for banning bumpstocks. As others have said, it is the camel's nose. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:51:54 PM EDT
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snip But, they are smart enough to realize he's fucking himself with his base right now.. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:53:47 PM EDT
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Have we seen the text yet?
I'm curious how they could do this without new legislation (aside from the now obsolete fact the feds have no lawful authority to ban anything). I'm curious what they could come up with that would survive a court challenge. We have weird and complex gun laws now. We don't need more weirdness or complexity. That's more the issue than bumpstocks. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:54:33 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:54:50 PM EDT
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I have never wanted a bump stock. They are not conducive to accuracy. But I agree it is the camels nose under the tent. What next, binary triggers or the thing o the back that bends up? He has several NFA items in his firearm collection. His wife is a moderate, so he says. They are for "common sense" gun laws. I tried to explain that is how it starts and they use verbiage like that to make it seem like anyone in their right mind would have to be okay with this, and it not you're a crazy with a gun. Once they get that snowball rolling he can say goodbye to his NFA goodies.
I brought up all kinds of things like countries that disarm their populace are certainly not doing it for benevolent reasons. I was nicely throw the book at him. I never did get through. I've come to the conclusion that there are even people on our "side" that are truly clueless, and that some people wear rose colored glasses about the world and they will NOT take them off. It takes something truly life changing to make them wake up to reality. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:57:04 PM EDT
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I have a girlfriend with no children, just tell me when. Pmags are ready to be popped. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm unmarried with no children. |
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