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Posted: 11/3/2018 5:47:54 PM EDT
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We don't know that the pickup will have a removable top. Solid front axles suck. I own a Wrangler despite the solid front axle, not because of it. Do you see any solid front axles on the most capable off-road vehicles available, like desert racing trucks or SxS ATVs? Nope. The only reason Jeeps still have them is to satisfy the traditionalists. Time to move forward. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so a slighter smaller competitor to an F150? check Solid front axles suck. I own a Wrangler despite the solid front axle, not because of it. Do you see any solid front axles on the most capable off-road vehicles available, like desert racing trucks or SxS ATVs? Nope. The only reason Jeeps still have them is to satisfy the traditionalists. Time to move forward. 
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Posted: 11/3/2018 5:48:53 PM EDT
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The super douche driving that will be interesting.
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Posted: 11/3/2018 5:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The vast majority of Wrangler owners will never go "rock crawling" with it, and would be far better off with IFS. For most owners, their off-road activities will consist of driving it out to the dunes or beach on a weekend, or down a two-track to their hunting shack, but they won't intentionally smash it up on rocks every weekend. Also, "sucks" is a strong word. A well set up Polaris Razor will kick a Jeep's ass down any rocky trail, even with IFS. The vast majority of sports car owners don't take their cars to track days, or a drag strip. The vast majority of Mercedes Gelandewagen (also still have solid axles, so does the Unimog) and Hummer/Humvee owners don't go invading the neighboring country. The vast majority of Wrangler owners probably shouldn't have bought a Wrangler, but they are buying the image. And that image involves solid axles. It is what makes them so easy to offroad and modify. The newest Wranglers have been purposefully designed to be modified, and fit 33 to 35" (Rubicon) tires stock. The aftermarket is the biggest driver on price and resale with these things. Jeep/Chrysler would have to be brain dead to change the formula. They are selling a 1/4 million a year. This generation is supposed to be the 'best riding', but as far as the SFA goes, they will ignore the soccer moms and yuppies bitching about ride quality for the foreseeable future and continue to print money with these things. The Polaris can sometimes best a Jeep because it is MUCH SMALLER and MUCH LIGHTER (a 1940s Willys or Jeep CJ2A/CJ3A/CJ3B etc can for the same reason). On some trails they are simply TOO small. You can't climb what you can't fit over or fall in to. Lots of broken stuff like front diffs when they run parts of the Rubicon trial etc. Someone needs to call up pro rock crawlers and tell them they need to start running Polaris Razors 
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Posted: 11/3/2018 6:01:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You bought it, or did your husband buy it for you? |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 6:08:26 PM EDT
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The Jeep pickup is a in-between of a Jeep and a truck. I can see the appeal of it for some, possibly nice for hunters? |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 6:19:30 PM EDT
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I wish ... you know what these fuckers cost? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You bought it, or did your husband buy it for you? 
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Posted: 11/3/2018 6:38:54 PM EDT
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Bought a JL Tuesday. After hearing that Fiat execs comment about pricing for the truck they can shove it. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 6:48:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know that the pickup will have a removable top. Solid front axles suck. I own a Wrangler despite the solid front axle, not because of it. Do you see any solid front axles on the most capable off-road vehicles available, like desert racing trucks or SxS ATVs? Nope. The only reason Jeeps still have them is to satisfy the traditionalists. Time to move forward. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 6:51:12 PM EDT
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they did not sell well the first time. wonder how it will now. though jeeps are very popular still.
1982 
1981-1985 
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Posted: 11/3/2018 7:04:37 PM EDT
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Kind of cool. Single row with a long bed would be better. Bringing back the International Harvester Scout would be pretty awesome too. 
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Posted: 11/3/2018 7:14:19 PM EDT
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He needs to consider the source, as well. Consumer Reports is notoriously biased against American brands, and their methodology is questionable at best. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jeep reliability, or to say, non-reliability, concerns me. Just saw Consumer's Reports reliability ratings, and Jeep, as a whole, does not fare well, at all. Frankly, in my memory, it hasn't fared well for quite a long time. I get it about re-sale values of Jeeps, at least some Jeeps. That tells me that prospective Jeep buyers are not prioritizing reliability. No insult intended to Jeep owners/fans. Maybe they actually got the JL hardtops to not leak, finally. They sure as hell never managed it with the JK's. ... Wheelbase on this thing looks silly-long, unless it's some sort of optical illusion. Not much reason to go for one over a lightly built mid-size pickup if the wheelbase is longer. They'll probably sell every one they make though. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 7:41:35 PM EDT
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Does the whole top come off? Like down to the bed? If not no care. 
Shameless TJ owner here. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 7:43:34 PM EDT
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To be seen at a mall near you. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 7:45:42 PM EDT
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Like this, or no? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/440865/6727E605-6B32-42E1-96FC-43A9BCBCF2F0_jpeg-726012.JPG |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 7:55:53 PM EDT
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Wife wants one bad. Will be trading in her 4Runner for a diesel Rubicon when it comes out. Do to AO will add winch and lights.
Still wont be as cool as my Bog Block powered CJ-5 though. 
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Posted: 11/3/2018 7:57:44 PM EDT
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Shoulders too wide for a Jeep. I’m 6’4”.
Most of the Jeep’s I see around Texas are driven by girls. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 8:43:31 PM EDT
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Shoulders too wide for a Jeep. I’m 6’4”. Most of the Jeep’s I see around Texas are driven by girls. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 8:46:38 PM EDT
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I’m curious of how these will shake out. Will it just be a minivan with a Jeep/truck like exterior? |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 8:49:51 PM EDT
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I like the looks of it, but I still feel I should say something bad about it.
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Posted: 11/3/2018 8:50:09 PM EDT
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Shoulders too wide for a Jeep. I’m 6’4”. Most of the Jeep’s I see around Texas are driven by girls. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 8:50:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unlike a lot of other arfcomisms, the mall crawler stereotype is a legitimately accurate stereotype. Especially for wranglers. I almost never see a stock wrangler anymore. Its got about 20k worth of bolt on accessories, and never leaves the black top. ALWAYS seen pristine with nary a smudge. I don't hate, but jealous they have the money to spend so frivolously on unused accessories. One could have a lot of fun taking mall crawlers out for what they're supposed to be doing. It's a shame they will never use em to their capacity. ETA: i really like that truck's design. The only thing that keeps me from buying jeeps is their subaverage reliability and resale. Oh, and I'm too poor haha Let's see your junk on Upper H. ???? |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 8:51:14 PM EDT
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I'm 6'4", 235. Sat in one earlier this week and fit fine. But they are driven mostly by women Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shoulders too wide for a Jeep. I’m 6’4”. Most of the Jeep’s I see around Texas are driven by girls. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:02:11 PM EDT
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I love the ride of solid front axles on trucks.
It’s not a sports car, and shouldn’t ride like one. So tired of Chevy’s made from butter front ends. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:08:02 PM EDT
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Its not a fucking pickup... For fuck sake!
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:11:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know that the pickup will have a removable top. Solid front axles suck. I own a Wrangler despite the solid front axle, not because of it. Do you see any solid front axles on the most capable off-road vehicles available, like desert racing trucks or SxS ATVs? Nope. The only reason Jeeps still have them is to satisfy the traditionalists. Time to move forward. 
Solid axles are simpler and more durable. They have less moving parts and are less inclined to squeak over time. You asking for Jeep, or even Ford and RAM, to get rid of solid front axles is like asking for America to be more like Europe. You have your IFS options. Stop trying to force your preferences on everyone else. You're dead to me. My ranch truck back when we lived in the city:  Attached FileOnce upon a time crawler. Should have bought a Toyota when I was 16. I passed up one on the same lot as the first Mazda I saw and it was probably one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I would still have it had I bought the Toyota... The Mazda had a slip yoke front output on the transfer case so I had to rig all this up. I ended up unbolting everything of value and scraping the rest. Poorly set up divorced t-case kept stripping out every bolt hole in the trans from vibration.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:18:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wait until you start modding it. 
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:42:44 PM EDT
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We have owned 2 CJs, a TJ, 2JKs, a Hemi Grand and now this ... wife said "you can have it but no mods 'till payoff" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:52:04 PM EDT
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Its not a fucking pickup... For fuck sake!
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:55:41 PM EDT
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Unlike a lot of other arfcomisms, the mall crawler stereotype is a legitimately accurate stereotype. Especially for wranglers. I almost never see a stock wrangler anymore. Its got about 20k worth of bolt on accessories, and never leaves the black top. ALWAYS seen pristine with nary a smudge. I don't hate, but jealous they have the money to spend so frivolously on unused accessories. One could have a lot of fun taking mall crawlers out for what they're supposed to be doing. It's a shame they will never use em to their capacity. ETA: i really like that truck's design. The only thing that keeps me from buying jeeps is their subaverage reliability and resale. Oh, and I'm too poor haha Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To be seen at a mall near you. I almost never see a stock wrangler anymore. Its got about 20k worth of bolt on accessories, and never leaves the black top. ALWAYS seen pristine with nary a smudge. I don't hate, but jealous they have the money to spend so frivolously on unused accessories. One could have a lot of fun taking mall crawlers out for what they're supposed to be doing. It's a shame they will never use em to their capacity. ETA: i really like that truck's design. The only thing that keeps me from buying jeeps is their subaverage reliability and resale. Oh, and I'm too poor haha |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:57:36 PM EDT
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Looks good, probably the best application for the JK chassis. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:59:30 PM EDT
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This is on the JL chassis, no? |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 10:03:45 PM EDT
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Shoulders too wide for a Jeep. I’m 6’4”. Most of the Jeep’s I see around Texas are driven by girls. ). Just got a jk and I love it. No problems fitting at all.
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Posted: 11/3/2018 10:07:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/3/2018 10:07:36 PM EDT
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JT Chassis. Similar to JL, but a completely unique frame. Ram 1500 rear suspension. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is on the JL chassis, no? |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 10:11:17 PM EDT
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It’s a JL châssis. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 10:11:30 PM EDT
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Hopefully it’s decent and comes with a 5.7 or 6.4 option like most jeeps should. Still thinking I’d like the AEV brute better.
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Posted: 11/3/2018 10:13:01 PM EDT
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Seems odd that they would create a while new chassis when they could just reuse the JL. Older leaked CAD image of a JK frame vs the JT frame. |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 7:47:27 AM EDT
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JT Chassis. Similar to JL, but a completely unique frame. Ram 1500 rear suspension. |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 8:12:49 AM EDT
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Looks like this.
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Posted: 11/4/2018 8:24:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be wrong. The manufacturers have to pay penalties for not meeting the standards, and every .1 mpg matters to them. 1 or 2 mpg might not seem like much to you, but it's huge to them. It's also based on EPA tests, not real-world driving. |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 5:12:48 PM EDT
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It is on the short list to replace my Tahoe.
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Posted: 11/4/2018 7:27:07 PM EDT
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I want one. I can afford one. But I refuse to spend the amount they will want for one. Fuck this new car market. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want one. I can afford one. It may be what I replace my truck and my smaller car with to simplify. Body style looks nice. Easy to change things as I want to. I want to see some asshole buy one and shove the Hellephant motor into it. Fuck this new car market. |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 8:08:25 PM EDT
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I kinda like it.
Too small for the shit I do but I like it. |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 8:53:20 PM EDT
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They're going to charge out the wazoo for this truck: Rec |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 11:28:23 PM EDT
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Just leaked. It's gonna be called the Gladiator, not the Scrambler. Going old school. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 11:53:33 PM EDT
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FUCKING LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not quite. It's longer than a JLU, unique frame, 6500ish towing. It's a true midsize truck...just convertible and solid axles, like God intended. Like a better but less reliable Tacoma. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 3:48:07 PM EDT
[#47]
This picture look interesting
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Posted: 11/11/2018 4:01:40 PM EDT
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This picture look interesting https://portiaplante.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2018-Jeep-Gladiator-Pickup-Spied-1024x768.jpg 
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Posted: 11/11/2018 4:13:51 PM EDT
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Id drive it to the mall.
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Posted: 11/11/2018 4:17:29 PM EDT
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I want a full-length hardtop Troopy version.
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