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I think it needs to be raised. I've seen the 18 year olds being churned out by the education system, and they are not ready for adult shit. I also think violent movies & video games should be viewed only by those of the age they are specified for, no letting parents buy them tickets, and take off. No more allowing the parents to buy them a violent video game, only to use it as a babysitter. When a "child" commits a violent crime, the parents should be held responsible. Our moral compass is fucked, it's time to bring back the Richie Cunningham era. Also, make divorce more difficult with children, penalize adulterers. We have to start somewhere. I know I sound like a loon, but why should I give up my rights for other people's fuck ups
I like this, prob is , we'll never get back to there. The same perps that talk about those bad guns, have fucking nothing to say where they fucked up as a parent, and still are. |
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Quoted: I think it needs to be raised. I've seen the 18 year olds being churned out by the education system, and they are not ready for adult shit. I also think violent movies & video games should be viewed only by those of the age they are specified for, no letting parents buy them tickets, and take off. No more allowing the parents to buy them a violent video game, only to use it as a babysitter. When a "child" commits a violent crime, the parents should be held responsible. Our moral compass is fucked, it's time to bring back the Richie Cunningham era. Also, make divorce more difficult with children, penalize adulterers. We have to start somewhere. I know I sound like a loon, but why should I give up my rights for other people's fuck ups I like this, prob is , we'll never get back to there. The same perps that talk about those bad guns, have fucking nothing to say where they fucked up as a parent, and still are. View Quote |
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Quoted: I think it needs to be raised. I've seen the 18 year olds being churned out by the education system, and they are not ready for adult shit. I also think violent movies & video games should be viewed only by those of the age they are specified for, no letting parents buy them tickets, and take off. No more allowing the parents to buy them a violent video game, only to use it as a babysitter. When a "child" commits a violent crime, the parents should be held responsible. Our moral compass is fucked, it's time to bring back the Richie Cunningham era. Also, make divorce more difficult with children, penalize adulterers. We have to start somewhere. I know I sound like a loon, but why should I give up my rights for other people's fuck ups I like this, prob is , we'll never get back to there. The same perps that talk about those bad guns, have fucking nothing to say where they fucked up as a parent, and still are. View Quote |
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Over 21 to own a semi-automatic - I'm fine with it.
Sorry, but I am. 18 to 21 year olds are far less mature these days. ... This is where my statement gets attacked by 18 to 21 year olds. Single-shot rifle or shottie for 18 to 21 year olds isn't a bad thing. But then over 300 HP cars and trucks for 16 to 21 year olds is dumb, too - and nobody is trying to limit them. I'm a believer in freedom, but freedom earned after training periods. I'm not sure what the motorcycle laws here are anymore, but in Europe many places have new motorcyclists start out on under-some-CC or under-some-horsepower , then graduate. That 'graduation' event with guns used to be parents, but in the USA with as many parent-less kids as we have, a beginner period for firearms would be fine. |
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I would almost be okay with 21 to buy, IF we get something major in return. What, I don’t know, but if we give an inch here, we better take a foot somewhere else. I’m sick of playing the damage control game instead of coordinating actual compromise. If anyone can do that, it’s Trump. We’ll see. View Quote I think any restrictions on anything should be traded equally for lessening restrictions on people who aren't "problems". Low hanging fruit is national reciprocity on weapons carry licenses. Repeal the hughes amendment and removing silencers from the NFA would be 2 big ones. I'm sure some in GD would label me a commie pinko leftist for this, but I'm fine with making it 21 to buy any gun WITH the exception to those in military service. If the left routinely complains about how you don't need any training to buy a gun or carry concealed, then it should be obvious that someone with military training would meet that criteria. I also don't have any problems with treating most people under the age of 25 as children. Functioning families with both parents in the home RAISING their children with respect and discipline are few and far between nowadays. |
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So what about the 18-21 year olds in the military? They shouldn’t be legally allowed to have guns then. Keep it at 18 and raise voting age higher to keep these stupid liberal kids that have zero life experience from voting on real life issues.
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Over 21 to own a semi-automatic - I'm fine with it. Sorry, but I am. 18 to 21 year olds are far less mature these days. ... This is where my statement gets attacked by 18 to 21 year olds. Single-shot rifle or shottie for 18 to 21 year olds isn't a bad thing. But then over 300 HP cars and trucks for 16 to 21 year olds is dumb, too - and nobody is trying to limit them. I'm a believer in freedom, but freedom earned after training periods. I'm not sure what the motorcycle laws here are anymore, but in Europe many places have new motorcyclists start out on under-some-CC or under-some-horsepower , then graduate. That 'graduation' event with guns used to be parents, but in the USA with as many parent-less kids as we have, a beginner period for firearms would be fine. View Quote |
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I'm ok with the age to buy a rifle or shotgun being the same age to buy a handgun.
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If history is a guide, they will add an exception for active duty military and law enforcement.
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Here’s a thought....I really don’t care about you or your Coc. I’m not sure what terrifies you about an age restriction to keep an AR15 out of the hands of the age group most likely to shoot up a school with it. Not to mention that each time one of these idiots shoot up a school, it gives the other side more ammunition to outright ban AR15’s. But then again, I really don’t care what you think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I really don’t have a problem with a 21 year old ownership law. It would maybe stop some of these shooters from getting their hands off n guns OR make them try to find them illegally which might ‘out’ them. But I also think there needs to be a law holding the gun owners responsible for the fact that they leave their guns laying around so these minors can kill people with them. If a kid breaks into a safe or takes some extraordinary effort to get the guns, no charges for the owner that secured them. Too many times we find these retard kid’s parents buying them guns and then not securing them. They give the kids carte Blanche access and when the kid snaps it’s as easy to grab the gun as it is a backpack. I wish the COC didnt keep me from telling you what I really want to say about what you "think" I’m not sure what terrifies you about an age restriction to keep an AR15 out of the hands of the age group most likely to shoot up a school with it. Not to mention that each time one of these idiots shoot up a school, it gives the other side more ammunition to outright ban AR15’s. But then again, I really don’t care what you think. |
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You foolishly think that will keep guns out of these monster's hands and stop school killings. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I really don’t have a problem with a 21 year old ownership law. It would maybe stop some of these shooters from getting their hands off n guns OR make them try to find them illegally which might ‘out’ them. But I also think there needs to be a law holding the gun owners responsible for the fact that they leave their guns laying around so these minors can kill people with them. If a kid breaks into a safe or takes some extraordinary effort to get the guns, no charges for the owner that secured them. Too many times we find these retard kid’s parents buying them guns and then not securing them. They give the kids carte Blanche access and when the kid snaps it’s as easy to grab the gun as it is a backpack. I wish the COC didnt keep me from telling you what I really want to say about what you "think" I’m not sure what terrifies you about an age restriction to keep an AR15 out of the hands of the age group most likely to shoot up a school with it. Not to mention that each time one of these idiots shoot up a school, it gives the other side more ammunition to outright ban AR15’s. But then again, I really don’t care what you think. What raising the minimum age would do would have made the Florida shooter get his weapon elsewhere other than a legal way. As it stands now, we could have any number of copycats buying an AR15 right now so that the news media and politicians can hammer away at the fact it was all legal. |
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I’m stunned at how easily people are folding this time around.
An 18-20 year old shouldn’t be denied a basic right, period. |
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I’m stunned at how easily people are folding this time around. An 18-20 year old shouldn’t be denied a basic right, period. View Quote |
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Quoted: I think it needs to be raised. I've seen the 18 year olds being churned out by the education system, and they are not ready for adult shit. I also think violent movies & video games should be viewed only by those of the age they are specified for, no letting parents buy them tickets, and take off. No more allowing the parents to buy them a violent video game, only to use it as a babysitter. When a "child" commits a violent crime, the parents should be held responsible. Our moral compass is fucked, it's time to bring back the Richie Cunningham era. Also, make divorce more difficult with children, penalize adulterers. We have to start somewhere. I know I sound like a loon, but why should I give up my rights for other people's fuck ups I like this, prob is , we'll never get back to there. The same perps that talk about those bad guns, have fucking nothing to say where they fucked up as a parent, and still are. View Quote |
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Quoted: No. A motivated individual will find a way to kill you if they are sufficiently motivated. I told this to a coworker that “we’re in the office, which is a gun free / weapon free zone, but if I wanted you dead, you would be dead.” I picked up about eight items in my cubicle that could be used to kill him to make my point. He knew I wasn’t threatening him. What raising the minimum age would do would have made the Florida shooter get his weapon elsewhere other than a legal way. As it stands now, we could have any number of copycats buying an AR15 right now so that the news media and politicians can hammer away at the fact it was all legal. View Quote It wasn't. The kid should've had a criminal record, or been Baker Acted. Law enforcement failed. |
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Over 21 to own a semi-automatic - I'm fine with it. Sorry, but I am. 18 to 21 year olds are far less mature these days. ... This is where my statement gets attacked by 18 to 21 year olds. Single-shot rifle or shottie for 18 to 21 year olds isn't a bad thing. But then over 300 HP cars and trucks for 16 to 21 year olds is dumb, too - and nobody is trying to limit them. I'm a believer in freedom, but freedom earned after training periods. I'm not sure what the motorcycle laws here are anymore, but in Europe many places have new motorcyclists start out on under-some-CC or under-some-horsepower , then graduate. That 'graduation' event with guns used to be parents, but in the USA with as many parent-less kids as we have, a beginner period for firearms would be fine. View Quote Funny thing. I believe in freedom. No buts. I'm 45 years old, so I don't fit your 18-21 demographic. I still think you're high as a kite to think this way. |
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It always pissed me off (when I was in the Army) that I couldn't buy a damn 1911, that I couldn't buy ammo for a pistol and that I had to sign a book/ledger stating .22 rim fire ammo was going to be used in a rifle and yet I could still get sent off somewhere to kill other people, or get killed, fighting a damn war.
How in the hell is "right" to send a kid off to kill/get killed in combat and then tell him he can't buy a gun of his own? That shit sucked in 1975/76/77 and it still sucks now. |
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99.9999% of us lawful gun owners follow/obey the rules and then this .0001% psycho kid goes on a rampage that should have been caught by the current system. Now the rest of the 99.9999% need to give up something because of that. How is that not fucked up?
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Those of you willing to raise the rifle purchase age should be ashamed of yourselves. But while we're at it, let's raise the age to drive & give consent to 21 as well. That will create a whole new class of felons and force you to tote your 'kids' around for an extra five years. LOL
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Page 6 and I still don't see any audio, video, or anything written by Trump saying this.
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so they're old enough for comfortable old men like most of us on this site (including myself) to send them to go die in some globalist war but not old enough to own a gun at home.
ridiculous. to those who agree with raising the age, your kid might not be mature enough to own a firearm at 18 but both of mine were extremely reasonable, intelligent young men by 18 and both demonstrated then and still do today a respect for firearms and firearm safety. i hope there are any house or senate republicans worth a damn willing to fight the President on this. that is, assuming this is something that requires legislation. if this ends up becoming a reality i will be extremely disappointed in the President. |
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Try to remember that posses, own and purchase are not the same thing.
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I’m stunned at how easily people are folding this time around. An 18-20 year old shouldn’t be denied a basic right, period. View Quote That said, the sky doesn’t fall if that comes to pass but god damnit we should get something else out of the bargain. |
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Liberals always talk like this. I believe in the 2nd amendment, but... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Over 21 to own a semi-automatic - I'm fine with it. Sorry, but I am. 18 to 21 year olds are far less mature these days. ... This is where my statement gets attacked by 18 to 21 year olds. Single-shot rifle or shottie for 18 to 21 year olds isn't a bad thing. But then over 300 HP cars and trucks for 16 to 21 year olds is dumb, too - and nobody is trying to limit them. I'm a believer in freedom, but freedom earned after training periods. I'm not sure what the motorcycle laws here are anymore, but in Europe many places have new motorcyclists start out on under-some-CC or under-some-horsepower , then graduate. That 'graduation' event with guns used to be parents, but in the USA with as many parent-less kids as we have, a beginner period for firearms would be fine. How about raising kids who are complete shit heads instead of infringing on freedoms? |
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"Most" 18-20 year olds seem to be immature idiots these days. I'll be 43 this summber, thinking back to that age I can't believe the stupid shit we did. At least we weren't eating detergent...
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yep.. 21 ... and move the voting age also..
because the constitution and rights either apply or dont... |
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The age to legally purchase ANY firearm should be lowered to 16.
I am completely serious. If you are allowed to pilot a 4000 lb vehicle down the road at highway speeds, you are CLEARLY responsible enough to own a firearm. Driving a car is far more dangerous and deadly than owning a firearm. All of you old grampa's that seem to think that "kids today" are soooo stupid and immature have clearly not been paying attention to the world outside. If anything, kids today are more mature, better educated and more wise to the world than they were decades ago. |
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Over 21 to own a semi-automatic - I'm fine with it. Sorry, but I am. 18 to 21 year olds are far less mature these days. ... This is where my statement gets attacked by 18 to 21 year olds. Single-shot rifle or shottie for 18 to 21 year olds isn't a bad thing. But then over 300 HP cars and trucks for 16 to 21 year olds is dumb, too - and nobody is trying to limit them. I'm a believer in freedom, but freedom earned after training periods. I'm not sure what the motorcycle laws here are anymore, but in Europe many places have new motorcyclists start out on under-some-CC or under-some-horsepower , then graduate. That 'graduation' event with guns used to be parents, but in the USA with as many parent-less kids as we have, a beginner period for firearms would be fine. View Quote |
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Actually, if we let illegal aliens buy guns, Dems would probably immediately begin to defend the right bear arms. Hell, they'd probably torpedo Hughes.
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The age to legally purchase ANY firearm should be lowered to 16. I am completely serious. If you are allowed to pilot a 4000 lb vehicle down the road at highway speeds, you are CLEARLY responsible enough to own a firearm. Driving a car is far more dangerous and deadly than owning a firearm. All of you old grampa's that seem to think that "kids today" are soooo stupid and immature have clearly not been paying attention to the world outside. If anything, kids today are more mature, better educated and more wise to the world than they were decades ago. View Quote |
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The age to legally purchase ANY firearm should be lowered to 16. I am completely serious. If you are allowed to pilot a 4000 lb vehicle down the road at highway speeds, you are CLEARLY responsible enough to own a firearm. Driving a car is far more dangerous and deadly than owning a firearm. All of you old grampa's that seem to think that "kids today" are soooo stupid and immature have clearly not been paying attention to the world outside. If anything, kids today are more mature, better educated and more wise to the world than they were decades ago. View Quote |
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Then what you propose is worthless and doesn't save lives. It wasn't. The kid should've had a criminal record, or been Baker Acted. Law enforcement failed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: No. A motivated individual will find a way to kill you if they are sufficiently motivated. I told this to a coworker that “we’re in the office, which is a gun free / weapon free zone, but if I wanted you dead, you would be dead.” I picked up about eight items in my cubicle that could be used to kill him to make my point. He knew I wasn’t threatening him. What raising the minimum age would do would have made the Florida shooter get his weapon elsewhere other than a legal way. As it stands now, we could have any number of copycats buying an AR15 right now so that the news media and politicians can hammer away at the fact it was all legal. It wasn't. The kid should've had a criminal record, or been Baker Acted. Law enforcement failed. The point is that he was able to buy it legally and that fact will be hammered on by the media. The fact that he should not have been able to keep it due to the mental health and law problems is a different story. But my point still stands that not all 18-20 year olds will shoot up a school BUT enough 18-20 year olds will shoot up a school and become the poster child for gun control. Not to mention the lives lost and their impact. I really don’t get excited if a person has to wait until 21 to buy a weapon, rifle or pistol. By then, they are mature so that normal teen bs—girlfriends and high school drama is over. |
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I agree with what Rush said yesterday
And, remember, Trump’s like anybody, he would love to do something that gets praised from the Drive-By Media. He’d love it. But that just becomes a starting point. Then if we agree, Trump agrees, age limit to buying a gun, what about age limit on any other constitutional rights? What about an age limit on free speech? What about an age limit on the right to assembly? What about an age limit on guaranteed protection against illegal searches? Like they can search you until you’re 25. Up until 25 you got nothing worth hiding, but after 25...
That’s the slippery slope to me. The slippery slope is that these things are never solutions. It never ends. They always begin a new objective or agenda of further restrictions on additional constitutional rights. View Quote |
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Then what you propose is worthless and doesn't save lives. It wasn't. The kid should've had a criminal record, or been Baker Acted. Law enforcement failed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: No. A motivated individual will find a way to kill you if they are sufficiently motivated. I told this to a coworker that “we’re in the office, which is a gun free / weapon free zone, but if I wanted you dead, you would be dead.” I picked up about eight items in my cubicle that could be used to kill him to make my point. He knew I wasn’t threatening him. What raising the minimum age would do would have made the Florida shooter get his weapon elsewhere other than a legal way. As it stands now, we could have any number of copycats buying an AR15 right now so that the news media and politicians can hammer away at the fact it was all legal. It wasn't. The kid should've had a criminal record, or been Baker Acted. Law enforcement failed. many years. He was a cutter, filled with self hatred, hatred and cruelty to pets and small animals, the cutting is a sign of self hatred and disassociated state...numbness no feelings for others, no remorse, no pity, no empathy devoid of normal human affection he could cut himself and not feel anything...naturally he could hurt living things including other kids and not feel anything. He stepped outside himself and was disassociated from his actions like viewing himself through someone elses eyes...his therapist certainly knew this. Why else prescribe the cocktail of psych drugs he was on. He actually seemed to do better on the psych meds as a lot of people do...but then the contraindications kicked in the violent side effects not uncommon with such drugs... This is what should have been on a whole bunch of professional's radar and was not...why is that? He should have been committed long before the shooting probably after the first couple of police contacts. The gun did not do this the type of gun is irrelevant to this. The pscyh meds and their side effects is something people need to have a serious conversation about but are not. The media as per usual is ignoring this component instead focusing on the kind of weapon used...that is pretty freaking bizarre to my thinking. And out of touch with reality. But then the advertising dollars from trillion dollars companies on national television must be substantial |
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You should not be allowed to operate a motorcycle over 200cc unless you are over 21. They are dangerous.
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If true, I'm really not against this. The adult age needs to be raised for everything. I've been saying it for years. View Quote As usual, Thomas Sowell nails it: Abolish Adolescence ETA excerpt from the linked article: "It is only relatively recently, as history is measured, that teenagers have had the luxury of being adolescent. Today we are appalled at the thought of teenage mothers but, for most of history, most mothers were teenagers when they had their first child. But they were not adolescents. It was understood that girls would get married in their teens and that they would need both maturity and numerous skills to cope with the demands of creating a home and raising a family. Boys likewise had to be prepared to take on a man's responsibilities, which included not only work in factories and farms, but also the protection of his home and family, especially in frontier areas. There was little time for all the irresponsible self-indulgences that we today associate with adolescence. Was life grim? Sometimes. But there was also a sense of personal fulfillment at having met life's challenges and mastered them. It is today's over-indulged teenagers who are committing suicide in record numbers or seeking escape into drugs, cults and other self-destructive behavior. Life's inherent challenges that helped create maturity in the past have now been largely removed by our dumbed-down schools, rigid child labor laws and indulgent parents." |
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Over 21 to own a semi-automatic - I'm fine with it. Sorry, but I am. 18 to 21 year olds are far less mature these days. ... This is where my statement gets attacked by 18 to 21 year olds. Single-shot rifle or shottie for 18 to 21 year olds isn't a bad thing. But then over 300 HP cars and trucks for 16 to 21 year olds is dumb, too - and nobody is trying to limit them. I'm a believer in freedom, but freedom earned after training periods. I'm not sure what the motorcycle laws here are anymore, but in Europe many places have new motorcyclists start out on under-some-CC or under-some-horsepower , then graduate. That 'graduation' event with guns used to be parents, but in the USA with as many parent-less kids as we have, a beginner period for firearms would be fine. View Quote |
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ought not to be able to join the military/be drafted not considered an adult can't drink can't enter into contracts etc I am 100% against piecemeal rights based on an arbitrary number. I don't care what the age of majority is, but you should get your entire suite of rights when that age occurs, whatever it is. View Quote |
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