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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:06:21 AM EDT
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His press secretary said he was willing to talk gun control, he sent a memo to the atf about bump stocks, he's meeting with Geraldo and school shooting gun control advocates to discuss gun control. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:06:58 AM EDT
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(Quoting myself from earlier....) Trump said (verbatim): “I directed Attorney General to clarify whether certain bumpstock devices like the one used in Las Vegas are illegal under current law Bumpstocks are not illegal under current law. They fire one round per function of the trigger. Furthermore... “...I signed a memorandum directing Attorney General to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns.” Meaning.... Abso-FUCK’N-lutely NOTHING!!!!!! Devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns ARE already illegal. Trump says hey, I told them to ban anything that turns guns into machine guns. Bump stocks don't do that per THE ATF definition of a machine gun. Therefore, nothing is banned. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:07:31 AM EDT
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So you're going to vote for who instead? Oprah? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My vote is up in the air at the moment. This has changed my opinion of him. Depending on the next three years and how he does in the 2A department depends on if he gets my vote. Screw you guys saying its just a piece of plastic. Not one Inch dammit! |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:07:51 AM EDT
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I'm not reading 47 pages except to say that I hope we all realize that our president knows what bump stocks are, probably due to his son, and probably didn't just do this on a whim. And secondly I don't think a bump stock ban is going anywhere, it has to happen in the legislature, the ATF already said they can't do this, it doesn't matter if they are ordered to review it again or not. You all went crazy when w said he would support an AWB ban if it Congress sent one to him, knowing full well it would never come to his desk. I'm not saying he was lying, but both of them could be using the same tactic. We all know that this is a nothingburger gimme for Huckabee to use from her pulpit. Don't let Trump support turn into a Libertarian movement destroying ideology where if it's not pure capital L then it's nothing. Perfect is the enemy of good enough, and as long as no ban on bump stocks ever materializes I think we need to give the president a couple of weeks to see how things play out. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:09:36 AM EDT
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This. The big problem with "assault weapons" bans is that they have no impact on crime, and the lack of impact leads to the next ban. Ban "assault weapons", nothing changes, liberals cry that we need a different ban. NOTHING WILL EVER SATISFY THE BANNERS. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:10:37 AM EDT
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(Quoting myself from earlier....) Trump said (verbatim): "I directed Attorney General to clarify whether certain bumpstock devices like the one used in Las Vegas are illegal under current law Bumpstocks are not illegal under current law. They fire one round per function of the trigger. Furthermore... "...I signed a memorandum directing Attorney General to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns." Meaning.... Abso-FUCK'N-lutely NOTHING!!!!!! Devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns ARE already illegal. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:11:04 AM EDT
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So if you own a bump stick and it’s made illegal what then? Am I supposed to just report to the gulag?
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:11:17 AM EDT
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1986 Hughes Amend Passes = all post 86 Machine guns are illegal for private ownership
Gun market reacts to Hughes = devices that simulate machine gun like rates of fire while still keeping semi auto For years ATF says bump stock and other devices are legal = thousands of these devices are made and sold Machine gun value continues to climb = machine guns with more controlled purchase process become impossible for most $20-30,000 machine gun prices = more bump stock like devices are produced and sold than ever before Shootings = Political Theater Bump stock = machine gun Post 86 machine gun = illegal for private ownership Constitutional requirements says the Gov has to give you due compensation to seize the now illegal item = $20-30,000 value item each since it's a machine gun Potential solution = repeal Hughes Amend and remove the NFA tax, allow free registration on form 1 for existing devices and the machine gun sales line for Post 86 guns is now open, allowing the republicans to claim a win and Trump to say he created that improved background check system for the purchase of such devices, all while saying they reclassified bump stocks to make them harder to purchase and improving the odds of catching a non qualified buyer because of the review done on NFA purchases. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:14:03 AM EDT
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1986 Hughes Amend Passes = all post 86 Machine guns are illegal for private ownership Gun market reacts to Hughes = devices that simulate machine gun like rates of fire while still keeping semi auto For years ATF says bump stock and other devices are legal = thousands of these devices are made and sold Machine gun value continues to climb = machine guns with more controlled purchase process become impossible for most $20-30,000 machine gun prices = more bump stock like devices are produced and sold than ever before Shootings = Political Theater Bump stock = machine gun Post 86 machine gun = illegal for private ownership Constitutional requirements says the Gov has to give you due compensation to seize the now illegal item = $20-30,000 value item each since it's a machine gun Potential solution = repeal Hughes Amend and remove the NFA tax, allow free registration on form 1 for existing devices and the machine gun sales line for Post 86 guns is now open, allowing the republicans to claim a win and Trump to say he created that improved background check system for the purchase of such devices, all while saying they reclassified bump stocks to make them harder to purchase and improving the odds of catching a non qualified buyer because of the review done on NFA purchases. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2082964/?r=70931054&qte=1#i70931054 |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:14:33 AM EDT
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I love the mental gymnastics you guys are doing to make checkers capitulation look like 4D chess.
"...but what if by losing, we're really winning...?" |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:14:51 AM EDT
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Exactly. Trump says hey, I told them to ban anything that turns guns into machine guns. Bump stocks don't do that per THE ATF definition of a machine gun. Therefore, nothing is banned. Underestimating your adversary is always a serious mistake. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:18:22 AM EDT
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We might all want to keep the Astroglide handy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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His press secretary said he was willing to talk gun control, he sent a memo to the atf about bump stocks, he's meeting with Geraldo and school shooting gun control advocates to discuss gun control. Everybody write your congressman. Lots. Tell them they will lose votes if anybody does any kind of gun control. If it will cost them their seats they won't do it, and sometimes all it takes is a handful of congressmen on the right committees to kill a bill. Tell your Congress critter to kill these bills while they're still just talk. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:18:52 AM EDT
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I love the mental gymnastics you guys are doing to make checkers capitulation look like 4D chess. "...but what if by losing, we're really winning...?"
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:19:40 AM EDT
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I love the mental gymnastics you guys are doing to make checkers capitulation look like 4D chess. "...but what if by losing, we're really winning...?" |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:19:57 AM EDT
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1986 Hughes Amend Passes = all post 86 Machine guns are illegal for private ownership Gun market reacts to Hughes = devices that simulate machine gun like rates of fire while still keeping semi auto For years ATF says bump stock and other devices are legal = thousands of these devices are made and sold Machine gun value continues to climb = machine guns with more controlled purchase process become impossible for most $20-30,000 machine gun prices = more bump stock like devices are produced and sold than ever before Shootings = Political Theater Bump stock = machine gun Post 86 machine gun = illegal for private ownership Constitutional requirements says the Gov has to give you due compensation to seize the now illegal item = $20-30,000 value item each since it's a machine gun Potential solution = repeal Hughes Amend and remove the NFA tax, allow free registration on form 1 for existing devices and the machine gun sales line for Post 86 guns is now open, allowing the republicans to claim a win and Trump to say he created that improved background check system for the purchase of such devices, all while saying they reclassified bump stocks to make them harder to purchase and improving the odds of catching a non qualified buyer because of the review done on NFA purchases. After 50 million newly amnesties firearms are added to the registry, Hughes might as well not exist, and becomes a ban on firearms in "common use". |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:21:05 AM EDT
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You have underestimated the ability of lawyers and judges to twist words. Underestimating your adversary is always a serious mistake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly. Trump says hey, I told them to ban anything that turns guns into machine guns. Bump stocks don't do that per THE ATF definition of a machine gun. Therefore, nothing is banned. Underestimating your adversary is always a serious mistake. Judges have been referencing tweets and statements made by the Predident and Candidate Trump, to inform their rulings on immigration issues. We can say that his statements are 4d Chess, and that in the end, he won’t follow through with regulations or legislation. But stating that an AWB is “not off the table” is a bad thing. I remember when GWB claimed that he would sign and AWB, if it made it to his desk. Many here did not see that as 4d Chess. Quite the opposite. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:22:49 AM EDT
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I love the mental gymnastics you guys are doing to make checkers capitulation look like 4D chess. "...but what if by losing, we're really winning...?" Oh yea and btw, the nyc liberal was spot on in this video. His followers will always find the justification to grovel, no matter what he does or says. No different than the Obama or hillery fanatics imho. https://youtu.be/rMmiLWDpCno |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:26:17 AM EDT
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You have underestimated the ability of lawyers and judges to twist words. Underestimating your adversary is always a serious mistake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly. Trump says hey, I told them to ban anything that turns guns into machine guns. Bump stocks don't do that per THE ATF definition of a machine gun. Therefore, nothing is banned. Underestimating your adversary is always a serious mistake. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:29:28 AM EDT
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I remember when GWB claimed that he would sign and AWB, if it made it to his desk. Many here did not see that as 4d Chess. Quite the opposite. No need for chess, it's a given. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:30:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve honestly been expecting the ATF to come back with a completely different ruling on bump stocks than their previous ones. If DJT goes along with it who in the swamp would challenge the ruling legally? I do know that those who believe it can't happen are engaged in wishful thinking. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:30:50 AM EDT
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I love the mental gymnastics you guys are doing to make checkers capitulation look like 4D chess. "...but what if by losing, we're really winning...?" |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:32:36 AM EDT
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Did the bans happen over night?
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:34:38 AM EDT
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Republicans always think it's too soon. There's always a reason that it's not the right time, always a reason to wait. (lightbulb over head) They don't actually have any intention of passing pro-gun legislation in DC, they just use it as the perpetual carrot to con pro-2A voters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Too soon for that in this climate... I think...  (lightbulb over head) They don't actually have any intention of passing pro-gun legislation in DC, they just use it as the perpetual carrot to con pro-2A voters. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:36:32 AM EDT
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If you think Hughes is going anywhere in this political climate, you are weapons grade retarded. Same with HPA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1986 Hughes Amend Passes = all post 86 Machine guns are illegal for private ownership Gun market reacts to Hughes = devices that simulate machine gun like rates of fire while still keeping semi auto For years ATF says bump stock and other devices are legal = thousands of these devices are made and sold Machine gun value continues to climb = machine guns with more controlled purchase process become impossible for most $20-30,000 machine gun prices = more bump stock like devices are produced and sold than ever before Shootings = Political Theater Bump stock = machine gun Post 86 machine gun = illegal for private ownership Constitutional requirements says the Gov has to give you due compensation to seize the now illegal item = $20-30,000 value item each since it's a machine gun Potential solution = repeal Hughes Amend and remove the NFA tax, allow free registration on form 1 for existing devices and the machine gun sales line for Post 86 guns is now open, allowing the republicans to claim a win and Trump to say he created that improved background check system for the purchase of such devices, all while saying they reclassified bump stocks to make them harder to purchase and improving the odds of catching a non qualified buyer because of the review done on NFA purchases. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:36:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would not surprise me if somehow Trump 4D Chesses National Concealed Carry Reciprocity out of this. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:38:29 AM EDT
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I love the mental gymnastics you guys are doing to make checkers capitulation look like 4D chess. "...but what if by losing, we're really winning...?" Trump was the only republican who could stir up the youth vote. The people who posted memes showing the media saying one thing and then completely contradicting themselves to bash Trump, the people who posted independent news articles about Clinton's corruption while the main stream media was brushing it off and telling people not to read her emails. Cruz was never going to bring those people in. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:38:54 AM EDT
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This. The big problem with "assault weapons" bans is that they have no impact on crime, and the lack of impact leads to the next ban. Ban "assault weapons", nothing changes, liberals cry that we need a different ban. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The media is saying that bump-stocks and upgraded background checks are not enough, they want to ban assault weapons. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:42:05 AM EDT
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We might all want to keep the Astroglide handy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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His press secretary said he was willing to talk gun control, he sent a memo to the atf about bump stocks, he's meeting with Geraldo and school shooting gun control advocates to discuss gun control. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:43:06 AM EDT
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I've been reading reactions here and elsewhere. I'm about fucking sick of seeing and hearing "I'm a second amendment supporter, BUT ________". 'Second amendment supporters' is italicized on purpose and for emphasis. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:43:46 AM EDT
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How many times are you going to post the same exact copy paste? https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2082964/?r=70931054&qte=1#i70931054 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1986 Hughes Amend Passes = all post 86 Machine guns are illegal for private ownership Gun market reacts to Hughes = devices that simulate machine gun like rates of fire while still keeping semi auto For years ATF says bump stock and other devices are legal = thousands of these devices are made and sold Machine gun value continues to climb = machine guns with more controlled purchase process become impossible for most $20-30,000 machine gun prices = more bump stock like devices are produced and sold than ever before Shootings = Political Theater Bump stock = machine gun Post 86 machine gun = illegal for private ownership Constitutional requirements says the Gov has to give you due compensation to seize the now illegal item = $20-30,000 value item each since it's a machine gun Potential solution = repeal Hughes Amend and remove the NFA tax, allow free registration on form 1 for existing devices and the machine gun sales line for Post 86 guns is now open, allowing the republicans to claim a win and Trump to say he created that improved background check system for the purchase of such devices, all while saying they reclassified bump stocks to make them harder to purchase and improving the odds of catching a non qualified buyer because of the review done on NFA purchases. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2082964/?r=70931054&qte=1#i70931054 |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:43:50 AM EDT
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Unless this is some kind of 4D chess where he knows that they have already been reviewed and cannot be classified as MGs then I am seriously disappointed. Angry even.
This is not how to MAGA. Not one more inch! |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:44:24 AM EDT
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Exactly. Trump says hey, I told them to ban anything that turns guns into machine guns. Bump stocks don't do that per THE ATF definition of a machine gun. Therefore, nothing is banned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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(Quoting myself from earlier....) Trump said (verbatim): "I directed Attorney General to clarify whether certain bumpstock devices like the one used in Las Vegas are illegal under current law Bumpstocks are not illegal under current law. They fire one round per function of the trigger. Furthermore... "...I signed a memorandum directing Attorney General to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns." Meaning.... Abso-FUCK'N-lutely NOTHING!!!!!! Devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns ARE already illegal. Trump says hey, I told them to ban anything that turns guns into machine guns. Bump stocks don't do that per THE ATF definition of a machine gun. Therefore, nothing is banned. Look at the Massachusetts Attorney General and how she reinterpreted the Massachusetts assault weapons ban. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:45:04 AM EDT
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I love the mental gymnastics you guys are doing to make checkers capitulation look like 4D chess. "...but what if by losing, we're really winning...?" |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:47:06 AM EDT
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You have underestimated the ability of lawyers and judges to twist words. Underestimating your adversary is always a serious mistake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly. Trump says hey, I told them to ban anything that turns guns into machine guns. Bump stocks don't do that per THE ATF definition of a machine gun. Therefore, nothing is banned. Underestimating your adversary is always a serious mistake. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:50:33 AM EDT
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Bills go through Congress. He can talk and suggest but congress has to write and pass. Everybody write your congressman. Lots. Tell them they will lose votes if anybody does any kind of gun control. If it will cost them their seats they won't do it, and sometimes all it takes is a handful of congressmen on the right committees to kill a bill. Tell your Congress critter to kill these bills while they're still just talk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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His press secretary said he was willing to talk gun control, he sent a memo to the atf about bump stocks, he's meeting with Geraldo and school shooting gun control advocates to discuss gun control. Everybody write your congressman. Lots. Tell them they will lose votes if anybody does any kind of gun control. If it will cost them their seats they won't do it, and sometimes all it takes is a handful of congressmen on the right committees to kill a bill. Tell your Congress critter to kill these bills while they're still just talk. Every level of my voice in government except for the executive branch in both the state and federal level is a gun control backing shit stain. The Governor and President happen to be keep the status quo guys. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:51:22 AM EDT
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No repeal needed. Jeff Sessions as AG can declare 90 day NFA amnesties whenever he wants. After 50 million newly amnesties firearms are added to the registry, Hughes might as well not exist, and becomes a ban on firearms in "common use". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1986 Hughes Amend Passes = all post 86 Machine guns are illegal for private ownership Gun market reacts to Hughes = devices that simulate machine gun like rates of fire while still keeping semi auto For years ATF says bump stock and other devices are legal = thousands of these devices are made and sold Machine gun value continues to climb = machine guns with more controlled purchase process become impossible for most $20-30,000 machine gun prices = more bump stock like devices are produced and sold than ever before Shootings = Political Theater Bump stock = machine gun Post 86 machine gun = illegal for private ownership Constitutional requirements says the Gov has to give you due compensation to seize the now illegal item = $20-30,000 value item each since it's a machine gun Potential solution = repeal Hughes Amend and remove the NFA tax, allow free registration on form 1 for existing devices and the machine gun sales line for Post 86 guns is now open, allowing the republicans to claim a win and Trump to say he created that improved background check system for the purchase of such devices, all while saying they reclassified bump stocks to make them harder to purchase and improving the odds of catching a non qualified buyer because of the review done on NFA purchases. After 50 million newly amnesties firearms are added to the registry, Hughes might as well not exist, and becomes a ban on firearms in "common use". |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:52:21 AM EDT
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(Quoting myself from earlier....) Trump said (verbatim): "I directed Attorney General to clarify whether certain bumpstock devices like the one used in Las Vegas are illegal under current law Bumpstocks are not illegal under current law. They fire one round per function of the trigger. Furthermore... "...I signed a memorandum directing Attorney General to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns." Meaning.... Abso-FUCK'N-lutely NOTHING!!!!!! Devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns ARE already illegal. To come out and say that 'an AWB is on the table' is not very 5-D chess / MAGAMAGA bigly. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:53:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:56:30 AM EDT
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You just don't understand real estate works. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:58:10 AM EDT
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Hughes Amendment says you're wrong. Its a retarded proposition anyway. As I said, Hughes ain't going anywhere. NADA, nope, not gonna happen. Its a pipe dream. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:58:23 AM EDT
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Hughes Amendment says you're wrong. > "Machine guns aren't protected by the 2A because they're not in common use!" > Machine guns (more or less) banned from civilian ownership, ergo can't be in common use because of the ban. Not protected because they're banned. Banned because they're not protected.
Gun control begets itself from time to time. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:58:29 AM EDT
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Penalty is spelled T A X |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:58:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a retarded proposition anyway. As I said, Hughes ain't going anywhere. NADA, nope, not gonna happen. Its a pipe dream. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:59:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was one of Trump's biggest cheerleaders. Trump sold us out, now we just have to wait and see how bad. I still think he is the best republican who could overcome the media and get in office. If we nominated Cruz Trump was the only republican who could stir up the youth vote. The people who posted memes showing the media saying one thing and then completely contradicting themselves to bash Trump, the people who posted independent news articles about Clinton's corruption while the main stream media was brushing it off and telling people not to read her emails. Cruz was never going to bring those people in. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:00:52 AM EDT
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Anyone who thinks / thought that Trumpf would not throw gun rights under the Bus to build his Wall has very little political perception ..
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:03:07 AM EDT
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The Hughes Amendment thing is amusing to me: > "Machine guns aren't protected by the 2A because they're not in common use!" > Machine guns (more or less) banned from civilian ownership, ergo can't be in common use because of the ban. Not protected because they're banned. Banned because they're not protected.
Gun control begets itself from time to time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hughes Amendment says you're wrong. > "Machine guns aren't protected by the 2A because they're not in common use!" > Machine guns (more or less) banned from civilian ownership, ergo can't be in common use because of the ban. Not protected because they're banned. Banned because they're not protected.
Gun control begets itself from time to time. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:07:40 AM EDT
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Quote Historylol you think that reflects reality?
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:10:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: THIS. So much THIS. P.S. can anyone remind me what that thing about the Hillary campaign and the FBI was again? Oh nevermind, that's old news now. The important thing is that the NRA is the root of all evil in America. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:10:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNBC News 
Where's Brian Williams? Is he setting model rocket motors under pickup trucks? |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:10:49 AM EDT
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Did the bans happen over night? 
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