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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:50:08 PM EDT
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He did? I didn’t realize a bill had been passed and signed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Chuck Schumer shut the government down because of DACA. He had liberal activists and open boarder agitators protesting outside his house. What does Trump do three days later? Gives Schumer 90% of what he wanted BRILLIANT!!!!  |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:50:26 PM EDT
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You guys know chain migration isn't going anywhere and neither is the visa lottery? They simply "cant" end chain migration unless the INA gets changed and the plan is already to end the "lottery" and just have the diversity visa absorb those #'s.. Change the fucking law..........chain migration is the biggest component of this stuff. One million allowed citizenship can turn into ten fucking million becoming citizens in fairly short order for god's sake. If they don't do that this will have been a failure IMHO. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:50:35 PM EDT
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The dreamers, their children, their grandchildren and 95% of every other illegal will reliably vote democrat long enough to guarantee that our choices 10 or 15 years from now will be between a Bernie type moderate, a Hillary type right winger and a Chavez type. Lindsay Graham will be the Ron Paul of that world. If we give any illegals the vote we are fucked. There is no master plan that will overcome that fact. 800,000 becomes 1.8 million which will turn into 3.6 million which will morph into 30 million. 30-60 million illegals are popping out instant leftist anchor babies by the millions by 2024 all the genetic leftist anchor babies aged 11-17 will be voting, they will permanently give the leftists control of the FED and most STATE governments the only hope was mass deportations (self and forced) and them taking the anchors with them half the population are leftists the DNC and the GOPe (majority of rep politicians) are corrupt and owned by the same pay masters PDJT is our man but he can't do it alone with his superior negotiating skills he'll get somethings done but not what we need to save the Republic the swamp is so deep and so vast a Q type scenerio was the only hope for making the changes needed within the next 7 years i thank God for PDJT, at least we have 7 years to continue preparing for what's coming stack it deep, build multiple caches, and train |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:50:52 PM EDT
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Yes. He did It's up to Schumer if he wants to take it |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:52:01 PM EDT
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Then you explain it. Every aspect of the deal is bad. More than double the DACA number are made legal. AND they are given a "path to citizenship." Chain migration continues for decades. Money for the Wall will vanish with the next Administration or with a Democrat Congress. From there, where do you go? Right now, the President has the power to deport them. He has the power to reinforce the border. He can end chain migration and the lottery. But he chooses not to... |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:52:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I want to buy a car from a used car dealer who is asking $20,000... ...it might be wise for me to first offer him, say... $40,000 for the car? |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:53:03 PM EDT
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They will not vote Republican, but we can only hope they stay in California or Texas. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:53:32 PM EDT
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What is involved in a handjob worth 5k? Better be a damn fine handjob administered by the best. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:54:19 PM EDT
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I wasn't a Trump fan, but voted for him...damn, winning never gets old if it enables the destruction of the democRAT party platform. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:01:56 PM EDT
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Then you explain it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:13:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are supposedly 800,000 DACA kids. Why are we offering it to 1.8 million ETA: If it were truly genius, DACA "kids" wouldn't get anything until the wall is built. Yep get the wall built then DACA the "kids" after they are thoroughly vetted and the door closed for anymore. Scour the country and deport Reboot Ellis Island and put stringent filters in place |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:15:50 PM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/manageReply.html?a=squote&b=1&f=5&t=2075028&tl=Trump-s-DACA-deal-is-genius&r=70469513&page=1# Yep get the wall built then DACA the "kids" after they are thoroughly vetted and the door closed for anymore. Scour the country and deport Reboot Ellis Island and put stringent filters in place Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There are supposedly 800,000 DACA kids. Why are we offering it to 1.8 million ETA: If it were truly genius, DACA "kids" wouldn't get anything until the wall is built. Yep get the wall built then DACA the "kids" after they are thoroughly vetted and the door closed for anymore. Scour the country and deport Reboot Ellis Island and put stringent filters in place We can all have ideas on how DACA and Dreamers SHOULD be handled, but we are stuck with Trump's proposals |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:36:06 PM EDT
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Chuck Schumer shut the government down because of DACA. He had liberal activists and open boarder agitators protesting outside his house. What does Trump do three days later? Gives Schumer 90% of what he wanted BRILLIANT!!!! |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:38:39 PM EDT
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Easy there turbo. It’s Trumps first offer. They aren’t going to take it. This shit is all a game. No one is taking any deal when they still have two weeks left. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Chuck Schumer shut the government down because of DACA. He had liberal activists and open boarder agitators protesting outside his house. What does Trump do three days later? Gives Schumer 90% of what he wanted BRILLIANT!!!! 
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:39:33 PM EDT
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You guys know chain migration isn't going anywhere and neither is the visa lottery? They simply "cant" end chain migration unless the INA gets changed and the plan is already to end the "lottery" and just have the diversity visa absorb those #'s.. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:40:58 PM EDT
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Why can't they end chain immigration? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys know chain migration isn't going anywhere and neither is the visa lottery? They simply "cant" end chain migration unless the INA gets changed and the plan is already to end the "lottery" and just have the diversity visa absorb those #'s.. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:43:28 PM EDT
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I wish Sydney and Cincinnatus would shut the heck up.........because now they have me fucking worried!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Chuck Schumer shut the government down because of DACA. He had liberal activists and open boarder agitators protesting outside his house. What does Trump do three days later? Gives Schumer 90% of what he wanted BRILLIANT!!!! |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:45:28 PM EDT
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Just think about everything he is doing on the economy, draining the swamp, going after sanctuary cities, putting America first, etc. He has our best interest in mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Chuck Schumer shut the government down because of DACA. He had liberal activists and open boarder agitators protesting outside his house. What does Trump do three days later? Gives Schumer 90% of what he wanted BRILLIANT!!!! |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:46:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just think about everything he is doing on the economy, draining the swamp, going after sanctuary cities, putting America first, etc. He has our best interest in mind. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:50:40 PM EDT
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Path way to citizenship (details of requirements not public knowledge yet) Is not the same as being offered citizenship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Fuck them, they should be deported. If the republicans can score political points going into the midterms, even better. 7 more years. Sure, deporting them all is a logistical and political nightmare, but that doesn't mean they should be offered citizenship. Is not the same as being offered citizenship. Amnesty is Amnesty. Once upon a time, we all thought it was s bad idea. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:52:35 PM EDT
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They will not vote Republican, but we can only hope they stay in California or Texas. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:53:07 PM EDT
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Reported. Personal attack. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lemmings who blindly follow their dear leader are even funnier on a Saturday morning because........TRUMP |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:53:07 PM EDT
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Oh my God this place is retarded. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:54:41 PM EDT
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Why? Am I wrong? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then you explain it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:55:38 PM EDT
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Sure it is. It will be liberally interpreted, and you know it. Amnesty is Amnesty. Once upon a time, we all thought it was s bad idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:56:09 PM EDT
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The only problem is history. Historically the amnesty reciepients vote dem. See 1980s amnesty for the most recent example. Eta: and it wont be the 800k or 1.8 million either. It will be 5x that many at least, and Trump's base knows that. So this could a miscalculated move imo. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There you again assuming you know what a pathway to citizenship means. Trump briefly mentioned it in passing, and it certainly wasn't amnesty. You know how this works |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 1:59:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:01:43 PM EDT
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If they accept the deal they win.
Wall won't be built right away. Chain migration doesn't end until 2030 - D's will reverse it by then. DACA recipients get to bring in their families & the parents that brought them here illegally are also getting amnesty. Trump is making the same mistake Reagan made - amnesty. We control everything - there is no reason to compromise at all. The wall should have been done under reconciliation, as should the entire budget. If the D's somehow manage to win the House in 2018, then and only then do we have to negotiate with them or give them something that they want. If we do decide to throw D's a bone it should be nothing more than DACA made legal (they keep temporary resident status that they have to reapply for every couple of years) in exchange for everything we want. Hopefully House R's block this entire nonsensical bill. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:02:27 PM EDT
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There you again assuming you know what a pathway to citizenship means. Trump briefly mentioned it in passing, and it certainly wasn't amnesty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:03:13 PM EDT
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I meant about you not being stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:05:01 PM EDT
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The pathway to citizenship will mean whatever the current congress and some activist judges say it means You know how this works Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There you again assuming you know what a pathway to citizenship means. Trump briefly mentioned it in passing, and it certainly wasn't amnesty. You know how this works |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:07:47 PM EDT
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It sure is Amnesty. By every definition of the word "Amnesty," it is Amnesty. They are here illegally. Are they going to jail? No? Deported? No? Given legal status? Allowed to chain migrate their family? Yep. How is that NOT Amnesty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:07:52 PM EDT
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I think his best bet is a compromise. we offer to give those 800,000 people citizenship... that gets a shitload of pressure coming from the left, and illegals on democrats to pass it... in return, trump demands wall funding, merit based immigration, and hell, voter ID and whatever else he can cram into it.. all the left will hear is democrats are refusing to pass legislation / blocking daca citizenship. I damn sure hope ANY kind of citizenship legislation gets a LOT of shit in return... vs the dumbass republicans usual bullshit of give it away free with nothing in return. I'm not a fan of making them citizens myself, but it would be worth doing were we to get wall funding, voter id, and merit based immigration.. when they start talking about making more illegals legal.. start attaching pro gun shit to it, etc.. And why should it be citizenship? DACA (deferred action) was unconstitutional because it was done by EO, not by Congress. The only thing that should be on the table is running a DACA (deferred action) bill through Congress the right way - and only if we get everything we want. That's the compromise - they can stay for now as long as they don't commit any crimes, nothing more. Or they should make it a condition of DACA that if they want to participate in the program then the parents that brought them here illegally must turn themselves in at the time of the application & they must waive their deportation hearing... |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:08:18 PM EDT
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Wow, I didn't know they could get citizenship any way they want. Why aren't all the illegals using the process now to gain citizenship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:09:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amnesty is everyone is granted citizenship with no requirements. Pathway is they must meet certain requirements. What if the requirements are only obtainable for a small percentage. Can you see the difference? If we have no will to remove them now, then why would we then? |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:10:28 PM EDT
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If they accept the deal they win. Wall won't be built right away. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: companies that built samples for it say they can start on the wall in months if the contract is let.... |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:12:40 PM EDT
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The ultimate victory is if Trump can turn those daca people into republican votes. Think about it. Who is to say they have to be democrats.
Give them a path to citizenship. Make them register and be clean- no felons Make them pay all thier own healthcare No welfare for them until they are citizens They have to pass basic US history exam They have to pass basic english exam They have to have a job for 4 years out of 5 No free shit. The extra tax they pay is for education, and the wall. The dreams dont get full citizenship until the wall is built. Make them earn the citizenship. Reform immigration. Reform immigration under our terms and not the Ds. It will be a D issue that shuts the door on the dreamers. Change the tiitle of the dreamers into Doers. No freeloaders |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:14:45 PM EDT
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Amnesty is everyone is granted citizenship with no requirements. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:15:08 PM EDT
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The ultimate victory is if Trump can turn those daca people into republican votes. Think about it. Who is to say they have to be democrats. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:16:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amnesty is everyone is granted citizenship with no requirements. Pathway is they must meet certain requirements. What if the requirements are only obtainable for a small percentage. Can you see the difference? |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:17:52 PM EDT
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Yes, that would be the case for now, but what he's saying is that once Dems regain control, the requirements that Trump put in place would be changed to something much more easily attainable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Amnesty is everyone is granted citizenship with no requirements. Pathway is they must meet certain requirements. What if the requirements are only obtainable for a small percentage. Can you see the difference? How about we just NOT give them Amnesty? Once upon a time that was a good idea. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:20:09 PM EDT
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Yes, that would be the case for now, but what he's saying is that once Dems regain control, the requirements that Trump put in place would be changed to something much more easily attainable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:22:01 PM EDT
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The ultimate victory is if Trump can turn those daca people into republican votes. Think about it. Who is to say they have to be democrats. 
wake up, 3rd world trash are genetic leftists (latin and asia) 95% will vote leftist for life and 95% of their children and so on and so on how the fuck is this not common knowledge |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:22:29 PM EDT
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They had the opportunity, but didn't touch immigration. Now we assume it will happen. All conjecture, just like this entire thread. Ink isn't even on paper yet. But we assume we know the end result. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:22:30 PM EDT
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Reported. Lame 
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:25:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:25:35 PM EDT
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The hard part will already be over. The Republicans will have already given them amnesty They'll just smooth out the rough edges What if trump knew they would decline his proposal all along, and this was his plan to make them look ridiculous. When the dems finally figure out they’ve been played again and want to deal, Trump will be negotiating from an even stronger position. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 2:28:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have the "Lame Button"?
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