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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:19:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:05:03 PM EDT
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lol
Searched for "informant" . 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:05:46 PM EDT
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in for the hidden gems.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:13:53 PM EDT
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Link to original thread?
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:14:27 PM EDT
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I'm terribly out of the loop on this particular suit. Is it possible to get a TL;DR or a link to a thread outlining what this is about?
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:15:11 PM EDT
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I'm terribly out of the loop on this particular suit. Is it possible to get a TL;DR or a link to a thread outlining what this is about? |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:18:19 PM EDT
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Is this Savage Firearms vs. ATF or someone with the last name of Savage?
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:22:01 PM EDT
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Is this Savage Firearms vs. ATF or someone with the last name of Savage? 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:25:58 PM EDT
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NoloContendere, doing God's work against Evil!
How do you recommend someone for Sainthood? |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:27:12 PM EDT
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NoloContendere, doing God's work against Evil! How do you recommend someone for Sainthood? |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:30:24 PM EDT
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OST
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:33:54 PM EDT
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I'm terribly out of the loop on this particular suit. Is it possible to get a TL;DR or a link to a thread outlining what this is about? |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:36:07 PM EDT
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Len savage. Historic arms. Not savage firearms though Len does make his own firearms. This was precipitated by the atf trust rules. From what I understand there is a SHITLOAD more documents to be had. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this Savage Firearms vs. ATF or someone with the last name of Savage? what's the whole thing about? Give me some background here nolo (please) |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:36:12 PM EDT
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As a result of the increased use of trusts or legal entities to acquire NFA firearms the
number of qualifying firearms being acquired without a background check has greatly increased. A primary objective of the Final Rule is to ensure that prohibited individuals are not
able to use trusts and other legal entities to illegally acquire NFA firearms. For example, ATF encountered a situation in which a trustee of a trust applicant was determined to be prohibited from possessing a firearm. Although ATF denied the transfer, if the trust name had been different from that of the prohibited transferee or a different firearm was being transferred, ATF would not have had the information to deduce that the trust included the prohibited transferee and the transfer would have been approved. It's not like their being on the trust magically makes it ok for them to possess the firearm if they're a prohibited person. Seems like alot of angst over shit they really don't and never did have control of. Q: Is this rule a solution in search of a problem? Can ATF identify any crimes that
were committed by responsible persons of trusts or legal entities? A: Although most individuals who apply to remake or acquire an NFA firearm are not prohibited from possessing or receiving firearms, there have been a significant number of instances in which prohibited persons have submitted NFA applications. From 2010 to 2014 there were approximately 270 NFA applications by individuals, out of 115,842 applications, that were disapproved due to background check denials. The NFA Branch also tracked the number of applications received from trusts and legal entities during the same period. The Department believes that the disapprovals would have been higher if background checks would have been conducted on responsible persons associated with the 217,996 applications received from trusts or legal entities during this time, as the FBI’s denial rate on NICS background checks between November 30, 1998 and December 31, 2014, is approximately 1.24%. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:48:25 PM EDT
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Downloaded and in. Thanks Nolo.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to die first. Just FYI, I don't have any information on Hillary. Yet. But it's coming. FYI: my wife is a paralegal and she got a great laugh about the above. UDAMAN. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:51:22 PM EDT
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Pizza does not come in this batch. But still a good read
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:56:27 PM EDT
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I have to die first. Just FYI, I don't have any information on Hillary. Yet. But it's coming. 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:14:09 PM EDT
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I heart you Nolo. No homo.
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Posted: 10/21/2017 7:53:25 AM EDT
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Page 82 was interesting reading....Circa 2012 from what I can tell. The link appears to be a communique sent to ATF or NFATCA membership addressing what must have happened @ SHOTSHOW in 2012 To quote it:
NFATCA response to SHOT (and allegations that J. Brown is an informant) below. http://www.nfatca.org/012512.htm The link in the document was still on their server as of yesterday....I don't look for it to last long. (it has been saved for posterities sake as pdf should it disappear) ------------------------------------------- This is a page or two prior From: John Brown To: Ficaretta, Teresa Subject: RE: FTB Date: Friday, January 27, 2012 10:37:48 AM Teresa, (redacted) would be fine as long as he is making a contribution to what we are trying to do. I think a webcast might work but it has to be spot on for helping both of us. The tin foil hat boys are not helping either one of us out at this point and the accusation that I am a CI is reverberating through the industry like nothing I have ever seen before. I have enjoyed doing what I have been able to accomplish over the last seven years but when stands in front of a crowd and says " we don't have any interest in input from the industry", people look at me and the NFATCA and say we are a complete failure. You and I both know better but the tin foil hats prevail. We have a lot to talk about. John ---------------------------------------------- Some points and why these documents are important. John Brown was involved in the Federal case US v. Clark et al. (The case about changing MAC MG's to 1919 MG's) John Brown was the only FFL who sold multiple's of these firearms that did not get charged. He was President of the NFATCA at the time. He was described by ATF at that trial as a "Confidential Source". This is documented fact in the transcripts of the trial. The difference between a "Confidential Source" and a "Confidential Informant" is that the Confidential Informant is paid. There is a legal distinction between the two. Mr. Brown was approached @ ShotShow over his involvement. NFATCA lobbied ATF for 41P and other rule making....In fact there are emails indicating they petitioned for rulemaking on ammo then removed their petition. Folks who make backroom deals that effect our industry (and hobby) should be scrutinized. These communications should have been public from day one and I should not have had to sue the ATF to find out what some group I don't belong to is claiming to do on my behalf..... Oh and now former ATF Chief counsel Teresa Ficaretta no longer works for ATF and writes article in Small Arms Review.....Small World. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 8:01:46 AM EDT
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I have to die first. Just FYI, I don't have any information on Hillary. Yet. But it's coming. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NoloContendere, doing God's work against Evil! How do you recommend someone for Sainthood? 
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Posted: 10/21/2017 8:09:41 AM EDT
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Page 82 was interesting reading....Circa 2012 from what I can tell. The link appears to be a communique sent to ATF or NFATCA membership addressing what must have happened @ SHOTSHOW in 2012 To quote it: NFATCA response to SHOT (and allegations that J. Brown is an informant) below. http://www.nfatca.org/012512.htm The link in the document was still on their server as of yesterday....I don't look for it to last long. (it has been saved for posterities sake as pdf should it disappear) ------------------------------------------- This is a page or two prior From: John Brown To: Ficaretta, Teresa Subject: RE: FTB Date: Friday, January 27, 2012 10:37:48 AM Teresa, (redacted) would be fine as long as he is making a contribution to what we are trying to do. I think a webcast might work but it has to be spot on for helping both of us. The tin foil hat boys are not helping either one of us out at this point and the accusation that I am a CI is reverberating through the industry like nothing I have ever seen before. I have enjoyed doing what I have been able to accomplish over the last seven years but when stands in front of a crowd and says " we don't have any interest in input from the industry", people look at me and the NFATCA and say we are a complete failure. You and I both know better but the tin foil hats prevail. We have a lot to talk about. John ---------------------------------------------- Some points and why these documents are important. John Brown was involved in the Federal case US v. Clark et al. (The case about changing MAC MG's to 1919 MG's) John Brown was the only FFL who sold multiple's of these firearms that did not get charged. He was President of the NFATCA at the time. He was described by ATF at that trial as a "Confidential Source". This is documented fact in the transcripts of the trial. The difference between a "Confidential Source" and a "Confidential Informant" is that the Confidential Informant is paid. There is a legal distinction between the two. Mr. Brown was approached @ ShotShow over his involvement. NFATCA lobbied ATF for 41P and other rule making....In fact there are emails indicating they petitioned for rulemaking on ammo then removed their petition. Folks who make backroom deals that effect our industry (and hobby) should be scrutinized. These communications should have been public from day one and I should not have had to sue the ATF to find out what some group I don't belong to is claiming to do on my behalf..... Oh and now former ATF Chief counsel Teresa Ficaretta no longer works for ATF and writes article in Small Arms Review.....Small World. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 9:09:01 AM EDT
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Page 82 was interesting reading....Circa 2012 from what I can tell. The link appears to be a communique sent to ATF or NFATCA membership addressing what must have happened @ SHOTSHOW in 2012 To quote it: NFATCA response to SHOT (and allegations that J. Brown is an informant) below. http://www.nfatca.org/012512.htm The link in the document was still on their server as of yesterday....I don't look for it to last long. (it has been saved for posterities sake as pdf should it disappear) ------------------------------------------- This is a page or two prior From: John Brown To: Ficaretta, Teresa Subject: RE: FTB Date: Friday, January 27, 2012 10:37:48 AM Teresa, (redacted) would be fine as long as he is making a contribution to what we are trying to do. I think a webcast might work but it has to be spot on for helping both of us. The tin foil hat boys are not helping either one of us out at this point and the accusation that I am a CI is reverberating through the industry like nothing I have ever seen before. I have enjoyed doing what I have been able to accomplish over the last seven years but when stands in front of a crowd and says " we don't have any interest in input from the industry", people look at me and the NFATCA and say we are a complete failure. You and I both know better but the tin foil hats prevail. We have a lot to talk about. John ---------------------------------------------- Some points and why these documents are important. John Brown was involved in the Federal case US v. Clark et al. (The case about changing MAC MG's to 1919 MG's) John Brown was the only FFL who sold multiple's of these firearms that did not get charged. He was President of the NFATCA at the time. He was described by ATF at that trial as a "Confidential Source". This is documented fact in the transcripts of the trial. The difference between a "Confidential Source" and a "Confidential Informant" is that the Confidential Informant is paid. There is a legal distinction between the two. Mr. Brown was approached @ ShotShow over his involvement. NFATCA lobbied ATF for 41P and other rule making....In fact there are emails indicating they petitioned for rulemaking on ammo then removed their petition. Folks who make backroom deals that effect our industry (and hobby) should be scrutinized. These communications should have been public from day one and I should not have had to sue the ATF to find out what some group I don't belong to is claiming to do on my behalf..... Oh and now former ATF Chief counsel Teresa Ficaretta no longer works for ATF and writes article in Small Arms Review.....Small World. I believe he is one of the folks pushing the Anti-NFA view in NRA. Much like Marion Hammer. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 9:31:32 AM EDT
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John Brown is also on the NRA BoD and was nominated by the Board and not via petition. I believe he is one of the folks pushing the Anti-NFA view in NRA. Much like Marion Hammer. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 9:32:37 AM EDT
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John brown is not on the board but was nominated by nominating committtee. He didn't get enough votes. I think it was 2016? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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John Brown is also on the NRA BoD and was nominated by the Board and not via petition. I believe he is one of the folks pushing the Anti-NFA view in NRA. Much like Marion Hammer. |
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