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Posted: 10/20/2017 3:25:06 AM EDT
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Man, I wish we culd be as free as Germans.
Let's get the gubmint on it. Build it, then maybe some mass public transit, because it's 2000+17, duh. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 3:41:04 AM EDT
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Because of two things: 1. A large portion of the racing supporters in this country support drag races, which is straight line and all power. 2. A large portion of racing supporters in this country are perfectly content to watch grown men in neutered cars drive in a fucking circle for 500 laps. Things like F1/Indy/rally/autocross/offroad racing just aren't as popular here. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 3:43:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2017 3:50:39 AM EDT
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but we have the Salt Flats so bite me Germany.  |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 6:00:07 AM EDT
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We have mid Ohio here..
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Posted: 10/20/2017 6:53:02 AM EDT
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The Nürburgring? http://24.media.tumblr.com/6dbf3eea8285affd1f02bfd1211f9b8c/tumblr_mkbv83jdyH1rqs4jfo4_250.gif Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://i.imgur.com/A6vgJbH.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/6dbf3eea8285affd1f02bfd1211f9b8c/tumblr_mkbv83jdyH1rqs4jfo4_250.gif If you really want to make it a game James would enjoy: 1) must do pre-flight checks 2) must sit through a 30 minute safety lecture 3) must sit through a tedious taxi/takeoff series 4) must just drop one bomb that you must aim, but still goes off-course and hits a church |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 7:11:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2017 7:46:33 AM EDT
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Two reasons. Hard to build grandstands all the way around it and right hand turns.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:45:43 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a rumor that Bruton Smith was looking into building something similar?
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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:56:19 AM EDT
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Because of two things: 1. A large portion of the racing supporters in this country support drag races, which is straight line and all power. 2. A large portion of racing supporters in this country are perfectly content to watch grown men in neutered cars drive in a fucking circle for 500 laps. Things like F1/Indy/rally/autocross/offroad racing just aren't as popular here. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:56:36 AM EDT
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Germans by and large love order and have very strict driver education. Cars and fuel and driving in general is expensive. When the rules say things like "keep right except to pass", they do. therefore they can have nice things. Like cars that are capable of cornering.
can you imagine a ring here in the us, with every tom dick and harry that cant drive for shit and their Dodge hemi whateverthefuck - people would die daily. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:59:30 AM EDT
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After the first 3 deaths of people putting hacked up shit into Armco,the bed wetters would start screaming about the public menace. It's the same reason why Americans would never allow real roads racing and no,Pikes Peak is NOT the same.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:01:43 AM EDT
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If only it was as simple as saying drive at own risk on the enterence, few simple rules like pass only when given point by, and had lights at corners to signal a crash ahead etc. Pay your $50 make 3 laps, and check out.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:03:17 AM EDT
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but we have the Salt Flats so bite me Germany. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:05:42 AM EDT
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Germans by and large love order and have very strict driver education. Cars and fuel and driving in general is expensive. When the rules say things like "keep right except to pass", they do. therefore they can have nice things. Like cars that are capable of cornering. can you imagine a ring here in the us, with every tom dick and harry that cant drive for shit and their Dodge hemi whateverthefuck - people would die daily. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:06:37 AM EDT
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I never understood why rally racing wasn't bigger in this country
whats more fun than flying down narrow roads trying not to die?
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:07:38 AM EDT
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We have some great tracks here though, just not the Scale of the Ring. Road Atlanta Willow Springs Sears Point Barber Motorsports (drove here) Laguna Seca etc. etc. VIR in Virginia, same deal |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:08:01 AM EDT
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Also I would love to drive the ring, I've wanted to do it since I was a kid and raced it in Gran Turismo
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:11:55 AM EDT
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That's a hell of a road. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:12:59 AM EDT
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I never understood why rally racing wasn't bigger in this country whats more fun than flying down narrow roads trying not to die? Hauling ass over terrain that would kill a rally car. 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:15:16 AM EDT
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We have some great tracks here though, just not the Scale of the Ring. Road Atlanta Willow Springs Sears Point Barber Motorsports (drove here) Laguna Seca etc. etc. AMP NCM Lime Rock Park Palm Beach NOLA Sebring Sonoma Yeah, too bad we are short on places to race... 
That being said I'm always in favor of more, newer, bigger facilities opening up. But they have to be viable from a business perspective. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:19:24 AM EDT
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When I inevitably win the next massive PowerBall lottery, I will build the Texasring in the Texas hill country with its natural elevation changes. It will be 87 miles long with with good pavement and plenty of run-off room. And it will have nice, long main straight for top-end exploration.
This is my commitment you you fine gentlemen. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:22:38 AM EDT
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No Nurburgring? Because ..............
 And racing in general is .........
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:27:12 AM EDT
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Well given that most posted speed limits are 5 to 10 UNDER the max limit within a certain distance to mountains because of smog and ruining the "view" that probably why we don't have a big super race track and autoban.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:40:47 AM EDT
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Lime Rock, clubs can rent the track. It is beautiful up there. VIR in Virginia, same deal We can't have nice things because of lawyers and stupid people. Someone would file a lawsuit saying a public track could hit a school buss if it accidentally found its way onto the track No where no time never will you be allowed in the US to go to Avis and rent a mustang and drive it to hillbillyringschlef and pay $20 and tear around for 8 miles and then exit Not going to happen |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:46:00 AM EDT
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_State_Classic_Challenge
So much speed, so few rules. Pure badass. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:10:14 AM EDT
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We have The Corkscrew.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Third post nailed it. Lawsuits, lawyers, and ninnies who cant drive as it is. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:20:24 AM EDT
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We have plenty of great tracks in the U.S.. Almost all of them are open to amateurs to drive at sponsored events. The cost of building, maintaining and running a very large venue like the Ring is prohibitive. Ask the owners of the Nurburgring. ETA Looks like it isn't anymore |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:25:27 AM EDT
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Would be sued into oblivion with the first accident.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:29:31 AM EDT
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It's my understanding that the 'ring is a public toll road. ETA Looks like it isn't anymore |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:32:26 AM EDT
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Because Nascar bitches
Do you even left turn bro? |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:33:37 AM EDT
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Because of two things: 1. A large portion of the racing supporters in this country support drag races, which is straight line and all power. 2. A large portion of racing supporters in this country are perfectly content to watch grown men in neutered cars drive in a fucking circle for 500 laps. Things like F1/Indy/rally/autocross/offroad racing just aren't as popular here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why don't we have a Nurburgring equivalent? We have so much land, including mountainous terrain etc. And there's certainly a strong support of racing in this country. Because of two things: 1. A large portion of the racing supporters in this country support drag races, which is straight line and all power. 2. A large portion of racing supporters in this country are perfectly content to watch grown men in neutered cars drive in a fucking circle for 500 laps. Things like F1/Indy/rally/autocross/offroad racing just aren't as popular here. Leftists also hate cars here, which oddly overseas, they love cars. It's in their culture. Take a nice super car down any busy street in someplace like Oregon and watch all the snarls from soccer moms, but do the same thing overseas and they literally put their kids in the van to run out and snap pictures with their big ass cameras stashed away for such an encounter. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:34:52 AM EDT
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The same reason we have no Autobahn.
Americans would have too much dangerous, life threatening fun. Besides, one of my bucket list items is to spend a day there and write my name on the track... 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:37:52 AM EDT
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Tail of the Dragon (US129- NC/GA boarder,) is a fun drive *if* you hit it at the right time. It's a mecca in the S.E. for people that like twisty roads but it is a dangerous piece of road because morons.
Tail of the Dragon |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:38:12 AM EDT
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COTA AMP NCM Lime Rock Park Palm Beach NOLA Sebring Sonoma Yeah, too bad we are short on places to race...
That being said I'm always in favor of more, newer, bigger facilities opening up. But they have to be viable from a business perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have some great tracks here though, just not the Scale of the Ring. Road Atlanta Willow Springs Sears Point Barber Motorsports (drove here) Laguna Seca etc. etc. AMP NCM Lime Rock Park Palm Beach NOLA Sebring Sonoma Yeah, too bad we are short on places to race...
That being said I'm always in favor of more, newer, bigger facilities opening up. But they have to be viable from a business perspective. You can't, even with a dedicated track car. Quoted:
No Nurburgring? Because .............. And racing in general is ......... |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:41:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDo they let people out there with sidewalk chalk?
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:43:49 AM EDT
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You ever just jump in your car and ask if you could take a couple laps? You can't, even with a dedicated track car. Found one! Everyone thinks that they are highly skilled drivers - until its time to do highly skilled driver sh*t. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:48:37 AM EDT
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but we have the Salt Flats so bite me Germany. 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:48:46 AM EDT
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Lord knows I love me some 'ring, but we do have a ton of good tracks in the good 'ol U.S. of fekking A!
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:50:59 AM EDT
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Considering how truly BAD most American drivers are, maybe it's better that we don't have the equivalent of a 'ring.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:53:28 AM EDT
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The reason for that is that anyone who says "I just want to jump in my car and take a couple of laps" make up the 99% of people who are in the wall in the first lap. Everyone thinks that they are highly skilled drivers - until its time to do highly skilled driver sh*t. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You ever just jump in your car and ask if you could take a couple laps? You can't, even with a dedicated track car. Found one! Everyone thinks that they are highly skilled drivers - until its time to do highly skilled driver sh*t. I was just in the SF Bay Area. Everybody there knows how to draft at speed. Fuck braking distance. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:55:41 AM EDT
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Absolutely not, even a club needs to be sanctioned and highly covered with insurance to rent VIR. You are talking apples to tacos We can't have nice things because of lawyers and stupid people. Someone would file a lawsuit saying a public track could hit a school buss if it accidentally found its way onto the track No where no time never will you be allowed in the US to go to Avis and rent a mustang and drive it to hillbillyringschlef and pay $20 and tear around for 8 miles and then exit Not going to happen Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lime Rock, clubs can rent the track. It is beautiful up there. VIR in Virginia, same deal We can't have nice things because of lawyers and stupid people. Someone would file a lawsuit saying a public track could hit a school buss if it accidentally found its way onto the track No where no time never will you be allowed in the US to go to Avis and rent a mustang and drive it to hillbillyringschlef and pay $20 and tear around for 8 miles and then exit Not going to happen you most certainly can run these tracks with a club or private vehicle during an event. 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 11:11:12 AM EDT
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Get one Asian lady on there... disaster.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 12:04:55 PM EDT
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No Nurburgring? Because .............. And racing in general is ......... |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 11:43:58 PM EDT
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You ever just jump in your car and ask if you could take a couple laps? You can't, even with a dedicated track car. Found one! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have some great tracks here though, just not the Scale of the Ring. Road Atlanta Willow Springs Sears Point Barber Motorsports (drove here) Laguna Seca etc. etc. AMP NCM Lime Rock Park Palm Beach NOLA Sebring Sonoma Yeah, too bad we are short on places to race...
That being said I'm always in favor of more, newer, bigger facilities opening up. But they have to be viable from a business perspective. You can't, even with a dedicated track car. Quoted:
No Nurburgring? Because .............. And racing in general is ......... |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:02:23 AM EDT
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Don't forget at one time there were more tracks/roads with little to no restrictions. But because they became popular for idiots they were shut down and then turned into housing developments.
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:33:24 AM EDT
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Absolutely not, even a club needs to be sanctioned and highly covered with insurance to rent VIR. You are talking apples to tacos As a former treasurer of a small club that rents Summit Point three times per year for events I'm familiar with that cost. We were paying $10,200/day which included the insurance and two ambulances. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:47:01 AM EDT
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Watkins Glen had a good start, but didn't control faces to the race course.
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Posted: 10/21/2017 1:07:18 AM EDT
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Well, the elevation changes are all natural. To recreate it would be a lot of money in landscaping alone. It would be easier and cheaper to find a hilly area and create a new custom track instead of copying another one. The Motegi Twin Ring would be more feasible to replicate because the oval could be repurposed for NASCAR races and the rest of it is relatively flat, which is good for motorcycle racing.
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