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Posted: 10/20/2017 7:27:30 AM EDT
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Months. It began when he started amassing "assault rifles" and accessories last October. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you saying you believe this was a government operation? That is, assuming that he acted alone, as is the current story we're being fed. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the truth.  
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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:30:36 AM EDT
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Months. It began when he started amassing "assault rifles" and accessories last October. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:34:47 AM EDT
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A good read about how terrible the MGM security Is. *Paddock studied Mandalay Bay. He knew the shift change times. There is a shift change at 9:59 PM. That’s why the shooting took place around 10 PM. It’s a time of mass confusion. *Many critics have asked after Campos was shot, why were police not called quickly. My sources say calls to police are ALWAYS a last resort at any MGM property. They never want police involved. They want no public record of incidents at MGM properties. *Secondly, they report MGM security has cheap, faulty equipment. Their radios are the worst problem. They often don’t work, or suffer “dead zones” all over the hotels. Campos may have been unable to reach his supervisors for crucial minutes. He may have been forced to use his personal cell phone. Must keep thread alive |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:37:56 AM EDT
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I would love to know exactly what was bought and when. I feel like the "he started amassing weapons in October" may be a ruse by the sheriff. I mean, if he bought one gun in October, and then a dozen in the month after Trump won the election saying that he "started" in October would be a cute little way to try to disguise potential motive... And this sheriff seems to like hiding motives that make him uncomfortable politically..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Months. It began when he started amassing "assault rifles" and accessories last October. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 8:51:03 AM EDT
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Like when it became clear that Trump had a chance of actually winning, last October? That is when the FBI contacted him to make sure there was a big event (narrowly stopped) that was far enough away from the mid terms to allow democrats and wobbly republicans to vote on a gun ban that madam president would willingly sign. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:03:19 AM EDT
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NO. That is when the FBI contacted him to make sure there was a big event (narrowly stopped) that was far enough away from the mid terms to allow democrats and wobbly republicans to vote on a gun ban that madam president would willingly sign. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Like when it became clear that Trump had a chance of actually winning, last October? That is when the FBI contacted him to make sure there was a big event (narrowly stopped) that was far enough away from the mid terms to allow democrats and wobbly republicans to vote on a gun ban that madam president would willingly sign. 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:16:11 AM EDT
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NO. That is when the FBI contacted him to make sure there was a big event (narrowly stopped) that was far enough away from the mid terms to allow democrats and wobbly republicans to vote on a gun ban that madam president would willingly sign. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Like when it became clear that Trump had a chance of actually winning, last October? That is when the FBI contacted him to make sure there was a big event (narrowly stopped) that was far enough away from the mid terms to allow democrats and wobbly republicans to vote on a gun ban that madam president would willingly sign. 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:24:25 AM EDT
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At one time, you could get rappelling rope by the spool instead of a hank, I think it was 750' (of course, that was over twenty years ago). I've never abseiled on a double line or even with a top belay, just single & mostly dynamic. That was when I was young & dumber, and I got injured for my hubris. 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:25:27 AM EDT
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NO. That is when the FBI contacted him to make sure there was a big event (narrowly stopped) that was far enough away from the mid terms to allow democrats and wobbly republicans to vote on a gun ban that madam president would willingly sign. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:39:42 AM EDT
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Heard on the local news this morning MGM wants Campos to only give one interview with softball questions due to lawsuits. Ellens show is affiliated with MGM somehow. I forget if its the producer or somebody was the Vice president or some shit for MGM years ago.
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Posted: 10/20/2017 11:53:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2017 12:58:30 PM EDT
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Interesting that Rachel Sheppard's attorney appears from donations and google to be a lefty, but also a good attorney. Should be interesting if anything ever comes out
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Posted: 10/20/2017 2:09:37 PM EDT
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Probably more likely to hear a screaming woman because of one of these with a silicone rubber accessory mounted http://picktonfile.wikispaces.com/file/view/sawzallll.jpg/183989927/sawzallll.jpg |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 2:28:38 PM EDT
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Local TV news this morning mentioned that no motive is known and we may never know the motive.
Saw a post a page or so back that the Sheriff or someone mentioned this. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 2:32:47 PM EDT
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Local TV news this morning mentioned that no motive is known and we may never know the motive. Saw a post a page or so back that the Sheriff or someone mentioned this. eta: I hope the "silent majority" enjoys their extinction. They fucking deserve it. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 2:41:17 PM EDT
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Local TV news this morning mentioned that no motive is known and we may never know the motive. Saw a post a page or so back that the Sheriff or someone mentioned this. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:40:16 PM EDT
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...don't let it die...
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Posted: 10/20/2017 9:42:26 PM EDT
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...don't let it die... |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:02:47 PM EDT
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We’ve almost solved it Considering the history of posting... Maybe we finally did! |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:24:20 PM EDT
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With only 2 posts in ~8 hours... Considering the history of posting... Maybe we finally did! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We’ve almost solved it Considering the history of posting... Maybe we finally did! |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:36:57 PM EDT
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Colonel Mustard in the hallway with a bumpstock and rappelling rope wearing a wingsuit. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:54:41 PM EDT
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I was being sarcastic about repelling mr. Popcorn I was merely interested in showing the absurdity of yet another conspiracy theory. People are theorizing he was using a hammer drill to anchor a rappel for God's sake. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 11:03:36 PM EDT
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Not a conspiracy theorist at all.
And I do not believe there is a cover up...yet. Waiting for proof- I know, silly me. This is the same type of stuff I have seen with the JFK assassination. Waco. Oklahoma. Breitbart. Scalia. The conspiracy types will declare that I am a gullible fool for listening to the authorities and media. Of course they have to assume/claim I am listening to them in order to dismiss my disagreements with said conspiracy nuts. Really, all I know at this time is that there is not enough evidence beyond the basics to guess at anything. It won't stop certain people from thinking they have some special insight and that they are superior to us sheeple, but that is why they think like they do. Ego. Vanity. Steven Paddock bought a lot of guns and murdered a number of people by himself while at the Mandalay Bay. That is pretty much all we know. Those claiming to know otherwise are full of sh*t. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 11:43:31 PM EDT
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Not a conspiracy theorist at all. And I do not believe there is a cover up...yet. Waiting for proof- I know, silly me. This is the same type of stuff I have seen with the JFK assassination. Waco. Oklahoma. Breitbart. Scalia. The conspiracy types will declare that I am a gullible fool for listening to the authorities and media. Of course they have to assume/claim I am listening to them in order to dismiss my disagreements with said conspiracy nuts. Really, all I know at this time is that there is not enough evidence beyond the basics to guess at anything. It won't stop certain people from thinking they have some special insight and that they are superior to us sheeple, but that is why they think like they do. Ego. Vanity. Steven Paddock bought a lot of guns and murdered a number of people by himself while at the Mandalay Bay. That is pretty much all we know. Those claiming to know otherwise are full of sh*t. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 11:49:10 PM EDT
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What i find interesting is the australian Brian Hodge and him being in room 32134.
This is the same room that has a window broken out and a camera out in the hall.
ETA: got the pic from @miketokes on twitter  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:01:47 AM EDT
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the. lack of shills here speaks volumes
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:11:19 AM EDT
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the. lack of shills here speaks volumes |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:12:21 AM EDT
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Not a conspiracy theorist at all. And I do not believe there is a cover up...yet. Waiting for proof- I know, silly me. This is the same type of stuff I have seen with the JFK assassination. Waco. Oklahoma. Breitbart. Scalia. The conspiracy types will declare that I am a gullible fool for listening to the authorities and media. Of course they have to assume/claim I am listening to them in order to dismiss my disagreements with said conspiracy nuts. Really, all I know at this time is that there is not enough evidence beyond the basics to guess at anything. It won't stop certain people from thinking they have some special insight and that they are superior to us sheeple, but that is why they think like they do. Ego. Vanity. Steven Paddock bought a lot of guns and murdered a number of people by himself while at the Mandalay Bay. That is pretty much all we know. Those claiming to know otherwise are full of sh*t. Look no further... |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:16:22 AM EDT
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Not a conspiracy theorist at all. And I do not believe there is a cover up...yet. Waiting for proof- I know, silly me. This is the same type of stuff I have seen with the JFK assassination. Waco. Oklahoma. Breitbart. Scalia. The conspiracy types will declare that I am a gullible fool for listening to the authorities and media. Of course they have to assume/claim I am listening to them in order to dismiss my disagreements with said conspiracy nuts. Really, all I know at this time is that there is not enough evidence beyond the basics to guess at anything. It won't stop certain people from thinking they have some special insight and that they are superior to us sheeple, but that is why they think like they do. Ego. Vanity. Steven Paddock bought a lot of guns and murdered a number of people by himself while at the Mandalay Bay. That is pretty much all we know. Those claiming to know otherwise are full of sh*t. Without law enforcement confirming or denying our suppositions, coupled with their changing narrative...we can only formulate our best guess through inference and supposition. There are numerous sources for spurious and semi-spurious information which each of us apparently feels the need to sort through and vet or dismiss. Personally, I have my theory for the shooter's actions. So far it's substantiation is the unwillingness of law enforcement to deny these assertions I used to formulate my thesis -either directly or indirectly. This was the worst mass shooting in modern American history...and we don't even rate knowing how many victims had gunshot wounds or how many pieces of brass were recovered. Neither of those numbers could even remotely impede the 'investigation' or divulge anything of value to any ongoing investigation. It's bullshit obfuscation. The government conveniently forgets that they work for us. We should be furnished any and all information which could not possibly impede or jeopardize any investigation. Sans a 'motive' directly attributable to the shooter...every law abiding gun owner in this nation is cast in a disparaging light. I personally find that reprehensible and have to question the motivation of any gun owner that doesn't feel the same. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:18:17 AM EDT
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What i find interesting is the australian Brian Hodge and him being in room 32134. This is the same room that has a window broken out and a camera out in the hall.
ETA: got the pic from @miketokes on twitter https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/41029/DMcjJNTVAAEjo0Z-339459.JPG |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:22:22 AM EDT
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Was it not reported somewhere many pages back he cut a hole in the wall between the two rooms? |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:27:46 AM EDT
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist either. The fact remains that we do know a little bit more than that, but what we don't know is what we don't know. Without law enforcement confirming or denying our suppositions, coupled with their changing narrative...we can only formulate our best guess through inference and supposition. There are numerous sources for spurious and semi-spurious information which each of us apparently feels the need to sort through and vet or dismiss. Personally, I have my theory for the shooter's actions. So far it's substantiation is the unwillingness of law enforcement to deny these assertions I used to formulate my thesis -either directly or indirectly. This was the worst mass shooting in modern American history...and we don't even rate knowing how many victims had gunshot wounds or how many pieces of brass were recovered. Neither of those numbers could even remotely impede the 'investigation' or divulge anything of value to any ongoing investigation. It's bullshit obfuscation. The government conveniently forgets that they work for us. We should be furnished any and all information which could not possibly impede or jeopardize any investigation. Sans a 'motive' directly attributable to the shooter...every law abiding gun owner in this nation is cast in a disparaging light. I personally find that reprehensible and have to question the motivation of any gun owner that doesn't feel the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a conspiracy theorist at all. And I do not believe there is a cover up...yet. Waiting for proof- I know, silly me. This is the same type of stuff I have seen with the JFK assassination. Waco. Oklahoma. Breitbart. Scalia. The conspiracy types will declare that I am a gullible fool for listening to the authorities and media. Of course they have to assume/claim I am listening to them in order to dismiss my disagreements with said conspiracy nuts. Really, all I know at this time is that there is not enough evidence beyond the basics to guess at anything. It won't stop certain people from thinking they have some special insight and that they are superior to us sheeple, but that is why they think like they do. Ego. Vanity. Steven Paddock bought a lot of guns and murdered a number of people by himself while at the Mandalay Bay. That is pretty much all we know. Those claiming to know otherwise are full of sh*t. Without law enforcement confirming or denying our suppositions, coupled with their changing narrative...we can only formulate our best guess through inference and supposition. There are numerous sources for spurious and semi-spurious information which each of us apparently feels the need to sort through and vet or dismiss. Personally, I have my theory for the shooter's actions. So far it's substantiation is the unwillingness of law enforcement to deny these assertions I used to formulate my thesis -either directly or indirectly. This was the worst mass shooting in modern American history...and we don't even rate knowing how many victims had gunshot wounds or how many pieces of brass were recovered. Neither of those numbers could even remotely impede the 'investigation' or divulge anything of value to any ongoing investigation. It's bullshit obfuscation. The government conveniently forgets that they work for us. We should be furnished any and all information which could not possibly impede or jeopardize any investigation. Sans a 'motive' directly attributable to the shooter...every law abiding gun owner in this nation is cast in a disparaging light. I personally find that reprehensible and have to question the motivation of any gun owner that doesn't feel the same. One reason why I have yet to be convinced there is a conspiracy is that if there was, it would be all over the news. The feds have shown themselves to be incapable of hiding a needle in a haystack the last decade or two. Black sites. Interrogation methods. Wire taps. Benghazi. Uranium. Comey. They can't hide stuff even if their lives depend on it. Sure this could be the one time they get it right, but the odds are heavily against it. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:39:11 AM EDT
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https://youtu.be/TRJHt8DlVGU
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:44:21 AM EDT
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Was it not reported somewhere many pages back he cut a hole in the wall between the two rooms? |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:54:47 AM EDT
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Sans a 'motive' directly attributable to the shooter...every law abiding gun owner in this nation is cast in a disparaging light. I personally find that reprehensible and have to question the motivation of any gun owner that doesn't feel the same. Plus the people that want to ban guns beat their drums like they would regardless of what the motive would be. If SP was positioned by the CIA to take out a North Korean agent with a trigger for a nuclear weapon that was smuggled into the country and put under the stage, and SP ended up spraying the concert because he couldn't identify the target, they would still want to ban the guns. If you think there is a motive that would get them to say "thank God those guns are legal" I'm all ears. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 12:57:38 AM EDT
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Not a conspiracy theorist at all. And I do not believe there is a cover up...yet. Waiting for proof- I know, silly me. This is the same type of stuff I have seen with the JFK assassination. Waco. Oklahoma. Breitbart. Scalia. The conspiracy types will declare that I am a gullible fool for listening to the authorities and media. Of course they have to assume/claim I am listening to them in order to dismiss my disagreements with said conspiracy nuts. Really, all I know at this time is that there is not enough evidence beyond the basics to guess at anything. It won't stop certain people from thinking they have some special insight and that they are superior to us sheeple, but that is why they think like they do. Ego. Vanity. Steven Paddock bought a lot of guns and murdered a number of people by himself while at the Mandalay Bay. That is pretty much all we know. Those claiming to know otherwise are full of sh*t. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 1:41:14 AM EDT
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Are you saying you believe this was a government operation? That is, assuming that he acted alone, as is the current story we're being fed. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the truth. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 1:44:39 AM EDT
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I'd guess it was suggested a minimum of 3 times in the course of this thread. Almost as frequently as base jumping and using a freakin' wingsuit. I was merely interested in showing the absurdity of yet another conspiracy theory. People are theorizing he was using a hammer drill to anchor a rappel for God's sake. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was being sarcastic about repelling mr. Popcorn I was merely interested in showing the absurdity of yet another conspiracy theory. People are theorizing he was using a hammer drill to anchor a rappel for God's sake. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 2:26:45 AM EDT
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This was the worst mass shooting in modern American history...and we don't even rate knowing how many victims had gunshot wounds or how many pieces of brass were recovered. Neither of those numbers could even remotely impede the 'investigation' or divulge anything of value to any ongoing investigation. It's bullshit obfuscation. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 2:33:01 AM EDT
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all I know is fast and furious told me all I need to know about what "some" of our .gov things about the 2A
this whole thing smells like shit this old man didn't flip out there is more to it seems like the story has died in the media, follow the money, scanners will be in the hotels, they have already installed them in some, they took them out of the airports so they are sitting somewhere making no one money, what a perfect excuse to install them in hotels, bus stations, movie theaters .......... |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 4:37:00 AM EDT
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What i find interesting is the australian Brian Hodge and him being in room 32134. This is the same room that has a window broken out and a camera out in the hall.
ETA: got the pic from @miketokes on twitter https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/41029/DMcjJNTVAAEjo0Z-339459.JPG
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Posted: 10/21/2017 5:17:51 AM EDT
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On the one hand their silence bothers me. On the other I HOPE it is a sign they are simply trying to get it right before saying anything, but I am no less uncomfortable for it. One reason why I have yet to be convinced there is a conspiracy is that if there was, it would be all over the news. The feds have shown themselves to be incapable of hiding a needle in a haystack the last decade or two. Black sites. Interrogation methods. Wire taps. Benghazi. Uranium. Comey. They can't hide stuff even if their lives depend on it. Sure this could be the one time they get it right, but the odds are heavily against it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a conspiracy theorist at all. And I do not believe there is a cover up...yet. Waiting for proof- I know, silly me. This is the same type of stuff I have seen with the JFK assassination. Waco. Oklahoma. Breitbart. Scalia. The conspiracy types will declare that I am a gullible fool for listening to the authorities and media. Of course they have to assume/claim I am listening to them in order to dismiss my disagreements with said conspiracy nuts. Really, all I know at this time is that there is not enough evidence beyond the basics to guess at anything. It won't stop certain people from thinking they have some special insight and that they are superior to us sheeple, but that is why they think like they do. Ego. Vanity. Steven Paddock bought a lot of guns and murdered a number of people by himself while at the Mandalay Bay. That is pretty much all we know. Those claiming to know otherwise are full of sh*t. Without law enforcement confirming or denying our suppositions, coupled with their changing narrative...we can only formulate our best guess through inference and supposition. There are numerous sources for spurious and semi-spurious information which each of us apparently feels the need to sort through and vet or dismiss. Personally, I have my theory for the shooter's actions. So far it's substantiation is the unwillingness of law enforcement to deny these assertions I used to formulate my thesis -either directly or indirectly. This was the worst mass shooting in modern American history...and we don't even rate knowing how many victims had gunshot wounds or how many pieces of brass were recovered. Neither of those numbers could even remotely impede the 'investigation' or divulge anything of value to any ongoing investigation. It's bullshit obfuscation. The government conveniently forgets that they work for us. We should be furnished any and all information which could not possibly impede or jeopardize any investigation. Sans a 'motive' directly attributable to the shooter...every law abiding gun owner in this nation is cast in a disparaging light. I personally find that reprehensible and have to question the motivation of any gun owner that doesn't feel the same. One reason why I have yet to be convinced there is a conspiracy is that if there was, it would be all over the news. The feds have shown themselves to be incapable of hiding a needle in a haystack the last decade or two. Black sites. Interrogation methods. Wire taps. Benghazi. Uranium. Comey. They can't hide stuff even if their lives depend on it. Sure this could be the one time they get it right, but the odds are heavily against it. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 6:04:57 AM EDT
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all I know is fast and furious told me all I need to know about what "some" of our .gov things about the 2A this whole thing smells like shit this old man didn't flip out there is more to it seems like the story has died in the media, follow the money, scanners will be in the hotels, they have already installed them in some, they took them out of the airports so they are sitting somewhere making no one money, what a perfect excuse to install them in hotels, bus stations, movie theaters .......... There is a motive somewhere. It may be a completely irrational and ludicrous one, but there is a motive. He wanted to be heard... My 2 cents. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 6:09:39 AM EDT
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I take it pussy hat guy can't come out and say it wasn't him...
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Posted: 10/21/2017 7:43:45 AM EDT
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The motive in serial killings and mass killing is almost always a footnote. "I don't like Mondays"... Helter Skelter... it's hard to think of any that have a motive that actually explains anything. Plus the people that want to ban guns beat their drums like they would regardless of what the motive would be. If SP was positioned by the CIA to take out a North Korean agent with a trigger for a nuclear weapon that was smuggled into the country and put under the stage, and SP ended up spraying the concert because he couldn't identify the target, they would still want to ban the guns. If you think there is a motive that would get them to say "thank God those guns are legal" I'm all ears. Mass shooters almost always have a very specific, defined motive as well. In fact, nearly all mass shooters choose their location, target and method for very logically defined reasons (even if the reasons are petty or inaccurate.) Not to mention, serial killings and mass killings are nearly inconflatable. Serial Killers generally take action to avoid being noticed. Obviously some enjoy the attention, but given the fact so many of them are active those attention seekers are a vast minority. Mass killers want everyone to know what they did, and why they did it. It's generally for a cause, or as a "fuck you" to whatever group they felt slighted by. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 8:24:38 AM EDT
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<snip> I was merely interested in showing the absurdity of yet another conspiracy theory. People are theorizing he was using a hammer drill to anchor a rappel for God's sake. <snip> 
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Posted: 10/21/2017 9:23:03 AM EDT
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I have never understood this thinking that because the government occasionally gets caught with their conspiracies that they must not have any that don't get discovered. It is like a bleeding heart judge who sees the same defendant in her court every 6 months for new crimes thinking that those crimes must be the only crimes that criminal commits. Not realizing that the criminal breaks many laws a day but there are only so many times that even the most brazen criminal will get caught. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 9:31:40 AM EDT
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One thing is for sure, he didn't make 5M a year playing video poker. The odds are impossible.
So I suspect he was money laundering. But where did this money come from is the question that might shed some light on all this. 
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Posted: 10/21/2017 9:33:39 AM EDT
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Why is this fucking thread still going?
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Posted: 10/21/2017 9:34:01 AM EDT
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And I never understood the thinking that because the government occasionally gets caught with their conspiracies that everything must be a conspiracy even when there is no evidence of such (or when the “evidence” is ridiculously thin). I want to consider the possibility that things might not be as the government tells us but lots of people are to quick to jump to conclusions unsupported by the data. |
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