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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:23:13 PM EDT
[#1]
They are great for keeping the wife and kids in line.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:26:14 PM EDT
[#2]
Ive heard good things about the Peacekeeper baton. Have to have credentials to purchase though. Maybe there are some used ones on eBay, I'm not really sure though.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:28:52 PM EDT
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Anybody have the contact information for Tonya Harding or Nancy Kerrigan?
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:37:06 PM EDT
[#4]
ASP used to be the gold standard.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:38:39 PM EDT
[#5]
I like my monadnock better than my ASP. The button Lock feature is way nicer than friction lock when it comes time to close it.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:39:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Batons are all classified as deadly weapons in the state of Texas and are a felony to possess. ... Batons include: PR 24, Straight Sticks, Expandable, etc. This means in the state of Texas, to carry a baton as a security officer, you must be a Level-3 Commissioned Officer and also possess a baton card.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:39:16 PM EDT
[#7]
Monadnock auto-lock. Don't get it with the stupid "power safety tip". It has a ball bearing locking mechanism instead of the friction fit that a standard ASP has. That way you don't collapse the baton if you do a jab.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:01:30 PM EDT
[#8]
Winchester was the biggest and best but haven't seen them since 2005. ASP and the rest are ok but having used them on people I got better results with a SL20.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:10:00 PM EDT
[#9]
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Batons are all classified as deadly weapons in the state of Texas and are a felony to possess. ... Batons include: PR 24, Straight Sticks, Expandable, etc. This means in the state of Texas, to carry a baton as a security officer, you must be a Level-3 Commissioned Officer and also possess a baton card. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:10:25 PM EDT
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Batons are all classified as deadly weapons in the state of Texas and are a felony to possess. ... Batons include: PR 24, Straight Sticks, Expandable, etc. This means in the state of Texas, to carry a baton as a security officer, you must be a Level-3 Commissioned Officer and also possess a baton card. ETA: beat by 25 seconds. 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:10:53 PM EDT
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I wouldn't know. Washington law restricts carrying batons.
Anywhere I would need a baton, a gun works as well. I'm not Law Enforcement. There is very little need for me to follow a use of force escalation policy. Either I'm in fear for my life or I'm not. If I'm not, I'm walking away from whatever it is. A gun and a knife is all I need. I'll let those paid to keep the peace carry around Tasers, OC, or batons. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:12:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:18:14 PM EDT
[#13]
anything not name brand is crap.
ASP is most common, but too light, doesn't thunk well. Monadnock and Winchester is decent. If I had the money, I'd have a Peacekeeper RCB on my belt, no question. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:18:16 PM EDT
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Please show us where in the state penal code it makes it a felony to possess a baton. I understand that carrying one without an LTC and handgun is illegal. But am pretty sure possession is not illegal in the great State of Texas.
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Batons are all classified as deadly weapons in the state of Texas and are a felony to possess. ... Batons include: PR 24, Straight Sticks, Expandable, etc. This means in the state of Texas, to carry a baton as a security officer, you must be a Level-3 Commissioned Officer and also possess a baton card. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:21:07 PM EDT
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I really like hippie-beatin' sticks. Gave my brother a Monadnock and a SOG tomahawk when he lived in an apartment where he couldn't own a gun. Solid tool.
Gave a friend a Bowie and S&W baton because he likes close-in weaponry. Doesn't feel as good as the Monadnock, but I wouldn't want to get smacked with it. Get a shorter baton, study some Youtube, and practice. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:26:39 PM EDT
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Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:(1) the handgun is in plain view, unless the person is licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and the handgun is carried in a shoulder or belt holster; or(2) the person is:(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.(a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.(a-3) For purposes of this section, "watercraft" means any boat, motorboat, vessel, or personal watercraft, other than a seaplane on water, used or capable of being used for transportation on water.(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:30:14 PM EDT
[#17]
Go old school...
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:36:18 PM EDT
[#18]
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Ive heard good things about the Peacekeeper baton. Have to have credentials to purchase though. Maybe there are some used ones on eBay, I'm not really sure though. 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:37:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI like your style
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:43:59 PM EDT
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Please show us where in the state penal code it makes it a felony to possess a baton. I understand that carrying one without an LTC and handgun is illegal. But am pretty sure possession is not illegal in the great State of Texas. Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control. (a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which: (1) the handgun is in plain view; or (2) the person is: (A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic; (B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or (C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01. (a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters. (b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. (c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:53:16 PM EDT
[#21]
Somebody on here recommended me the RCB Peacekeeper.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:59:19 PM EDT
[#22]
All collapsible batons suck, just to different degrees. They are only popular because they are stuck on the belt and aren't forgotten in the car.
Hardwood is superior in just about every way. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:03:44 PM EDT
[#23]
Expandable batons are fucking useless unless you need to poke something to see if it's dead or to reach shit.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:10:27 PM EDT
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It is NOT a felony to possess a baton in Texas unless done on a premises licensed or issued a permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages. Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
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Please show us where in the state penal code it makes it a felony to possess a baton. I understand that carrying one without an LTC and handgun is illegal. But am pretty sure possession is not illegal in the great State of Texas. Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:13:46 PM EDT
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That's not what the law you posted says. The way I'm reading it, if you take it off your "own premises" (your property), then its illegal to possess. (See below text)
Which is exactly what I said. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:15:16 PM EDT
[#26]
ASP is still good, get the steel 26", don't get the aluminum.
Monadnock batons are pretty good too. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:22:21 PM EDT
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Yes, but it is NOT a felony unless done on a premises licensed or issued a permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages. Which is exactly what I said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not what the law you posted says. The way I'm reading it, if you take it off your "own premises" (your property), then its illegal to possess. (See below text)
Which is exactly what I said. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:25:56 PM EDT
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Yup, you're right. 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:27:32 PM EDT
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Expandable batons are fucking useless unless you need to poke something to see if it's dead or to reach shit. 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:30:08 PM EDT
[#30]
I have a LEO license to carry one...took the class. a loong time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
That being said; I DON'T CARRY ONE. OC or firearm. I'm too old to close with a bad guy. I want his/her ass on the ground before he/she can get close enough to touch me. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:45:21 PM EDT
[#31]
5 D-cell Mag-lite?.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:52:39 PM EDT
[#32]
I keep a 32 millimeter wrench in the truck.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:53:57 PM EDT
[#33]
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club...
Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY. (b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who: (2) is traveling; (3) is engaging in lawful hunting, fishing, or other sporting activity on the immediate premises where the activity is conducted, or is en route between the premises and the actor's residence, motor vehicle, or watercraft, if the weapon is a type commonly used in the activity; (6) is carrying: (A) a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a handgun; and (B) a handgun: (i) in a concealed manner; or (ii) in a shoulder or belt holster; I don't particularly have an interest in carrying a baton in Texas as I can't envision a situation in which stabbing or shooting the miscreant would not produce the desired result faster in a situation in which deadly force is authorized. If I can't carry a big knife or a pistol somewhere, I can't carry the club either. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:57:02 PM EDT
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Open carrying pistols and rifles is ok. But a metal stick is restricted?
WTF... |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 7:26:41 PM EDT
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Open carrying pistols and rifles is ok. But a metal stick is restricted? WTF... |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 7:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI have an old Convoy blackjack, where can I get me one of those? 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 7:39:27 PM EDT
[#37]
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Ive heard good things about the Peacekeeper baton. Have to have credentials to purchase though. Maybe there are some used ones on eBay, I'm not really sure though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ive heard good things about the Peacekeeper baton. Have to have credentials to purchase though. Maybe there are some used ones on eBay, I'm not really sure though. They are in fact great. Much mo better energy transfer. Relative to the ASP, it looks/feels like you're carrying a collapsible aluminum baseball bat. Quoted:
Winchester was the biggest and best but haven't seen them since 2005. ASP and the rest are ok but having used them on people I got better results with a SL20. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 8:07:50 PM EDT
[#38]
ASPs suck. I've NEVER seen one work well on a bad guy, even with good hit placement and some serious muscle behind them.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 8:12:53 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Batons are all classified as deadly weapons in the state of Texas and are a felony to possess. ... Batons include: PR 24, Straight Sticks, Expandable, etc. This means in the state of Texas, to carry a baton as a security officer, you must be a Level-3 Commissioned Officer and also possess a baton card. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:08:09 AM EDT
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School me on who has the best collapsible police baton? I like them, don't have one, would like one to just play with. Really, the tonfa or nunchaku can be better tactically. Police departments chose telescoping batons because of how convenient they are to carry and wear when collapsed. You just want to play with it? Get a fidget spinner or Zippo lighter. 
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:16:17 AM EDT
[#41]
I've found it good for retrieving dropped items off of the passenger side floor.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:55:29 AM EDT
[#42]
Seems like a lot of "The Great State Of Texas" but not so great if you ever feel like defending yourself.
To the OP, get an RCB. Monandock is pretty good, ASP is absolute garbage |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:05:23 AM EDT
[#43]
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Seems like a lot of "The Great State Of Texas" but not so great if you ever feel like defending yourself. To the OP, get an RCB. Monandock is pretty good, ASP is absolute garbage |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:20:40 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Seems like a lot of "The Great State Of Texas" but not so great if you ever feel like defending yourself. To the OP, get an RCB. Monandock is pretty good, ASP is absolute garbage |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:29:09 AM EDT
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I carry an ASP at work. I mostly use it to prop open the door to the morgue when letting in a livery service.
Given I will most likely be fired if I ever hit someone with the silly thing, I would only ever use it if it was a lethal force scenario. Of course in that case why would I use a fucking baton? I wish I could just leave it in my locker to save weight on my belt. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:47:39 AM EDT
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Back in the'80's, we trained officers to use the baton primarily as a compliance tool. Lots of fun things you can do with them besides tonk people. The only strike I ever had confidence in was the downward stroke, as in sword fighting. Moreso with the ASP than the PR-24. I'm way too old now to waste time with contact weapons. Distance is my friend. I'll shoot you long before I can smell you.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:50:21 AM EDT
[#47]
Monadnock > ASP.
Better locking mechanism. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:52:19 AM EDT
[#48]
American ironwood baton is best baton.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 3:44:32 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOld hickory is what I started out carrying as a cop and the only baton that really worked. Several brands of collapsibles have performed poorly for me.
J- |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:23:52 AM EDT
[#50]
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Batons are all classified as deadly weapons in the state of Texas and are a felony to possess. ... Batons include: PR 24, Straight Sticks, Expandable, etc. This means in the state of Texas, to carry a baton as a security officer, you must be a Level-3 Commissioned Officer and also possess a baton card. For a security officer, a level 3 is all that is required, not a "baton card" Where did you find that misinformation? |
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