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7/30/2017 3:35:09 AM EDT
"The Model 3 is so unexpected scalpel-like, I’m sputtering for adjectives. And to mention body roll is to have already said too much about it. Nearly-nil body roll? Magic, I’m telling you. Magic. And this is the single-motor, rear-wheel-drive starting point. The already boggled mind boggles further at the mention of Dual Motor and Ludicrous."  From MotorTrend

"0-60 in 5.1 seconds with the longer range 310 mile battery that tops out at 140 mph."

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7/30/2017 4:00:57 AM EDT
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they are going to sell a shitload of them

and then the mystique will wear off.
7/30/2017 4:06:43 AM EDT
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Will only sell if they include a HUD and the autopilot.  I dont want a car without a gauge cluster or have to look at the radio for my speed.  Fuck that.
7/30/2017 4:10:10 AM EDT
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What little I know about them, they are BadAss.
7/30/2017 4:12:06 AM EDT
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MT will suck the chrome off a tow hitch

ETA: Even still I bet the car is pretty cool.
7/30/2017 4:14:45 AM EDT
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The article mentioned that the iPad they glommed onto the dash sucks balls.
7/30/2017 4:46:39 AM EDT
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7/30/2017 4:49:37 AM EDT
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7/30/2017 5:03:26 AM EDT
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Like it or not but electric is the future of automotive advancements and boy do I remember my days of youth at the big slot car tracks. Damn, now I can drive in one!
7/30/2017 5:07:44 AM EDT
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I'm far from a Luddite, but in practical terms electric only cars have a long way to go.  When the energy contained by the battery pack is equivalent to that in a tank full of liquid hydrocarbons, and they can be recharged as fast as an ICE car can be refilled, they will have arrived for good.  Until then they'll remain a novelty.
7/30/2017 5:20:11 AM EDT
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I just want autopilot, the commuter car could be electric but the minivan or SUV needs longer legs.

Kharn
7/30/2017 5:26:03 AM EDT
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7/30/2017 5:33:10 AM EDT
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I remember when people laughed at getting rid of steel dashboards in favor of, god forbid, plastic of all things...
7/30/2017 5:35:03 AM EDT
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I just want autopilot, the commuter car could be electric but the minivan or SUV needs longer legs.

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I see this dude in his Model S going across the 24 mile bridge across Lake Ponchatrain reading the newspaper.
That is prett cool.
7/30/2017 5:35:27 AM EDT
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I remember when people laughed at getting rid of steel dashboards in favor of, god forbid, plastic of all things...
I remember when dashboards were actually useful for holding shit, and not just a lump of plastic full of airbags.  Darwin has been thwarted far too often with automotive design.
7/30/2017 5:38:46 AM EDT
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They may be the future, but it's still a long ways away. Until battery range, recharging, or replacement become quick and affordable...gasoline is going to beat it for the vast majority of consumers. If I need to get to work I'm not going to wait an hour for my battery to charge.
7/30/2017 5:38:52 AM EDT
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I remember when people laughed at getting rid of steel dashboards in favor of, god forbid, plastic of all things...
Did the switch to plastic require massive government subsidies to make its use financially viable?

No, but electric cars do.
7/30/2017 5:42:24 AM EDT
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I'm far from a Luddite, but in practical terms electric only cars have a long way to go.  When the energy contained by the battery pack is equivalent to that in a tank full of liquid hydrocarbons, and they can be recharged as fast as an ICE car can be refilled, they will have arrived for good.  Until then they'll remain a novelty.
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Like it or not but electric is the future of automotive advancements and boy do I remember my days of youth at the big slot car tracks. Damn, now I can drive in one!
I'm far from a Luddite, but in practical terms electric only cars have a long way to go.  When the energy contained by the battery pack is equivalent to that in a tank full of liquid hydrocarbons, and they can be recharged as fast as an ICE car can be refilled, they will have arrived for good.  Until then they'll remain a novelty.
Use a charged fluid. Reclaim the discharged fluid, replace with fresh (charged) fluid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/s/524781/a-battery-with-liquid-electrodes-can-be-recharged-or-refilled/amp/

ETA: My dumbass asked this question almost 20 years ago. Along with if it were possible to utilize large bodies of surface water (ponds and such) as solar panels.
7/30/2017 5:44:37 AM EDT
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I remember when people laughed at getting rid of steel dashboards in favor of, god forbid, plastic of all things...
Did the switch to plastic require massive government subsidies to make its use financially viable?

No, but electric cars do.
Of course it didn't, but the switch to plastic wasn't such a huge shift in technology either.
IMHO that's not really a relevant comparison but I do get your point.
7/30/2017 6:41:30 AM EDT
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Al Gore should be in full chicken little mode.

https://www.autovistagroup.com/news-and-insights/swedish-study-calls-smaller-ev-batteries-finds-tesla-more-polluting-8-year-old
7/30/2017 6:57:42 AM EDT
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And they split/crack, and warp. I'd rather have the old steel back
7/30/2017 7:01:36 AM EDT
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The dash of the Model 3 was incredibly disappointing. It's like they didn't even try to design one lol

Other than that I'd love to have one of these for a day to day car.
7/30/2017 8:16:37 AM EDT
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The dash of the Model 3 was incredibly disappointing. It's like they didn't even try to design one lol

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They are trying to compete with General Motors, and had to cut costs dramatically.  You can drive a Chevy Bolt home today, and while it lacks the sleek exterior styling of the Model 3, it has a MUCH better interior.  Chevy is also looking at installing fast chargers at their dealerships, which would give them another advantage.

I enjoy reading about these nice golf carts as I contemplate the options I'll order on my 2018 Jeep JL Wrangler Rubicon sometime this fall/winter.
7/30/2017 8:37:55 AM EDT
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Mini Coopers sell like hot cakes.  The speedometer is in the center.
7/30/2017 8:39:29 AM EDT
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When the housing bubble hit here in the early 2000's they advertised new cars in the garage.
7/30/2017 8:46:15 AM EDT
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Looking forward to Autoweek reviewing this car.

Also, the larger battery option is $9,000.  Enhanced autopilot is $5,000.
7/30/2017 8:48:36 AM EDT
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The increased usage of coal and uranium that will be needed, in order to meet the increased electrical demand, will be ignored by the Eco Zealots.  Hippocrates.
7/30/2017 8:48:58 AM EDT
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Electric cars are awesome. As soon as they become practical I'm ditching all my dinosaur burners. Epictetus!
7/30/2017 8:51:49 AM EDT
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Use a charged fluid. Reclaim the discharged fluid, replace with fresh (charged) fluid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/s/524781/a-battery-with-liquid-electrodes-can-be-recharged-or-refilled/amp/

ETA: My dumbass asked this question almost 20 years ago. Along with if it were possible to utilize large bodies of surface water (ponds and such) as solar panels.
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Photosynthesis is 98% efficient [edit - wrong!] and converts co2 into o2. What we need is cars that run on sugar. Aristotle.
7/30/2017 9:03:12 AM EDT
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I would buy one. Plato.
7/30/2017 9:07:49 AM EDT
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They may be feesible by the time I retire.
7/30/2017 9:15:03 AM EDT
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I don't hate Tesla and most electric car drivers because of the lies about environmental benefits and government subsidies.

You want an electric car because it's awesome and you like XyZ features cool no complaints here, just don't pretend it's something it isn't.

Is electric the future, probably eventually, however not until we create new battery tech and efficiencies.  Producing 12m+ cars a year just in the US to replace existing gas fleet is not feasible or sustainable from a natural resource perspective using current tech.

As far as environmental, come with me on my next trip to Ulan Bator and the mines surrounding it.
7/30/2017 9:16:15 AM EDT
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For some reason, car companies don't like to spend money designing dashboards. 
Ford didn't design a dash for my old Mustang, either.  They just used the dash that was being produced the Falcon. 
7/30/2017 9:20:11 AM EDT
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It could use a small display in front of the steering wheel that shows basic info like speed, P/R/N/D, charge level, and estimated range.
7/30/2017 9:24:08 AM EDT
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lol Motor Trend. How long has it been since they published an opinion they weren't paid to have?
7/30/2017 9:35:11 AM EDT
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Like it or not but electric is the future of automotive advancements and boy do I remember my days of youth at the big slot car tracks. Damn, now I can drive in one!
I'm far from a Luddite, but in practical terms electric only cars have a long way to go.  When the energy contained by the battery pack is equivalent to that in a tank full of liquid hydrocarbons, and they can be recharged as fast as an ICE car can be refilled, they will have arrived for good.  Until then they'll remain a novelty.
I think recharge time is possibly more important than capacity, unless you're driving a few hundred miles between stops. If the car did 200 miles on a charge, but you could recharge it in a few minutes, the capacity would have no downside for any situation where I use a car. Realistically, it would get me home and back quite easily for 99% of journeys.

I quite like the idea of pulling into a car park, plugging the car in to charge, and going for a coffee while I wait for it to charge. 5 minutes? Fantastic. 10 minutes? Fine. 20 minutes? Wouldn't be happy.

My wife's job involves quite a bit of town driving, but 200 miles would still easily cover her needs for a fortnight. It could cover mine for a week. These things are already practical for a lot of users, they're just bloody expensive.

I'm really keen on the idea of electric vehicles. Shame they cost a fortune at the moment.
7/30/2017 9:37:24 AM EDT
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Loved the title of the article - Here’s What Everyone Says About How The Tesla Model 3 Drives.

There are what, 30 hand built cars being sold to employees? So there's another few for ad purposes at sites like the link and others? Hasn't been a single one produced off the line yet.
So they can be talking probably a hundred or so automotive writers?
7/30/2017 9:38:30 AM EDT
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In 2020, solid state Li batteries (that have three times the energy density of today's lithium ion battery) will be the norm.

In 2025, solid state graphene batteries (that have five times the energy density of today's lithium ion battery) will be the norm.

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At that point, the internal combustion engine will be obsolete and you won't need an extensive charging network (or gas stations) for that matter.
7/30/2017 9:41:41 AM EDT
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Where the fuck are you guys even going with your daily drivers that warrants driving 300 miles to a place without electricity?
7/30/2017 9:49:07 AM EDT
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Neither of which come from the Aloha Snackbar.  I'm all for Ohio coal fired automobiles.  

Drove from Central Ohio to PA up on Lake Erie yesterday.  Not one IED along the way.  I drove over shale gas wells and coal most of the trip.  Let the Arabs kill one another and not my young Marines and soldiers.
7/30/2017 9:49:55 AM EDT
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Where'd you hear that? Photosynthesis is usually around 3-6% of total sunlight striking the leaf.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetic_efficiency

Our best solar cells are around 40% efficient. Go science.
7/30/2017 9:50:14 AM EDT
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If it says flex fuel it already does.
7/30/2017 9:56:57 AM EDT
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Same thing where people gripe that a small/midsize pickup can't haul a fifth wheel camper or a horse trailer.  It can't excel at every single thing I might ever want to do, so it's crap.

200 miles of range is more than enough for a daily commuter and running errands and such.

But the first thing everyone wants to talk about is a cross-country road trip.  If you do that a lot, then you should take your other vehicle, or buy a different vehicle.
7/30/2017 10:07:20 AM EDT
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The farm lobby would make you president
7/30/2017 10:08:38 AM EDT
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it's difficult to judge whether the era of the small combustion engine is coming to a close and is being supplanted by the electric motor.

I'd say that we are still a couple of decades off in terms of battery technology and infrastructure.  We will need revolutions in both before I see it becoming truly viable. Building already tried and true infrastructure is a detail, new tech is not.

He who dares wins, though and Musk isn't waiting around for anyone. How he gets to his objective will pale to insignificance when he succeeds. If he fails on the way then all of the knives will come out. Heck, they already are.
7/30/2017 10:11:01 AM EDT
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That's craftsmanship
7/30/2017 10:14:16 AM EDT
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In 2020, solid state Li batteries (that have three times the energy density of today's lithium ion battery) will be the norm.

In 2025, solid state graphene batteries (that have five times the energy density of today's lithium ion battery) will be the norm.
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the internal combustion engine will be obsolete
7/30/2017 10:14:23 AM EDT
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I love cars but even I know this is sadly inevitable, France and the U.K. have both put plans into motion to ban the sale of gas, diesel and even hybrid cars in 2040. More countries will end up following, and if a car maker can't sell gas cars in half the global market you can forget about them making them in the first place. The tech will get better in the next 20 years, just look at electric cars 20 years ago. At least I hope it does...
7/30/2017 10:56:41 AM EDT
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In 2020, solid state Li batteries (that have three times the energy density of today's lithium ion battery) will be the norm.

In 2025, solid state graphene batteries (that have five times the energy density of today's lithium ion battery) will be the norm.

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Lithium batteries will triple in storage capacity in three years? In what fantasy universe will that happen?
7/30/2017 11:10:25 AM EDT
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Same thing where people gripe that a small/midsize pickup can't haul a fifth wheel camper or a horse trailer.  It can't excel at every single thing I might ever want to do, so it's crap.

200 miles of range is more than enough for a daily commuter and running errands and such.

But the first thing everyone wants to talk about is a cross-country road trip.  If you do that a lot, then you should take your other vehicle, or buy a different vehicle.
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Where the fuck are you guys even going with your daily drivers that warrants driving 300 miles to a place without electricity?
Same thing where people gripe that a small/midsize pickup can't haul a fifth wheel camper or a horse trailer.  It can't excel at every single thing I might ever want to do, so it's crap.

200 miles of range is more than enough for a daily commuter and running errands and such.

But the first thing everyone wants to talk about is a cross-country road trip.  If you do that a lot, then you should take your other vehicle, or buy a different vehicle.
Of course, this isn't really an issue when you live in a country that's less than 300 miles wide
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That would be in the 2021 Toyota Prius universe.  

Solid state batteries are nothing new, just expensive.
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