Posted: 7/19/2017 2:55:12 PM EDT
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I still remember 2008 pretty well. Like many of you here I experienced fear of new gun laws, healthcare, pro choice regulations, etc. To many of us on the right, the situation looked hopeless.
I was always into guns (including black rifles), but I wasn't anywhere near "stocked up". I had no savings and little desire to be better (at anything) than my current spot in life. I just paid my bills, had my fun, and scraped by to next Friday. Something changed in 2008. I started foolishly panic buying like everyone else. And I also got lots of range time- which slowly turned into 3 gun. I started seeing lots of prepping stuff as the economy got worse, which definitely caught my attention. From there I discovered podcasts and forums. I started camping and hiking and created plans to begin stocking the pantry and closets over time. Naturally gardening came next. Permaculture blew my mind. Along with the typical annuals I began creating a small food forest system. About then discovered paleo and ketogenic diets (which meshed so nicely with permaculture) and began working out. As the economy began to improve I started seeing my 401k grow to a respectable best egg. Which lead me down the path of financial security. I started buying everything used, tackled my debt problem, and for the first time in my life I was able to save a nice portion of my paycheck. During all of this I dove deep into conservative ideology. Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity turned into Ayn Rand and Thomas Sowell. I discovered Ron Paul and the non agression principal. Not long after I realized conservatives were wrong on issues like gay marriage and drug prohibition. I watched variations of this transformation occur across much of conservative America. We lost bigly. So we looked inward for self improvement and came out the other side enlightened, prepared, and filled with resolve. Compare this to the present day antics of the left. Will they begin to look at their problems as a sign of self impotency or external oppression? And how will they proceed over the next 4 years? |
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I was pretty much with you until you got to gay marriage and drugs. You ain't as conservative as you think. |
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I was pretty much with you until you got to gay marriage and drugs. You ain't as conservative as you think. Now he's back on the "libertarian" promotion band wagon. He hasn't figured out the libertarian ship sailed--and sunk--long ago. Open borders anyone? 
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I was pretty much with you until you got to gay marriage and drugs. You ain't as conservative as you think. Evolve or die. The GOP and 'conservatives' are marching themselves off a cliff as they continue to hang on to bullshit morality points. |
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You're right, he should have stated that he has become more interested in individual liberties and freedoms. Conservatism has become basically "Don't do anything Jesus wouldn't do" Evolve or die. The GOP and 'conservatives' are marching themselves off a cliff as they continue to hang on to bullshit morality points. |
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He's not a conservative at all. He yammered over and over and over for Gary Johnson all last year--then capitulated and said he would STFU when Johnson's foibles were revealed. Now he's back on the "libertarian" promotion band wagon. He hasn't figured out the libertarian ship sailed--and sunk--long ago. Open borders anyone? Once we reign in progressivism, I'll be back to fight you on this. |
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I'll concede the borders issue because our system is already overtaxed and we can't afford the extra Democrat voters. Once we reign in progressivism, I'll be back to fight you on this. |
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When it comes to borders, remember this: EVERY other modern nation on the planet has more secure borders and more strict immigration laws than the US. Yes absolutely goods, services, talent, and tourism should be unhampered in entering our nation, but without real and true borders we have no nation. And do you really want to see what this planet would look like without the US as the Alpha? Not me. Quoted:
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I'll concede the borders issue because our system is already overtaxed and we can't afford the extra Democrat voters. Once we reign in progressivism, I'll be back to fight you on this. 
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When it comes to borders, remember this: EVERY other modern nation on the planet has more secure borders and more strict immigration laws than the US. Yes absolutely goods, services, talent, and tourism should be unhampered in entering our nation, but without real and true borders we have no nation. And do you really want to see what this planet would look like without the US as the Alpha? Not me. |
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He believes in a libertarian utopia where the entire world is one big happy commune of freedom and free movement--IOW, no countries at all. You're a Christian that believes in things I believe to be absurd. Can't I be an idealist that believes in absurd things as well? |
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All very good points. I'll agree to this for now if I can get some reciprocity on issues like gay marriage and drug prohibition. Both are victimless actions and cost us greatly at the polls. If we combine the gains from all three (wall, gay marriage, and weed), it helps protect protect more important ideals like free speech and free markets. |
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So being "conservative" means being anti freedom for things i don't like? Quoted:
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I was pretty much with you until you got to gay marriage and drugs. You ain't as conservative as you think. 
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I'm conservative. I don't like murder. Am I "anti freedom" now too? Quoted:
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I was pretty much with you until you got to gay marriage and drugs. You ain't as conservative as you think. |
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I'm conservative. I don't like murder. Am I "anti freedom" now too? So being "conservative" means being anti freedom for things i don't like? A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". |
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You're right, he should have stated that he has become more interested in individual liberties and freedoms. Conservatism has become basically "Don't do anything Jesus wouldn't do" Evolve or die. The GOP and 'conservatives' are marching themselves off a cliff as they continue to hang on to bullshit morality points. And no, I don't support gay marriage nor illegal drug use. Sometimes freedom means being free to make bad decisions. 
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I was pretty much with you until you got to gay marriage and drugs. You ain't as conservative as you think. |
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So you decided to take responsibility for yourself, educate yourself and prepare. Versus the left who just has a hissy fit like a toddler at the grocery store who wants candy. Are liberals going to improve their party by changing. Or are they going to double down on dumb shit. Remember- Donald Trump ran with historically liberal stances on marijuana and gay marriage. He won. Are liberals going to wake up and embrace the 2a and stop the sjw insanity? I would fear this if our goal is getting Republicans elected. The message of socialism is still well received by a lot of people. Combine it with anti-gun, anti-white, anti-reality sjw nonsense and it becomes unpalatable. |
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This is the purpose of the thread. Are liberals going to improve their party by changing. Or are they going to double down on dumb shit. Remember- Donald Trump ran with historically liberal stances on marijuana and gay marriage. He won. Are liberals going to wake up and embrace the 2a and stop the sjw insanity? I would fear this if our goal is getting Republicans elected. The message of socialism is still well received by a lot of people. Combine it with anti-gun, anti-white, anti-reality sjw nonsense and it becomes unpalatable. Quoted:
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So you decided to take responsibility for yourself, educate yourself and prepare. Versus the left who just has a hissy fit like a toddler at the grocery store who wants candy. Are liberals going to improve their party by changing. Or are they going to double down on dumb shit. Remember- Donald Trump ran with historically liberal stances on marijuana and gay marriage. He won. Are liberals going to wake up and embrace the 2a and stop the sjw insanity? I would fear this if our goal is getting Republicans elected. The message of socialism is still well received by a lot of people. Combine it with anti-gun, anti-white, anti-reality sjw nonsense and it becomes unpalatable. Trump didn't win because of these positions because the media successfully lied and ran an excellent smear campaign against him. I am sure some intelligent people looked past the nonsense and voted for him due to his more socially libertarian stance, but they are likely in the minority. I think it is better than running an openly homophobic person for office, but make no mistake, these reasons were not why Trump won. |
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The key to the future is fiscal conservative, social moderate for politicians.
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'm not going to force someone to bake a cake for you but you can marry whoever you want. I don't give a shit. Doesn't affect me one iota. Go be happy. |
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In on this shit show.
I mostly agree with OP except that a lot of libertarians fucking suck (IE: open borders and thinking Gary the Snail is worth masturbating to) Quoted:
The key to the future is fiscal conservative, social moderate for politicians. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'm not going to force someone to bake a cake for you but you can marry whoever you want. I don't give a shit. Doesn't affect me one iota. Go be happy. |
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When it comes to borders, remember this: EVERY other modern nation on the planet has more secure borders and more strict immigration laws than the US. Yes absolutely goods, services, talent, and tourism should be unhampered in entering our nation, but without real and true borders we have no nation. And do you really want to see what this planet would look like without the US as the Alpha? Not me. Quoted:
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I'll concede the borders issue because our system is already overtaxed and we can't afford the extra Democrat voters. Once we reign in progressivism, I'll be back to fight you on this. Language Currency Sovereignty |