Posted: 7/15/2017 11:46:18 PM EDT
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My grandfather was drafted for Korea in 1952, but he did not make it there before the fighting stopped. So he was sent to West Germany instead for the duration of his enlistment. While there he picked up a variety of things. One thing was a Nazi battle flag. Its been in a zip lock bag for a couple decades at least.
I wanted to look it up to see if it is significant in any way or valuable. I do not have any pictures of the flag itaelf, but I will write out the markings that are on the end where the loops are. N.V.P.F. v VLISSINGEN & CO'S KATOENFABER. HELMOND (HOLLAND) And then on the other end of the white binder: Kr. FL. 80 x 135 It looks like this one taken from Google images: Attached File Any help or information would be great. I also have an early Nazi party armband put away somewhere (currently movimg, so can't find it right now) with the German price tags still glued on the inside in pre-Nazi marks. |
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Kreigsmarine flag. 80cm x 135cm
http://www.usmbooks.com/KM_flag.html |
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That is the naval ensign
Also technically used for the armed forces in general. Here is the US naval Jack: Attached File |
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My dad had a shit ton of Nazi garbage just because it was laying around everywhere when he was a kid. Bayonets, flags, helmets, boots, rifle stocks, even guns before the Soviets confiscated all of them. Apparently a lot of Germans met their unfortunate and well deserved end by Russians in Poland during World War II. I think his favorite thing was an SS hat that had a bullet hole right where the forehead would've been.
He said when he was a kid, they would just scavenge all this garbage and trade with each other. Kids loved that kind of shit. For a variety of reasons, it could not be allowed to leave Poland, but I'm pretty sure it would be worth millions to some fucked up collectors in the US. I think the only thing the old man ever kept was an SS officer's Death's Head. He said he used to carry around to remind himself not to let that kind of evil ever happen again. Pretty fitting for a rabbi, I guess. |
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I have one my wife's grandfather brought back from WWII. I store it the same as you, in a ziplock bag in my safe. I need a better way to store it. http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23077/76742.JPG 
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My dad had a shit ton of Nazi garbage just because it was laying around everywhere when he was a kid. Bayonets, flags, helmets, boots, rifle stocks, even guns before the Soviets confiscated all of them. Apparently a lot of Germans met their unfortunate and well deserved end by Russians in Poland during World War II. I think his favorite thing was an SS hat that had a bullet hole right where the forehead would've been. He said when he was a kid, they would just scavenge all this garbage and trade with each other. Kids loved that kind of shit. For a variety of reasons, it could not be allowed to leave Poland, but I'm pretty sure it would be worth millions to some fucked up collectors in the US. I think the only thing the old man ever kept was an SS officer's Death's Head. He said he used to carry around to remind himself not to let that kind of evil ever happen again. Pretty fitting for a rabbi, I guess. 
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This!!
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Yea, I used to think people who wanted that stuff were fucked up. Thing is, like it or not, it's a piece of history: I'd buy some of that stuff if I had the spare bux. Just b/c you have a Nazi flag doesn't make you a Nazi; hell, I've got Mein Kampf around somewhere, along with Marx's Little Red Book and a Koran. Doesn't mean I'm a Nazi, commie, or goatfucker. |
| Got a big nazi battle flag an uncle traded a buddy of his when he was a kid back in the late 60s for a 48 star flag. One side is covered in the names and hometowns of GIs. He tacked it up in his bedroom and his dad (my grandpa) went apeshit. Came down and put away and he eventually gave it to me. I can only imagine all the stories all those names could tell |
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dude that looks brand new 
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So much stuff is faked and it seems like they started humping nazi regalia after the last shot was fired. 70 year old parts daggers are common.
I pretty much stick to weapons but you even have to be careful there. The last thing I found was a 26.5mm German WWII “Leuchtpistol M42” (LP-42), Flare Pistol. As far as i know they haven't faked those yet. 
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| That stuff was outlawed in Germany after the war (de-nazification). If he was there in the 50's, I'd get it authenticated; reproduction stuff started that far back. If he traveled around Europe it could be very real (or not) if he acquired it outside of Germany. Not trying to rain on your parade, just sayin'. |
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That stuff was outlawed in Germany after the war (de-nazification). If he was there in the 50's, I'd get it authenticated; reproduction stuff started that far back. If he traveled around Europe it could be very real (or not) if he acquired it outside of Germany. Not trying to rain on your parade, just sayin'. |
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That is the naval ensign Also technically used for the armed forces in general. Here is the US naval Jack: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/284035/gdhs-2270-327285503-255102.JPG
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That stuff was outlawed in Germany after the war (de-nazification). If he was there in the 50's, I'd get it authenticated; reproduction stuff started that far back. If he traveled around Europe it could be very real (or not) if he acquired it outside of Germany. Not trying to rain on your parade, just sayin'. |
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Now you've got me curious. I don't doubt the stories my wife's grandfather told me about the war or that he collected these things while there but where would one go to get them authenticated? |
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I don't know why people go ape shit about people collecting Nazi stuff.I have been deeply interested since I was 10 and the 1st thing I got was a BYF luger my mom got us for $20 and I have collected a few other items.People think that if you like this stuff you must be a follower which is bullshit.There are more collectors of this stuff than just about other period.Back in the days you could get a really good SS helmet for less than $50,now they go for over 5 grand.Shows you that it is a very collectable era.Attached File |
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Quite a few books out there dealing with Nazi reproductions. From what I understand, even after we conquered Germany, the factories that made flags, medals, etc. were kept running to keep the populace working and many GIs who didn't make it over there before the combat was over bought these things as war trophies. Quoted:
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Now you've got me curious. I don't doubt the stories my wife's grandfather told me about the war or that he collected these things while there but where would one go to get them authenticated? I wouldn't doubt the stories your wife's grandfather told you either, knowing the history of the item is part of the "neato " factor. He might have believed what he got in the early 50's was the real thing , and it may very well be. But, if I were a novice collector looking to buy them from a stranger , I'd get a second opinion on them just to be sure they were what the pedigree says they are. Trust but verify type thing. I have most of the items my father brought home from the war (he gave some to a museum). I know they're the real thing because I know who, how, where and when they were acquired. In addition to the oral history, I have my dad's letters home telling my grandfather about how he captured some of the items. I have no idea what they are worth and I don't really care because they're priceless to me and I have no intention to ever sell them. I just hope one day my daughter or her kids will have the same interest in what her grandfather did and how they came to be in her eventual custody. |