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7/4/2017 3:56:28 PM EDT




delivers starting this week.
7/4/2017 4:00:56 PM EDT
[#1]
No, thanks.
7/4/2017 4:02:01 PM EDT
[#2]
I really wish they would make them a little more sporty.  I just can't get on the tesla train until then.
7/4/2017 4:30:20 PM EDT
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Damn!  You know things even Elon Musk doesn't know!!!

Tesla (TSLA) CEO Elon Musk tweeted Sunday night on the West Coast there will be a "handover party" for the first 30 Model 3 sedans on July 28.
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7/4/2017 4:35:51 PM EDT
[#4]
I'll probably get one in a couple years if they have a hatchback version with AWD, unless something better comes out by then.  My solar panels are creating excess power, so I might as well use it to gas up my car.
7/4/2017 4:36:39 PM EDT
[#5]
AP2 is fucking beautiful

https://youtu.be/zI39Bm2m0a4
7/4/2017 4:37:49 PM EDT
[#6]
I would like an electric car. But not from musk.
7/4/2017 4:38:32 PM EDT
[#7]
No, because the range is too limited, so despite the $7500.00  government cost subsidy, I won't be buying one.

I'd be interested if it exhibited greater range though.
7/4/2017 4:39:01 PM EDT
[#8]
Nope, not because I wouldn't like one, but I don't like the current Federal subsidies, and the fact that Musk basically exists due to tax credits
7/4/2017 4:39:40 PM EDT
[#9]
$97,000 In options. WTF?
7/4/2017 4:47:27 PM EDT
[#10]
NOPE
7/4/2017 4:52:39 PM EDT
[#11]
You passed on the Ghibli... pick one up and give us a review
7/4/2017 4:53:06 PM EDT
[#12]
No thanks, I like gasoline and horsepower. 'Merica.
7/4/2017 4:55:55 PM EDT
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AP2 is fucking beautiful

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Lane keeping with cruise control and auto braking.  I drove a Toyota Camry rental car three weeks ago with this same capability.  What am I missing?  It's just level 2 autonomy like a lot of cars have had for several years now.
7/4/2017 4:57:45 PM EDT
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Nope, not because I wouldn't like one, but I don't like the current Federal subsidies, and the fact that Musk basically exists due to tax credits
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Ever heard of Paypal, SpaceX, etc?
7/4/2017 4:58:21 PM EDT
[#15]



for 130k or 160k I get a 911

and not that thing
7/4/2017 4:58:36 PM EDT
[#16]
lol
7/4/2017 4:59:05 PM EDT
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Nope, not because I wouldn't like one, but I don't like the current Federal subsidies, and the fact that Musk basically exists due to tax credits
Ever heard of Paypal, SpaceX, etc?
Do you think SpaceX is not subsidized?
7/4/2017 5:00:06 PM EDT
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Nope, not because I wouldn't like one, but I don't like the current Federal subsidies, and the fact that Musk basically exists due to tax credits
Ever heard of Paypal, SpaceX, etc?
Do you think SpaceX is not subsidized?
my guess is much so that if that funding would go away he would be stranded
7/4/2017 5:04:13 PM EDT
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tesla 3 definitely a no, very slight maybe on model p100 

my neighbor sold both their range rover sport and mb to buy a p90 and model x at the same time.

now they rent a suv on a vacation trip long drive  
7/4/2017 5:11:52 PM EDT
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Lane keeping with cruise control and auto braking.  I drove a Toyota Camry rental car three weeks ago with this same capability.  What am I missing?  It's just level 2 autonomy like a lot of cars have had for several years now.
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AP2 is fucking beautiful

https://youtu.be/zI39Bm2m0a4
Lane keeping with cruise control and auto braking.  I drove a Toyota Camry rental car three weeks ago with this same capability.  What am I missing?  It's just level 2 autonomy like a lot of cars have had for several years now.
Your rental Camry could steer itself? 
7/4/2017 5:12:59 PM EDT
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If we are using the GD definition, which is actually not even close to the actual definition, then yes. SpaceX seem to be surviving on both government and civilian contracts. Not sure why lots of larger companies get a pass while Tesla catches all the flack for following the same rules and tactics as everyone else.
7/4/2017 5:15:38 PM EDT
[#22]
Brother inlaw is apparently.
7/4/2017 5:25:43 PM EDT
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$97,000 In options. WTF?
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That's the first thing I saw. So I can get 3 more cars in options???
7/4/2017 5:45:17 PM EDT
[#24]
Delorean.
7/4/2017 5:49:13 PM EDT
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Paypal... the company that bans customers for buying anything related to firearms.
7/4/2017 5:50:45 PM EDT
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Nope, not because I wouldn't like one, but I don't like the current Federal subsidies, and the fact that Musk basically exists due to tax credits
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7/4/2017 5:51:04 PM EDT
[#27]
naw
7/4/2017 5:51:21 PM EDT
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Your rental Camry could steer itself? 
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Your rental Camry could steer itself? 
http://www.toyota-global.com/innovation/safety_technology/safety_technology/technology_file/active/lka.html

When the Radar Cruise Control is activated and the system senses the vehicle deviating from its lane, the system helps the car stay on course near the center of the lane by continuously applying a small amount of counter-steering force.
I didn't attempt to test the system since, as a rental car, I had no idea what capabilities it was supposed to have.  I didn't want to start wandering across lanes waiting for it to activate so I maintained positive control of the steering wheel to stay in my lane.  I don't see that the description from above is different than what was shown in the video of a Tesla from earlier in this thread.  Having said that, my daily driver is a 2006 with basically squat for driver assist, so there may be subtle things I lack the experience to recognize.

This video from several years ago shows Toyota's technology at the time:




Keep in mind, despite Tesla calling it "Autopilot", it's still just level 2 autonomy.  It's not self driving.  You're still expected to actively monitor the state of the vehicle and surroundings, and you're expected to be ready to retake control instantly.
7/4/2017 5:53:43 PM EDT
[#29]
Eventually, yes. Hopefully by then they'll have something like the Model 3 with a normal dashboard and less expensive.
7/4/2017 5:54:12 PM EDT
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I like the exterior... but there is NO instrument cluster in front of the driver. Yep. There is no instrument cluster... and no, there is no Head Up Display projected on the windshield.

That just baffles me. I want to have a fucking instrument cluster IN FRONT OF ME. I don't want to have to look at the screen in the middle of the dash to see pertinent information. I don't care if the car CAN fucking drive itself! I also don't like the idea of a touchscreen to run everything. Sure, it's cool, and you can do cool shit with it, but when you're driving and your attention needs to be ON THE FUCKING ROAD, you can't be hunting around on a touch screen looking for the right menu and the right thing... you have to LOOK AT IT to be able to touch the correct place.

I've got a first gen Volt, and the center stack is almost all capacitive touch 'buttons'. I don't like it because you have to LOOK AT IT to make sure you touch the right place. Chevy nixed that shit with the Bolt and put some fucking knobs and buttons back in the car.
7/4/2017 5:58:17 PM EDT
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I like the exterior... but there is NO instrument cluster in front of the driver. Yep. There is no instrument cluster... and no, there is no Head Up Display projected on the windshield.

That just baffles me. I want to have a fucking instrument cluster IN FRONT OF ME. I don't want to have to look at the screen in the middle of the dash to see pertinent information. I don't care if the car CAN fucking drive itself! I also don't like the idea of a touchscreen to run everything. Sure, it's cool, and you can do cool shit with it, but when you're driving and your attention needs to be ON THE FUCKING ROAD, you can't be hunting around on a touch screen looking for the right menu and the right thing... you have to LOOK AT IT to be able to touch the correct place.

I've got a first gen Volt, and the center stack is almost all capacitive touch 'buttons'. I don't like it because you have to LOOK AT IT to make sure you touch the right place. Chevy nixed that shit with the Bolt and put some fucking knobs and buttons back in the car.
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how the fuck is that even legal?! fuck tesla and musk
7/4/2017 6:07:53 PM EDT
[#32]
LOL! I'd rather take that $97,000 in options and buy a bmw.

Is the base model such a POS that you need $97,000 in options?

I can see it now.

Base model: $35,000
75 mile range battery: included
Options:
200 mile range battery: $75,000
300 mile range battery: $97,000

7/4/2017 6:10:06 PM EDT
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I've got a first gen Volt, and the center stack is almost all capacitive touch 'buttons'. I don't like it because you have to LOOK AT IT to make sure you touch the right place. Chevy nixed that shit with the Bolt and put some fucking knobs and buttons back in the car.
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Probably took the knobs and buttons off to save weight: "Every ounce counts!"
7/4/2017 6:11:13 PM EDT
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7/4/2017 6:11:28 PM EDT
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how the fuck is that even legal?! fuck tesla and musk
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I like the exterior... but there is NO instrument cluster in front of the driver. Yep. There is no instrument cluster... and no, there is no Head Up Display projected on the windshield.

That just baffles me. I want to have a fucking instrument cluster IN FRONT OF ME. I don't want to have to look at the screen in the middle of the dash to see pertinent information. I don't care if the car CAN fucking drive itself! I also don't like the idea of a touchscreen to run everything. Sure, it's cool, and you can do cool shit with it, but when you're driving and your attention needs to be ON THE FUCKING ROAD, you can't be hunting around on a touch screen looking for the right menu and the right thing... you have to LOOK AT IT to be able to touch the correct place.

I've got a first gen Volt, and the center stack is almost all capacitive touch 'buttons'. I don't like it because you have to LOOK AT IT to make sure you touch the right place. Chevy nixed that shit with the Bolt and put some fucking knobs and buttons back in the car.
how the fuck is that even legal?! fuck tesla and musk
Obama gave them a dispensation because, you know, it's green and shit.
7/4/2017 6:15:42 PM EDT
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I like the exterior... but there is NO instrument cluster in front of the driver. Yep. There is no instrument cluster... and no, there is no Head Up Display projected on the windshield.

That just baffles me. I want to have a fucking instrument cluster IN FRONT OF ME. I don't want to have to look at the screen in the middle of the dash to see pertinent information. I don't care if the car CAN fucking drive itself! I also don't like the idea of a touchscreen to run everything. Sure, it's cool, and you can do cool shit with it, but when you're driving and your attention needs to be ON THE FUCKING ROAD, you can't be hunting around on a touch screen looking for the right menu and the right thing... you have to LOOK AT IT to be able to touch the correct place.

I've got a first gen Volt, and the center stack is almost all capacitive touch 'buttons'. I don't like it because you have to LOOK AT IT to make sure you touch the right place. Chevy nixed that shit with the Bolt and put some fucking knobs and buttons back in the car.
how the fuck is that even legal?! fuck tesla and musk
What part should be illegal? The part where the instruments aren't directly in front of the driver? If so you should be cussing at Mini also and a couple other companies. The part about not having buttons and only have touch screen for activating the vehicles options? Yea fuck every cat manufacturer on the market right now because they all do it.
7/4/2017 6:17:49 PM EDT
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I like the exterior... but there is NO instrument cluster in front of the driver. Yep. There is no instrument cluster... and no, there is no Head Up Display projected on the windshield.

That just baffles me. I want to have a fucking instrument cluster IN FRONT OF ME. I don't want to have to look at the screen in the middle of the dash to see pertinent information. I don't care if the car CAN fucking drive itself! I also don't like the idea of a touchscreen to run everything. Sure, it's cool, and you can do cool shit with it, but when you're driving and your attention needs to be ON THE FUCKING ROAD, you can't be hunting around on a touch screen looking for the right menu and the right thing... you have to LOOK AT IT to be able to touch the correct place.

I've got a first gen Volt, and the center stack is almost all capacitive touch 'buttons'. I don't like it because you have to LOOK AT IT to make sure you touch the right place. Chevy nixed that shit with the Bolt and put some fucking knobs and buttons back in the car.
how the fuck is that even legal?! fuck tesla and musk




and i thought you knew about cars 
7/4/2017 7:15:58 PM EDT
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Bet!
7/4/2017 7:21:32 PM EDT
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Probably took the knobs and buttons off to save weight: "Every ounce counts!"
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No, they did it because "ooh! aah! Touchscreens and touch buttons!"

They left the spare tire out to save weight!!
7/4/2017 8:35:42 PM EDT
[#40]
If you order a Tesla Model 3, make certain that you ask for the Arfcom discount. 
7/4/2017 9:07:42 PM EDT
[#41]
i sure as shit would like to see a source on that $97,000 in options on the model 3 and unless you preordered a year ago you aren't getting one until at least 2019.

I'm guessing like most "entry" level luxury cars 3 series, C-class, A4 you will be able to add about 20,000 to 25,000 in options/trim levels over the base price.
7/4/2017 9:08:41 PM EDT
[#42]
No [shakes head from side to side three times]...
7/4/2017 9:27:18 PM EDT
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I think Musk actually exists because well... when a mommy and daddy love each other...
7/5/2017 11:10:21 AM EDT
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delivers starting this week.
Damn!  You know things even Elon Musk doesn't know!!!

Tesla (TSLA) CEO Elon Musk tweeted Sunday night on the West Coast there will be a "handover party" for the first 30 Model 3 sedans on July 28.
maybe he *is* Elon Musk?
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/3/15903114/elon-musk-announces-first-tesla-model-3-release-date
7/5/2017 2:25:26 PM EDT
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I put a down payment on one but took my name off the list after the dealer's latest projection is 2019 delivery.
7/5/2017 2:29:55 PM EDT
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7/5/2017 2:32:26 PM EDT
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Paypal... the company that bans customers for buying anything related to firearms.
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Ever heard of Paypal, SpaceX, etc?
Paypal... the company that bans customers for buying anything related to firearms.
What does that have to do with my reply? Even so, their company their rules. Start your own payment company if you don't like it.
7/5/2017 2:34:12 PM EDT
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The lack of a traditional dash cluster or HUD really turned me off to the model 3.
7/5/2017 2:40:08 PM EDT
[#49]
Nah I'm getting a Ferrari instead
7/5/2017 2:47:15 PM EDT
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2019 deliver?

Sounds like Tucker redux.
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