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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:23:05 AM EDT
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Do any of you guys shoot? Do you pay any attention to any kind of instruction? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:29:04 AM EDT
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Edit: If you want to see what training videos looked like before Haley/Costa/Magpul go and google Lenny Magill 
TBH, I learned a lot from the Magpul videos including many tips I still use. My philosophy is that I can learn something from even the worst instructor, even if it's "don't do it that way". I've picked up HUGE benefits from the most unlikely places because of the one thing they got right. Costa & Haley did us a great service and the videos still mostly hold up. They seem like good guys, especially Haley. Hope he doesn't disappoint me like PatMac 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:37:12 AM EDT
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If you are interested in tightening up that costa clamp of yours, you can for a small fee get the training you are looking for:
http://costaludus.com/index.php?route=training/category&path=59 |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:07:23 AM EDT
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He doesn't endanger students or do dumb shit like Voda or Tactical Response. The country is full of NRA basic pistol "instructors" and half assed LE "trainers" that are joke. People that seek that level of basic training usually don't know enough to avoid them. I just don't get it. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:09:01 AM EDT
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I wish the search function could find all the old archived threads in the Magpul forum when the first Magpul Dynamics video came out. Sweet Jesus it was a.full on knob slobbing by members here. I'm surprised Costa and Haley don't have permanent damage to their junk because of all the jock riders.
If those threads can be brought back from the depths it would be very entertaining to say the least. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:23:08 AM EDT
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I am always surprised people still ask similar questions. After all this time and people on this website and in this "community" don't know who: Travis Haley Chris Costa Pat McNamara Paul Howe are... I bet I can throw out, Mike Lamb Kyle Lamb (No relation) Jeff Gonzales Pat Rogers Clint Smith Jeff Cooper John Plaster Chris Sajnog Todd Hodnett and you fuckers probably don't know half if any of these guys. This is a firearms website. Do any of you guys shoot? Do you pay any attention to any kind of instruction? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:25:31 AM EDT
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Sadly, the answer to those questions for many here is not an affirming one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do any of you guys shoot? Do you pay any attention to any kind of instruction? 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:42:23 AM EDT
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I would take a class with Costa, if I could afford it, which I can't most likely
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:58:10 AM EDT
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I wish the search function could find all the old archived threads in the Magpul forum when the first Magpul Dynamics video came out. Sweet Jesus it was a.full on knob slobbing by members here. I'm surprised Costa and Haley don't have permanent damage to their junk because of all the jock riders. If those threads can be brought back from the depths it would be very entertaining to say the least. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:58:14 AM EDT
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Around that time when we all worried FBHO was going to ban everything, a real fear for some of us was not getting our ordered TOBR in time. LaRue ended up shipping us our lowers to get them on the books then we could send them back to him when he was able to build the rifles. It was a worrisome time. I was looking to buy another rifle like a Noveske or KAC but no one had anything available I even tried DD and all could find was an upper. Around that time I just so happened to be on the LaRue website when a batch of the costa rifles became available and impulse bought one because of a ban fear. I didn't know who costa was. I never shoot the thing and am hoping his reputation doesn't drop the resale value too much  |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:02:58 AM EDT
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Honestly I think most of the people who are down on Costa either weren't around or don't remember the "Before times." We are truly spoiled compared to back then.
1. Cheap ARs were $1,100-$1,200 (same price as a CRATE of skss) and only had a fixed stock, a carry handle, a fake pinned A2 birdcage and the worst pistol grip known to man. The plethora of aftermarket parts we have now barely even existed. (I still remember the first time I saw magpuls first product.) 2. Simple AR parts were EXPENSIVE. I remember having to purchase my first BCG for $290 and that was a DEAL at the time. $40-50 for standard capacity magazines. A complete lower parts kit was $120 for a cheap one. 3. Training was a joke. Especially the videos. Magpul revolutionized this aspect by having a decent production staff, good trainers, and good fundamentals. No other videos had any two of those, let alone all 3. 4. SKSs still practically ruled the world. The only thing that I miss from then was cheaper MGs and ammo. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:52:59 AM EDT
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The real heroes of this story were the HD camcorders, the cameraman, and the video editors.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 4:09:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 4:56:10 PM EDT
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I like the old MD team and think there is some good educational value in the training videos.
Most people don't have access to real world tactical training and the videos are a decent substitute. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:01:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:03:48 PM EDT
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Costa never Nd'd on camera. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:22:33 PM EDT
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Costa never Nd'd on camera. So he's got that going for him, which is nice. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:48:17 PM EDT
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Costa never Nd'd on camera. So he's got that going for him, which is nice. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:02:42 PM EDT
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Costa never Nd'd on camera. So he's got that going for him, which is nice. https://s23.postimg.org/mulklrmgb/ludass.jpg |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:04:16 PM EDT
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You guys better make sure you check out the lesser-known, but equally amazing title: Art of The Dynamic Breakfast:
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:23:50 PM EDT
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His abnormally long arms put him at the top of the list for quality firearms instructors.
I wouldn't train with anyone who has average length arms. I have standards. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:29:03 PM EDT
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A good indication you haven't done much shooting is getting all wrung out over someone putting one accidentally into the berm. It happens and you learn. I bet you're so hard corpse you practice nds |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:42:54 PM EDT
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A lot of people hate on the guy, but he helped get a lot of people into firearms.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:23:40 PM EDT
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Honestly I think most of the people who are down on Costa either weren't around or don't remember the "Before times." We are truly spoiled compared to back then. 1. Cheap ARs were $1,100-$1,200 (same price as a CRATE of skss) and only had a fixed stock, a carry handle, a fake pinned A2 birdcage and the worst pistol grip known to man. The plethora of aftermarket parts we have now barely even existed. (I still remember the first time I saw magpuls first product.) 2. Simple AR parts were EXPENSIVE. I remember having to purchase my first BCG for $290 and that was a DEAL at the time. $40-50 for standard capacity magazines. A complete lower parts kit was $120 for a cheap one. 3. Training was a joke. Especially the videos. Magpul revolutionized this aspect by having a decent production staff, good trainers, and good fundamentals. No other videos had any two of those, let alone all 3. 4. SKSs still practically ruled the world. The only thing that I miss from then was cheaper MGs and ammo. I always hate being that "old guy" Same with the Jeff Cooper and old time gunwriter threads going People do not realize how good they have it especially the twentysomethings The gun world now every single micro niche has heavy manufacturer support and insane varity at very reasonable prices A gun shop in the 80s MIGHT have had an AR but that only happened about 10% of the time If they were really high speed there might be a Norinco AK or a HK91 Fast forward to the early 90s A flat top AR HOLY SHIT might as well have been a UFO Then a short while later you have a free float varmint rifle again insanely rare and exotic shit and cost $2k Took another 5-10 years for that to became common and even at that point we're still high dollar stuff . Stuff that was insanely exotic even in 2004 gets massive Meh here And non AR stuff was extremely rare as well. There is some massive lack of perspective due to abundance nowadays in the gun world . It is weird how the gun culture has both a long and short memory. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:38:17 PM EDT
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A lot of people hate on the guy, but he helped get a lot of people into firearms. They're jelly. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:44:17 PM EDT
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Balista is just mad cause he only got a 15 on the ASVAB. Us Coasties at least had a choice! 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:03:13 PM EDT
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Costa never Nd'd on camera. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
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Posted: 7/5/2017 2:25:54 AM EDT
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Lol. I bet you're so hard corpse you practice nds Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A good indication you haven't done much shooting is getting all wrung out over someone putting one accidentally into the berm. It happens and you learn. I bet you're so hard corpse you practice nds Certain NDs during stressful handling might be one thing but lighting one off while filming because you didn't clear the weapon you are handling for the camera was a colossal fuckup that could have ended very very badly. |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 2:56:12 AM EDT
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I don't remember seeing a berm either. Certain NDs during stressful handling might be one thing but lighting one off while filming because you didn't clear the weapon you are handling for the camera was a colossal fuckup that could have ended very very badly. |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 3:22:59 AM EDT
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+1000 I always hate being that "old guy" Same with the Jeff Cooper and old time gunwriter threads going People do not realize how good they have it especially the twentysomethings The gun world now every single micro niche has heavy manufacturer support and insane varity at very reasonable prices A gun shop in the 80s MIGHT have had an AR but that only happened about 10% of the time If they were really high speed there might be a Norinco AK or a HK91 Fast forward to the early 90s A flat top AR HOLY SHIT might as well have been a UFO Then a short while later you have a free float varmint rifle again insanely rare and exotic shit and cost $2k Took another 5-10 years for that to became common and even at that point we're still high dollar stuff . Stuff that was insanely exotic even in 2004 gets massive Meh here And non AR stuff was extremely rare as well. There is some massive lack of perspective due to abundance nowadays in the gun world . It is weird how the gun culture has both a long and short memory. Flashback for me. In the 80's a friends Dad did have a couple of SP1's but I don't ever recall seeing any in the gunshops when I went to visit. Later, in the early 90's when I was looking for a semi auto rifle, I don't really seeing any AR's, so I ended up with a Poly Tech Legend. Of course there was a lot of ban hysteria around during that period, so lots of things were scarce and expensive. Mid 90's I finally did manage to pick up a Colt HBAR, that and other postban guns were easy to get, but anything other than that was just insanely expensive right up to the period of time after the AWB expired. As for Chris Costa/other training goes, again the younger guys on here should be thankful that all these guys (even Pat Mac) exist and offer classes open to the public. This wasn't the case when I was in my 20's, maybe during my 30's they were but during that time I couldn't afford it. |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 1:18:15 PM EDT
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He made a boring subject interesting. It brought in a ton of new people to the community.
Just like Happy Gilmore. They had record breaking ratings and attendance after he joined the PGA Tour. The Fudds didn't like the kind of clientele but in the end, it was good for the sport. |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 3:34:27 PM EDT
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A good indication you haven't done much shooting is getting all wrung out over someone putting one accidentally into the berm. It happens and you learn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Costa never Nd'd on camera. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
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Posted: 7/6/2017 2:11:54 AM EDT
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I never thought of it as an ND.
He was in controlled conditions and showing a dangerous technique. He had an unintentional discharge when his finger slipped. No rules were violated, no mistakes were made, and the rifle was pointed in a safe direction. It was a surprise discharge so he got gassed in the face by an AK muzzlebrake which made it look worse. |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 2:26:37 AM EDT
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My brother and I met him in the height of his popularity and he was a genuinely nice guy. We asked him questions and he answered them and shot the shit with us for a bit. He also has a sense of humor about himself.
One of the original threads |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 2:41:03 AM EDT
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Unapologetic Costa fan here. He's good people.
Costa is a great guy and a very effective teacher. He genuinely seems to care about everyone in his class actually learning something. He has a great self-deprecating sense of humor and is a lot of fun to be around. Positive attitude and a cool dude to hang out with. Haley is cool to be around too, but Haley's personality is much more serious and analytical. Two completely different personalities and teaching styles, but both excellent at what they do. I'm extremely grateful to both of them for what they did for us regular guys with their Magpul series of videos. |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 9:53:13 AM EDT
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He made a boring subject interesting. It brought in a ton of new people to the community. Just like Happy Gilmore. They had record breaking ratings and attendance after he joined the PGA Tour. The Fudds didn't like the kind of clientele but in the end, it was good for the sport. Him and his long ass arms are at one with his soul. When he shoots, it's like watching Mozart tongue kiss Leonardo da Vinci. 
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Posted: 7/6/2017 9:54:56 AM EDT
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So am I not allowed to like Travis Haley or does that make me gay?
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Posted: 7/6/2017 12:11:35 PM EDT
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I never thought of it as an ND. He was in controlled conditions and showing a dangerous technique. He had an unintentional discharge when his finger slipped. No rules were violated, no mistakes were made, and the rifle was pointed in a safe direction. It was a surprise discharge so he got gassed in the face by an AK muzzlebrake which made it look worse. |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 2:35:44 PM EDT
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The gun went off unintentionally. That's called a negligent discharge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never thought of it as an ND. He was in controlled conditions and showing a dangerous technique. He had an unintentional discharge when his finger slipped. No rules were violated, no mistakes were made, and the rifle was pointed in a safe direction. It was a surprise discharge so he got gassed in the face by an AK muzzlebrake which made it look worse. For those that haven't seen it |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 3:33:09 PM EDT
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It's a entertainment industry. He entertains and let's guys live out their tier 1 fantasies. Sure he has plenty of good things to teach but that's not what most guys are there for. It's for selfies and to feel high speed. If I wasn't poor, fat and low speed I would go to a costa class then flood my social media with that shit.
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Posted: 7/6/2017 7:14:46 PM EDT
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The gun went off unintentionally. That's called a negligent discharge. Unintentional Discharge is an umbrella term used in the firearms community that covers all types of discharges, including cook offs and mechanical failures. Since he was intentionally displaying a dangerous method that could result in the rifle unintentionally firing, and he was on a hot range, he probably gets an accidental discharge, not a negligent. An accidental discharge was a possibility with this technique and he knew that going in. He was just surprised when it happened since he was attempting to be extra careful to prevent it. Negligent discharge requires a different set of circumstances. Maybe we need a new term such as Controlled Training Unintentional Discharge to highlight the difference. |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 7:45:41 PM EDT
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Intentional Discharge Induced by Overt Training
You could refer to it by its initials for short. |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 8:02:11 PM EDT
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 Hunting Pandas With Chris Costa |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 8:07:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/6/2017 8:15:23 PM EDT
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Chris Costa? Never heard of her..
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Posted: 7/6/2017 8:16:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI like mem wars!
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Posted: 7/6/2017 8:16:31 PM EDT
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Has anyone ever done any physical properties of his ape arm technique, and if it actually does anything better than any other way of holding it? If you try it you will see faster sight picture movement. I have heard that maybe it's just good for three and not for shooting faces but YMMV I am throughly a sucky amateur. He gets so much hate for how popular he is/was. |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 8:18:42 PM EDT
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No. Unintentional Discharge is an umbrella term used in the firearms community that covers all types of discharges, including cook offs and mechanical failures. Since he was intentionally displaying a dangerous method that could result in the rifle unintentionally firing, and he was on a hot range, he probably gets an accidental discharge, not a negligent. An accidental discharge was a possibility with this technique and he knew that going in. He was just surprised when it happened since he was attempting to be extra careful to prevent it. Negligent discharge requires a different set of circumstances. Maybe we need a new term such as Controlled Training Unintentional Discharge to highlight the difference. Good. It's was still an ND. He should have been demonstrating with an empty and cleared gun. It was an ND. And no. A cook off is a cook off, a hang fire is a hang fire etc. An ND is an ND. Sorry to burst your bubble. He owned up to it in a round about way without out ever saying it was a negligent discharge. But hey. Better than the Pat Mac debacle. |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 8:20:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/6/2017 9:06:34 PM EDT
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So he revolutionized the stance used to aim an AR15, while simultaneously burning your support hand from holding too close to the flashhider, and squatting in an uncomfortable position while wearing cowboy boots?  Comfort has little to do with it. he is supported kneeling but he is able to stand very quickly. |
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