[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Community Project: Ammo Display (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/24/2017 10:38:49 PM EDT
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***Update: Message me for address. I have .223, 22, 9mm, 308, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 300 blackout, 7.62x54r, 8mm Mauser. **
I dont think this classifies as a fund raiser, so here we go: I was at a gun show today when my father asked me "what is the difference between 22lr and 223." Now, my father isn't a gun guy, but he has a slight idea on the naming convention of many rounds. That got me thinking, I would love to have a display of all types of rounds of ammo in my apartment for college. Not only because it would look cool, but it would be a neat way to show differences between rounds. Now the easy part is setting up the display. The hard part would be getting the ammo. I have many different types of ammo, but cannot afford to buy 20 round boxes of every caliber of ammo to only use one round. So I am going to use the power of the internet. I know I would have to pay for large rounds like a 25 or 20mm round, but wondered if we could crowd source this project. To ship one round across the country wouldnt cost more than a hamburger. I think this would look pretty cool and be a cool thing to set in my living room. Maybe it can get people who come over into the 2A. This photo can give you an idea of what I am thinking, just maybe displayed a little nicer. 
So what do yall think? **If this needs to be moved it can. To those who think it is dumb, thats fine. But you can never get anything done without trying, so I am trying.** |
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I can look through all my duplicates for you
I know I have a zip lock bag with all the common use Centerfire deer hunting rounds My collection includes thousands of different rounds from common to cupfire,teat fire,pin fire and a whole lot of different. 50bmg Also have almost 1 of every style of rim fire rounds from the 1800s to today and lots of original civil war and Indian war rounds. I'm a cartridge collection nerd 
I have mine in shadow boxes and on trays and use a scanner to record the headstamp and then make up a spreadsheet as well. |
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I dont think this classifies as a fund raiser, so here we go: I was at a gun show today when my father asked me "what is the difference between 22lr and 223." Now, my father isn't a gun guy, but he has a slight idea on the naming convention of many rounds. That got me thinking, I would love to have a display of all types of rounds of ammo in my apartment for college. Not only because it would look cool, but it would be a neat way to show differences between rounds. Now the easy part is setting up the display. The hard part would be getting the ammo. I have many different types of ammo, but cannot afford to buy 20 round boxes of every caliber of ammo to only use one round. So I am going to use the power of the internet. I know I would have to pay for large rounds like a 25 or 20mm round, but wondered if we could crowd source this project. To ship one round across the country wouldnt cost more than a hamburger. I think this would look pretty cool and be a cool thing to set in my living room. Maybe it can get people who come over into the 2A. This photo can give you an idea of what I am thinking, just maybe displayed a little nicer. http://i39.tinypic.com/2prbic8.jpg So what do yall think? **If this needs to be moved it can. To those who think it is dumb, thats fine. But you can never get anything done without trying, so I am trying.** Isn't there a set fee for shipping ammo? hazmat? I have a dummy (no primer, no powder) .375 Ruger i can mail you though. PM me if interested. edit... I may be able to assemble a .300 weatherby, 30-06, .44 special, .44 mag and maybe a 30-30 dummy round as well, if I can find some brass in my spare junk bucket. |
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I'd be glad to send a variety of cartridges your way. Do you want only common ammo, or wildcats, too?
Also, a suggestion. It would be a lot easier to mail dummy rounds (case and bullet, but no primer or powder) than loaded ammunition. I'd be glad to make up a display-only version each time I reload a batch. In addition, display rounds could make use of otherwise-useless cases, e.g. loose primer pockets or cracked necks. (Just turn the split around on your display so it's not visible.) You might have a lot more volunteers to send you a few rounds if they used cases which would otherwise be scrap. Send me an IM with your mailing address, and an idea of which rounds you'd like to receive. Â ETA: Just a brief look through my used brass yielded .22 Hornet, .222, .223, .250 Savage, .257 Roberts, 7.62x39, .308, .38 Spl, .357 Mag, .44 Spl, .44 Mag , .45 ACP, .380 ACP, .300 WinMag, 7mm-08, 6.5x55, 7x57, 9mm Largo, 9mm Luger, 9x23, .358 Winchester, .30-30, 35 Remington, and a few others. So you've got those covered. |
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I can look through all my duplicates for you I know I have a zip lock bag with all the common use Centerfire deer hunting rounds My collection includes thousands of different rounds from common to cupfire,teat fire,pin fire and a whole lot of different. 50bmg Also have almost 1 of every style of rim fire rounds from the 1800s to today and lots of original civil war and Indian war rounds. I'm a cartridge collection nerd
I have mine in shadow boxes and on trays and use a scanner to record the headstamp and then make up a spreadsheet as well. |
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I can look through all my duplicates for you I know I have a zip lock bag with all the common use Centerfire deer hunting rounds My collection includes thousands of different rounds from common to cupfire,teat fire,pin fire and a whole lot of different. 50bmg Also have almost 1 of every style of rim fire rounds from the 1800s to today and lots of original civil war and Indian war rounds. I'm a cartridge collection nerd
I have mine in shadow boxes and on trays and use a scanner to record the headstamp and then make up a spreadsheet as well. |
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@mdguy90 @SouthernWoodworking
I know I've posted some pics of the 50s here before as well as a few guess this round threads At least I think it was here lol Once I get fully moved into my new place I will do a thread on it. Have some cool and rare rounds, sad thing is that the more knowledgeable guys are all older and passing away and all the history goes with them. There is an older guy I've made friends with and he's taught me a bunch and has given me some cool rounds or leads on where to get them. If you look at the books Cartridges of the World, I have almost every round in that book except for the wildcat sections, have some of those but real no interest right now with those as I'm trying to fill other parts of my collection. That book is a decent starting point but it doesn't list everything. There are a few holes in my collection and for some rounds I have waited years for one to show up. I don't even want to start to think of how much I have spent on them but I know I could of bought a nice car or small house with the funds 
One collection I always go back and look at is the handgun cartridges, the obsolete to today's modern rounds are mind blowing and the older rounds are laughably weak like the velo dog One thing is that I don't collect (right now anyway) just one calibre and then try to get a sample of every style there is, maybe in a few years I may but right now I'm happy with just a few of each in my collection. OP, send me an IM and I can start to go through my spares and can donate some to you 
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Can send some of the following:
30_40 Krag 7mm-08 30 rem 7mm rem mag 30-30 32-20 45-70 270 wcf 35 rem 30-30 Remington 38 wcf 30-06 250-3000 257 Robert's Will look at others and see I just had these handy 38spl 44spl 32 short rimfire 223 wssm 45GAP 6.8spc 38-50 32 auto 7.62x54r 38-55 38s&w 45 auto 221 rem 40-72 wcf 405wcf 25/25/86 aka, 25-25 222 rem mag 17hmr .50bmg orange tip (TW45 headstamp) 32 s&w 380 auto 25 rimfire long 7.62nagant 12ga 00 buck in clear she'll 8x58R Danish Krag 1927 Danish mfg 8x57JR 243win For the older rounds, keep the patina on them unless you really want each round to be shiny and new looking. And use a ultra fine tip marker to write the Cal on the casing so you can just grab it and ID it, no tape or paper labels |
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I have spares of the following
.22 Mag .380 .38S&W .40S&W .45ACP .45Colt .44Mag .38SPL .30Carbine 30-30 .32 Winchester 30-06 .308 .303 Brit .243 I thought I had 6.8spc and .38 super and I might have some .270, but need to keep looking. IM me if you need any. I have several cases that say .300 Savage, but I can be certain thats what they actually are. I can send one anyway. I have some brass case 12 gauge you can have one of thsoe too if it would fit in your collection. |
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I would love to see a ammo reference/history subfourm on here, I know we have a ammo one but that is more for modern ammo.
There are some collectors here and it would be a cool place to show their collection and teach others the history and development of cartridges |
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I have a collection similar to that. Started collecting just various types of .22 rimfire, then friends found out and started donating old ammo that they would come across in garage sales.
I have about twice what is shown in the photo, including a lot of 19th century ammo and some Civil War ammo. All but 5-6 rounds have been identified. The mystery rounds are very old big game cartridges, very large cases, very large caliber, no headstamps, old-style primers. |
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Ditto. I've only got about 15 types, though. Like OP, I don't want to buy a whole box of each, though. 
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I have a collection similar to that. Started collecting just various types of .22 rimfire, then friends found out and started donating old ammo that they would come across in garage sales. I have about twice what is shown in the photo, including a lot of 19th century ammo and some Civil War ammo. All but 5-6 rounds have been identified. The mystery rounds are very old big game cartridges, very large cases, very large caliber, no headstamps, old-style primers. Posted pics of the mystery rounds and some measurements of the rim, oal,and Dia May be able to help as I have a good sized collection of British sporting/hunting rounds As well as civil war stuff up to arty and a large amount of Grape shot and the like.
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@BikerNut Posted pics of the mystery rounds and some measurements of the rim, oal,and Dia May be able to help as I have a good sized collection of British sporting/hunting rounds As well as civil war stuff up to arty and a large amount of Grape shot and the like. I've done web research but to no avail. |
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Can send some of the following: 30_40 Krag 7mm-08 30 rem 7mm rem mag 30-30 32-20 45-70 270 wcf 35 rem 30-30 Remington 38 wcf 30-06 250-3000 257 Robert's Will look at others and see I just had these handy 38spl 44spl 32 short rimfire 223 wssm 45GAP 6.8spc 38-50 32 auto 7.62x54r 38-55 38s&w 45 auto 221 rem 40-72 wcf 405wcf 25/25/86 aka, 25-25 222 rem mag 17hmr .50bmg orange tip (TW45 headstamp) 32 s&w 380 auto 25 rimfire long 7.62nagant 12ga 00 buck in clear she'll 8x58R Danish Krag 1927 Danish mfg 8x57JR 243win For the older rounds, keep the patina on them unless you really want each round to be shiny and new looking. And use a ultra fine tip marker to write the Cal on the casing so you can just grab it and ID it, no tape or paper labels
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Can send some of the following: 30_40 Krag 7mm-08 30 rem 7mm rem mag 30-30 32-20 45-70 270 wcf 35 rem 30-30 Remington 38 wcf 30-06 250-3000 257 Robert's Will look at others and see I just had these handy 38spl 44spl 32 short rimfire 223 wssm 45GAP 6.8spc 38-50 32 auto 7.62x54r 38-55 38s&w 45 auto 221 rem 40-72 wcf 405wcf 25/25/86 aka, 25-25 222 rem mag 17hmr .50bmg orange tip (TW45 headstamp) 32 s&w 380 auto 25 rimfire long 7.62nagant 12ga 00 buck in clear she'll 8x58R Danish Krag 1927 Danish mfg 8x57JR 243win For the older rounds, keep the patina on them unless you really want each round to be shiny and new looking. And use a ultra fine tip marker to write the Cal on the casing so you can just grab it and ID it, no tape or paper labels I thihk I ended up packaging up .22mag .380 .38S&W .38SPL .357mag .40S&W .45Acp .45Colt .44Mag .30 Carbine 30-30 .32 Winchester 30-06 .308 .303Brit 7mm-08 .308 Norma Mag .300 Savage I have quite a few other rounds, but the ones I sent are ones I have more than 1 of. I also sent a brass case 12gauge because I think they're interesting.
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No problem
Some of my more expensive rounds are the British ones, it's crazy how much some are worth in the collector market. Photo of the unidentified cartridges: Attached File Low-res JPG of the measurement specs: Attached File The links below include a high-res PDF of the spec sheet, plus high-res photos of the headstamps. Mystery Cartridge Spec Sheet (PDF) Headstamp 1 Headstamp 2 Headstamp 3 Headstamp 4 Headstamp 5 |
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OK @MILLERLGT82, this is what I got, for better or for worse. Sorry for the low quality basement lighting. I couldn't get to it until 10PM last night. Photo of the unidentified cartridges: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/163640/Mystery-Cartridges-240722.JPG Low-res JPG of the measurement specs: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/163640/MysteryCartridge-Specs-240724.JPG The links below include a high-res PDF of the spec sheet, plus high-res photos of the headstamps. Mystery Cartridge Spec Sheet (PDF) Headstamp 1 Headstamp 2 Headstamp 3 Headstamp 4 8 Headstamp 5 Just got on, can tell you the second on is 303 brit Let me put the kid to bed and I will look at the others #1: 7,35x51 carcano....looks to be military load but could also be post war load depending on bullet and powder charge #2: 303 British kynoc export round #3: 7.62x54R Romanian, unknown factory due to typical combloc confusion. #4:32-40 Remington ,32-40-150. For single shot rolling vlock action rifles #5:looks damn close to my 11.15x58Rmm, 43 Spanish Remington, 11x53mm spanish... the measurements are very close .. I'm going to keep looking but I think it's this.. I just got done with a 16hr work day and a cranky baby and wife and will double check the last two but I'm almost positive that's them And @SouthernWoodworking did you get the package |
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@BikerNut Just got on, can tell you the second on is 303 brit Let me put the kid to bed and I will look at the others #1: 7,35x51 carcano....looks to be military load but could also be post war load depending on bullet and powder charge #2: 303 British kynoc export round #3: 7.62x54R Romanian, unknown factory due to typical combloc confusion. #4:32-40 Remington ,32-40-150. For single shot rolling vlock action rifles #5:looks damn close to my 11.15x58Rmm, 43 Spanish Remington, 11x53mm spanish... the measurements are very close .. I'm going to keep looking but I think it's this.. I just got done with a 16hr work day and a cranky baby and wife and will double check the last two but I'm almost positive that's them And @SouthernWoodworking did you get the package Now I feel like an ammo identification baby. A cranky one. Thanks! It will be nice to have these finally labeled. |
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FYI @SouthernWoodworking and anyone else reading this thread:
I will go through my pile of old ammo in the next day or two and pull out all the duplicates and list them here. Some are hard to find, some are sort of common, and some are very common. Anybody wants any of them, just IM me your shipping address. |
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I would love to see a ammo reference/history subfourm on here, I know we have a ammo one but that is more for modern ammo. There are some collectors here and it would be a cool place to show their collection and teach others the history and development of cartridges 
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This yours? I've always been fascinated by this picture. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh174/smokiesmokie/ExoticHandgunAmmo.jpg No, i wish though i know a few guys that have ones like that in 9mm and .45 i do have some of the rounds in that pic though
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Well, hell's bells. And here I thought I had something challenging. Now I feel like an ammo identification baby. A cranky one. Thanks! It will be nice to have these finally labeled. anyone else need something Id'd? |
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@smokie No, i wish though i know a few guys that have ones like that in 9mm and .45 i do have some of the rounds in that pic though Quoted:
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This yours? I've always been fascinated by this picture. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh174/smokiesmokie/ExoticHandgunAmmo.jpg No, i wish though i know a few guys that have ones like that in 9mm and .45 i do have some of the rounds in that pic though Any idea what E9, F9 and H5 are? |
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Gotcha, yeah there's some interesting stuff in there for sure. Any idea what E9, F9 and H5 are? F9:Israeli riot-control resin / core-shot 9mm H5:FXLabs "CCC" booby-trap bullet explodes with PETN core when fired .40S&W @smokie |
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E9: Magsafe experimental 9mm F9:Israeli riot-control resin / core-shot 9mm H5:FXLabs "CCC" booby-trap bullet explodes with PETN core when fired .40S&W @smokie Quoted:
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Gotcha, yeah there's some interesting stuff in there for sure. Any idea what E9, F9 and H5 are? F9:Israeli riot-control resin / core-shot 9mm H5:FXLabs "CCC" booby-trap bullet explodes with PETN core when fired .40S&W @smokie   That's amazing to me that you were able to answer that!Â
Way cool, please make a thread someday, I'd love to see some of the other stuff that's out there. 
Thank you for answering that for me, it's been bugging me for years. |
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Gotcha, yeah there's some interesting stuff in there for sure. Any idea what E9, F9 and H5 are? F9:Israeli riot-control resin / core-shot 9mm H5:FXLabs "CCC" booby-trap bullet explodes with PETN core when fired .40S&W @smokie |
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@SouthernWoodworking -- I have one each of the following for you, so PM your shipping address. And let me know if there are any of these that you don't need or don't want:
.41 Short RImfire, jacketed, Winchester Western's diamond symbol on case head (1864 to mid-1940s,) .25 ACP, FMJ RN, REM-UCP 7.65 Browning (.32 ACP), FMJ RN, stamped "VE 1947", stake-crimped primer .32 S&W, FMJ RN, REM-UMC .38 Colt, LRN, Union Metallic Cartridge Co. (1867-1911) .38 Colt, LFP, W.R.A. Co. .38 Long Colt, LRN, REM-UMC .38 S&W, LRN, W.C. Co. .44 Auto Mag, Semi-Jacketed HP .45 Auto Rim, FMJ, R-P .17 Remington, R-P .22 Hornet, REM-UMC .22 W.C.F., W.R.A. Co. 5.56 NATO, Blank, LC 76 .25-20, REM-UMC .270 Winchester, R-P .32 W.C.F., REM-UMC .300 Savage, Super Speed Unsure, somewhere between .243-.260 in size, long wooden bullet, stamped "VI46 48 HA" ----- For anyone else who wants anything, I have the below items in the quantity shown. First come, first served. 14 ..... .25 ACP, FMJ RN, REM-UCP, tarnished, needs cleaning 1 ..... .38 Colt, LFP, W.R.A. Co. 1 ..... .38 S&W, FMJ RP, WESTERN 1 ..... .38 S&W, LRN, REM-UCP 1 ..... .38 S&W, Steel case, bullet appears to be lacquered, WESTERN 4 ..... 7.65 Browning (.32 ACP), FMJ RN, stamped "VE 1947", stake-crimped primer 2 ..... .32 S&W, FMJ RN, REM-UMC 1 ..... .17 Remington, R-P 1 ..... .300 Savage, Super Speed 1 ..... .25-20, REM-UMC 2 ..... .270 Winchester, R-P ----- I have duplicates of other cartridges -- .30-06 WWII, 8MM Mauser WWII, .50-70 Government, .30-40 Krag, and others -- but I'm not ready to sort through them yet. But when I get around to it, I'll post them here. |
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Isn't there a set fee for shipping ammo? hazmat? I have a dummy (no primer, no powder) .375 Ruger i can mail you though. PM me if interested. edit... I may be able to assemble a .300 weatherby, 30-06, .44 special, .44 mag and maybe a 30-30 dummy round as well, if I can find some brass in my spare junk bucket. https://www.ups.com/us/en/help-center/packaging-and-supplies/special-care-shipments/hazardous-materials/shipping-ammunition.page? |
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You're a walking cartridge dictionary. Give me a hard one to solve
Its one hobby of mine that I can spend hours reading and researching about. The history of "modern cartridges" and the development of them and priming systems is interesting to me as well as seeing the different ways that people tried to make them better. Lots of the cartridges I have, the guns that would fire them are rarely seen outside a museum or in a unique firearm collection and some don't exist at all anymore. The only history of the gun is the cartridge. I get laughed at as I could spend days looking at my collection and collection of others and the history they represent as well as lost knowledge. If you look at today's modern handgun cartridges quite a bit are the same ideas that were there 100 years ago but made with better materials and tech, ever since a round was first developed there has been the quest to make it more deadly. Some of the older handgun rounds are laughably small and weak yet people were killed by them, today's materials and tech has just improved the ballistics but some we will never see again such as the 5.5 velo dog. That was made to (gasp) shoot dogs when you were riding your velocycle and they were chasing you and trying to tip your tall bike over, back then there was a cartridge for each kind of need and we will never truly see something like that again. Today rounds are so multi purpose that beside bullet design there has been no truly groundbreaking progress |
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Hopefully he's just off being busy for the holiday or something. If he leaves us hanging Im going to be less than thrilled. Quoted:
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@SouthernWoodWorking Any updates? Wile the value doesn't bother me much the possibility of being used for my kindness angers me I won't say more as you are right that he is busy with the holiday, now if we get no updates I'll be "less then thrilled" as well |
