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6/20/2017 10:27:42 AM EDT
Does it annoy the hell out of you?   I will admit that i dont get it, but i also dont get how some people get so excited about it. Maybe its just the theoretical nature that annoys me, i dont know.   I'm always trying to find some videos to get me interested and they bore me literally to death.

Anyways just wondering if i am alone on this. My IQ is vastly lower than the average GD member.
6/20/2017 10:29:31 AM EDT
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It's all made up in the heads of theorists.
6/20/2017 10:29:50 AM EDT
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It's highly probable that this threads wave function will collapse in 10 posts.
6/20/2017 10:32:18 AM EDT
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Heck, I'm still trying to decide if it's holes appearing under electrons or are the electrons falling into holes.
6/20/2017 10:33:02 AM EDT
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6/20/2017 10:34:09 AM EDT
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Oh my.

If you're interested in this stuff I would recommend watching Brian Greene's 4 Part Fabric of the Cosmos series
6/20/2017 10:35:37 AM EDT
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Depends on if you subscribe to the conventional or electron current flow theory...
6/20/2017 10:37:18 AM EDT
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Heck, I'm still trying to decide if it's holes appearing under electrons or are the electrons falling into holes.
Depends on if you subscribe to the conventional or electron current flow theory...
6/20/2017 10:37:43 AM EDT
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It makes the concept of "Shells" in chemistry a heck of a lot easier and more intuitive.

It makes a bunch of things in electronics more intuitive, if it was only a theoretical construct, we'd still have at most 500 GB Hard Drives.
6/20/2017 10:37:56 AM EDT
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My brain stop functioning properly past quarks. 
6/20/2017 10:38:31 AM EDT
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The more you look for the answer the more the answer eludes you.

- Schrödinger
6/20/2017 10:39:36 AM EDT
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the cat is dead
6/20/2017 10:40:05 AM EDT
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If you can do 8th grade math, you can understand this book.

6/20/2017 10:40:57 AM EDT
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Read a book on quantum physics and my brain still hurts 
6/20/2017 10:42:49 AM EDT
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its actually really fascinating.  I had to take a few hours' worht of youtube rabbit-holeing until i finally got a good grasp on just the basics.

basically, something has different probabilities of being in different states.  as usual, all probabilities add up to 1. but what is actually happening is that until its measured, its actually in ALL states at the same time! (superposition)  but you never know what the state is untill you look for it.  then its stuck in that state.

thats the overall overarching simplistic point.  then you have all the phases/angles to use to measure against.  then entanglement.  but quantum computing is what takes the cake.  next on my list is to try to understand just how a quantum gate is able to take advantage of the effect of superposition in order to break crypto, etc.
6/20/2017 10:42:56 AM EDT
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yeah well This says otherwise
6/20/2017 10:46:39 AM EDT
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The two ends of the ladder are always closer than they appear.
6/20/2017 10:50:45 AM EDT
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So how do you think your computer works?
6/20/2017 10:56:42 AM EDT
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A bold claim to make when you can do some simple proofs that quantum theory is "real" at home, with things as common as a $.99 chicom laser pointer, and a piece of cardboard with two razor slits in it.

Or that the $.99 laser pointer, or the computer you're posting this from are impossible if quantum theory wasn't "real" either.
6/20/2017 10:58:15 AM EDT
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There are a lot of people that get excited over watching sports when I find it boring.

I have disorder called dyscalculia and It effects how my brain processes math and numbers. I never even made it past simple algebra.

If I didn't have this I would love to study physics or even quantum physics.
6/20/2017 11:00:15 AM EDT
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its actually really fascinating.  I had to take a few hours' worht of youtube rabbit-holeing until i finally got a good grasp on just the basics.

basically, something has different probabilities of being in different states.  as usual, all probabilities add up to 1. but what is actually happening is that until its measured, its actually in ALL states at the same time! (superposition)  but you never know what the state is untill you look for it.  then its stuck in that state.

thats the overall overarching simplistic point.  then you have all the phases/angles to use to measure against.  then entanglement.  but quantum computing is what takes the cake.  next on my list is to try to understand just how a quantum gate is able to take advantage of the effect of superposition in order to break crypto, etc.
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Quantum computing isn't in the same realm as computers and programming as we know it.   It's like jump between analog computing and digital computing.

Each "program" is a set of initial conditions, and the "computing" results in the answers physically possible for those initial conditions.  It may have some unknowns yet, but a large chunk is solved, but not by clock cycles.

They are making digital logic 'gates' using the qubit, but that is like using a digital computer to simulate an analog computer (which we do, a lot, since even digital is analog at some level).
6/20/2017 11:01:08 AM EDT
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I always liked the "What the Bleep Do We Know" movie.
6/20/2017 11:04:25 AM EDT
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Heck, I'm still trying to decide if it's holes appearing under electrons or are the electrons falling into holes.
Depends on if you subscribe to the conventional or electron current flow theory...
I find this gif ironic, because it has been hypothesized that human consciousness could not exist but for the quantum effect.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/quantum-brain/506768/

https://www.thoughtco.com/is-consciousness-related-to-quantum-physics-2698801

and then there's this gem . . .

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6/20/2017 11:05:08 AM EDT
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Then I saw little Tiffany. I'm thinking, y'know, eight-year-old white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night with quantum physics books? She about to start some shit, Zed. She's about eight years old, those books are WAY too advanced for her. If you ask me, I'd say she's up to something.
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6/20/2017 11:06:56 AM EDT
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6/20/2017 11:07:20 AM EDT
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Quantum theory brings what used to be the realm of the esoteric into the light of reason and understanding.  What was once magic is becoming science.
6/20/2017 11:08:26 AM EDT
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I love Quantum Physics.  I study it, think about it, digest it and regurgitate it.

Been studying Quantum Entanglement for a while.  Makes my lobes hurt.
6/20/2017 11:09:06 AM EDT
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I was in my senior year at college and had sent out my application to several physics graduate programs including one to Harvard who was chaired at the time by Nobel prize winner Sheldon Glashow.  He had just given a talk at my college and I was determine to meet him afterwords and introduce myself as a candidate.  Of course I needed a topic to engage him in conversation with so I made up a list.  

When I met up with him after the talk he was rushing out the exit and down the hall to his car.  I realized he was in a hurry so I had to discard my other questions and come up with something quick.  After quickly introducing myself I asked him "How do we actually KNOW that quantum theory is the correct theory if it is so difficult to reconcile with gravity?"

He told me to let him know when I find out.
I never did get accepted.
6/20/2017 11:21:46 AM EDT
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well thanks, but even that is a bit too advanced for me.  i think i need more youtube.

but since youre here, I have a question:  is entanglement even used or is it some component of quantum computing?  or is QC done w/o entagled qubits?

and did you read that article about chinese quantum comms system?  whats that all about?  as best I can tell, it was basically just using entangled pairs of qubits to be able to generate a truly random key to be used for encryption of both sides of a comms link. (as opposed to pseudo random which is used now).  Do I understand that correctly?
6/20/2017 11:27:37 AM EDT
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watching it on youtube now, so far so good.
6/20/2017 11:33:09 AM EDT
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6/20/2017 11:34:22 AM EDT
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Quantum Physics is like incest.  It's all relative.
6/20/2017 11:38:18 AM EDT
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Does it annoy the hell out of you?   I will admit that i dont get it, but i also dont get how some people get so excited about it. Maybe its just the theoretical nature that annoys me, i dont know.   I'm always trying to find some videos to get me interested and they bore me literally to death.

Anyways just wondering if i am alone on this. My IQ is vastly lower than the average GD member.
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I've never learned anything about it. That has not hampered or improved my life or career in any way.

I've studied physics and I did watch the TV show "Quantum Leap", if that helps. 
6/20/2017 11:40:58 AM EDT
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I love Quantum Physics.  I study it, think about it, digest it and regurgitate it.

Been studying Quantum Entanglement for a while.  Makes my lobes hurt.
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A video on entanglement is what made me make this thread.
6/20/2017 11:43:58 AM EDT
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Try football ........ it's simpler and more popular.
6/20/2017 11:45:11 AM EDT
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I'm going to stick with the simplified electron orbit model we were taught in grade school.  Anything beyond that is someone else's problem.
6/20/2017 11:45:49 AM EDT
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well thanks, but even that is a bit too advanced for me.  i think i need more youtube.

but since youre here, I have a question:  is entanglement even used or is it some component of quantum computing?  or is QC done w/o entagled qubits?

and did you read that article about chinese quantum comms system?  whats that all about?  as best I can tell, it was basically just using entangled pairs of qubits to be able to generate a truly random key to be used for encryption of both sides of a comms link. (as opposed to pseudo random which is used now).  Do I understand that correctly?
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QE Communications are unbreakable due to the entanglement being singular, there isn't a "key", one entangled particle moves on one end, the other one mirrors it at the exact time, there's no way to tap it, or really use it at this point.

Quantum Computing is allowing all the various states to "be", and after filtering "The question"(program), the answer is The Answer(output). -- Super Super Super simplified.
6/20/2017 11:48:48 AM EDT
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When you performed the act of writing and posting your question, you altered the outcome of possible answers.
6/20/2017 11:51:42 AM EDT
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its actually really fascinating.  I had to take a few hours' worht of youtube rabbit-holeing until i finally got a good grasp on just the basics.

basically, something has different probabilities of being in different states.  as usual, all probabilities add up to 1. but what is actually happening is that until its measured, its actually in ALL states at the same time! (superposition)  but you never know what the state is untill you look for it.  then its stuck in that state.

thats the overall overarching simplistic point.  then you have all the phases/angles to use to measure against.  then entanglement.  but quantum computing is what takes the cake.  next on my list is to try to understand just how a quantum gate is able to take advantage of the effect of superposition in order to break crypto, etc.
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The lowest energy state is the most probably solution. By increasing the number of qubits tied together, the effect of any one qubit that settles into a local higher energy state(not the likely solution) is minimized.

In a nutshell.

One of the most accessible writers on the subject of high end physics in general, is Chris Lee over at Ars Technica. He has a hilarious streak of self-deprecating humor in his writing. Fully admitting at times that he hasn't an idea of how a particular topic actually works.
6/20/2017 12:03:23 PM EDT
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Try this to get started. Not a dig on ya OP, it's pretty good.

Quantum Physics for 7 Year Olds | Dominic Walliman | TEDxEastVan
6/20/2017 12:11:22 PM EDT
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6/20/2017 12:16:12 PM EDT
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depends on wether you're studying hole flow or electron flow
6/20/2017 12:19:23 PM EDT
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Except for quantum entanglement, which we can observe and use for secure communications.  And quantum randomness, which lets us make inexpensive yet good entropy generators.  And various other ways.

We're right about at the potential end of Moore's law for real, this time.  That pesky quantum nature of electrons means that at this small of scale, they can just suddenly *wink* from, say a source or drain to the gate, and that throws wrenches in the works.
6/20/2017 12:20:47 PM EDT
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extremely relevant gif
6/20/2017 12:24:45 PM EDT
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Does it annoy the hell out of you?   I will admit that i dont get it, but i also dont get how some people get so excited about it. Maybe its just the theoretical nature that annoys me, i dont know.   I'm always trying to find some videos to get me interested and they bore me literally to death.

Anyways just wondering if i am alone on this. My IQ is vastly lower than the average GD member.
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The single slit experiment blows my mind. You can actually reproduce it with a laser and a nail clipper held almost closed. I had to derive the diffraction pattern for a physics final once using hyugens principle. I was the only one to do so in the class.
6/20/2017 12:26:50 PM EDT
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Start out by studying the double slit experiment. That experiment is at the origin of quantum mechanics.
6/20/2017 12:32:24 PM EDT
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You are thinking if String Theory in it's various flavors. Nobody can see down to the Planck length so it's all theory.
6/20/2017 12:32:52 PM EDT
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The cat is alive.


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6/20/2017 12:37:07 PM EDT
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Except for quantum entanglement, which we can observe and use for secure communications. 
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I was under the impression that entanglement wasn't able to be used for communication. 
6/20/2017 12:43:57 PM EDT
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no no... the cat escaped!
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