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Link Posted: 9/20/2017 7:49:08 PM EDT
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I wish I had not been paranoid and bought some of the solvent trap kits that were online a while back. There were some really well done cups and tubes until the atf started cracking down. I bet those same websites will be up for business right away if this passes, with a bunch of product to sell.
There will be plenty of options if this goes through.
Link Posted: 9/20/2017 7:51:43 PM EDT
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I wish I had not been paranoid and bought some of the solvent trap kits that were online a while back. There were some really well done cups and tubes until the atf started cracking down. I bet those same websites will be up for business right away if this passes, with a bunch of product to sell.
There will be plenty of options if this goes through.
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They are still out there. I know of a few of them that are still doing quite well in sales, and the ATF hasn't told them to knock it off yet.
Link Posted: 9/20/2017 7:54:03 PM EDT
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I wish I had not been paranoid and bought some of the solvent trap kits that were online a while back. There were some really well done cups and tubes until the atf started cracking down. I bet those same websites will be up for business right away if this passes, with a bunch of product to sell.
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There are still plenty of places to buy them.
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 4:05:53 PM EDT
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Back to the front page!
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 4:20:19 PM EDT
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Online forms are nice. Emails are nice.  

But pick up the phone and CALL your congress critters; especially if they are too old to care about online forms and emails.
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 5:36:25 PM EDT
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Gabby Gifford's group, Americans for Responsible Solutions, sent out an email today saying some moderate Republicans aka RINOs are wavering on the bill. I know gun controllers are a bunch of lying bastards but it is time to remind the RINOs just who brung'em to the dance.
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 8:19:48 PM EDT
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I've written several letters to all of my reps. All have gone unanswered. But when you're writing letters to communists who hate America and freedom it's kind of expected. I keep writing the letters in hopes that one of the Communist fucks will do the right thing.
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DeFazio, a socialist Dem from my state, COSPONSERED the HPA.

It does happen. Write them.
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 8:49:13 PM EDT
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DeFazio, a socialist Dem from my state, COSPONSERED the HPA.

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Link Posted: 9/21/2017 10:11:05 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/21/2017 10:17:29 PM EDT
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I'm genuinely afraid of what I will do to my savings should this pass...

Not counting threading jobs, I can name at least five suppressors I'll need assuming I don't share them amongst each other...

Like a 1022 with integral barrel suppressor....
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 10:31:59 PM EDT
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I'm genuinely afraid of what I will do to my savings should this pass...

Not counting threading jobs, I can name at least five suppressors I'll need assuming I don't share them amongst each other...

Like a 1022 with integral barrel suppressor....
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Yup
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 10:40:29 PM EDT
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Emailed. Emailed 3 others that I know will also email in MO.
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 11:03:26 PM EDT
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I'm genuinely afraid of what I will do to my savings should this pass...

Not counting threading jobs, I can name at least five suppressors I'll need assuming I don't share them amongst each other...

Like a 1022 with integral barrel suppressor....
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10.5 inch to 11.5 inch AR uppers with pinned and welded suppressors (long enough to get the total barrel length over 16 inches).  No NFA tax for an SBR, but the same length as an SBR with suppressor (just can't remove the suppressor to make it even smaller).

5.56mm
9mm
.300 BO
7.62x25 Tok
6.8 SPC

That will get me started.
Link Posted: 9/22/2017 6:00:48 AM EDT
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I'm genuinely afraid of what I will do to my savings should this pass...

Not counting threading jobs, I can name at least five suppressors I'll need assuming I don't share them amongst each other...

Like a 1022 takedown with integral barrel suppressor....
Yup
I added a word for you.
Link Posted: 9/22/2017 9:37:49 AM EDT
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10.5 inch to 11.5 inch AR uppers with pinned and welded suppressors (long enough to get the total barrel length over 16 inches).  No NFA tax for an SBR, but the same length as an SBR with suppressor (just can't remove the suppressor to make it even smaller).

5.56mm
9mm
.300 BO
7.62x25 Tok
6.8 SPC

That will get me started.
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I'm genuinely afraid of what I will do to my savings should this pass...

Not counting threading jobs, I can name at least five suppressors I'll need assuming I don't share them amongst each other...

Like a 1022 with integral barrel suppressor....
10.5 inch to 11.5 inch AR uppers with pinned and welded suppressors (long enough to get the total barrel length over 16 inches).  No NFA tax for an SBR, but the same length as an SBR with suppressor (just can't remove the suppressor to make it even smaller).

5.56mm
9mm
.300 BO
7.62x25 Tok
6.8 SPC

That will get me started.
Get a Hybrid
Link Posted: 9/22/2017 10:03:00 AM EDT
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Went with the Optimus at the suggestion of my dealer, not running anything over 9mm either


back on topic,

more emails sent and voicemails left, keep up the pressure guys
Link Posted: 9/22/2017 2:55:42 PM EDT
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Send them emails
Link Posted: 9/22/2017 7:09:25 PM EDT
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Remember, if your senators and congressmen don't have a restraining order against you, you aren't calling/emailing them often enough.
Link Posted: 9/23/2017 8:27:46 PM EDT
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This should be pinned! Or a new thread with the specifics, at least, should be at the top.
Link Posted: 9/24/2017 10:22:13 PM EDT
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Bumping this.  Any movement?
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 9:59:49 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/25/2017 11:43:53 AM EDT
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Just emailed all my reps.



I've previously called, when it just came out of committee.
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 11:46:46 AM EDT
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Bumping this.  Any movement?
All I can find is that it was added to the congressional calendar, and I still don't know what that means. No new dates, no info if its a vote or just discussion.
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 11:51:51 AM EDT
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I'm sure the NRA is going to pressure the Senate to pass this. Surely the great pumpkin NRA will help us.
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Surely you are aware the NRA has on me on their site to make it easy for people to contact their congressmen?

These people bashing the NRA don't even know what they are talking about.

What possible reason would they have for not supporting it?
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 12:11:06 PM EDT
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Guns.com reported it could come up for a vote this week
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 12:17:55 PM EDT
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I emailed my reps.... Luther strange wrote me back about the CCW bill and his support for it WTF Big Luther Strange does not know one house bill from the other

Yes I know he is in the Senate but he keeps talking about gun rights here so much in ads you would think he would know the bills
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 12:21:55 PM EDT
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Email them about an amendment to 922(o) to reopen the NFA machine gun registry
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 12:43:54 PM EDT
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Do you want to kill a bill that actually stands a good chance of passing? Because that is how you kill a bill that actually stands a good chance of passing.

I would love to see the MG registry opened, but amending this bill is not the time nor the place.
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 1:42:18 PM EDT
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https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/Most-Viewed+Bills

The HPA and SHARE Acts are nubmer 2 and 3 this week.


Click https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3668 to see if we can get the SHARE act to no.1 next week.
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 2:56:34 PM EDT
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The HPA and SHARE Acts are nubmer 2 and 3 this week.


Click https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3668 to see if we can get the SHARE act to no.1 next week.
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I see HPA picked up MT Rep Greg Gianforte on 9/21.  I know we are all shooting for people to jump on the SHARE but still nice to see reps paying attention.
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 11:31:47 PM EDT
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To the top!
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 11:59:24 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/26/2017 2:08:17 AM EDT
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Guns.com reported it could come up for a vote this week
Let us pray.
"The Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act, or SHARE Act, only has five sponsors and was introduced at the beginning of the month but was marked up by the House Committee on Natural Resources and discharged by five others last week sending it to the floor. Politico’s John Bresnahan reports the measure could be voted on as early as this week and is expected to pass."

http://www.guns.com/2017/09/25/share-act-could-come-up-for-house-vote-this-week/
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 10:16:50 AM EDT
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"The Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act, or SHARE Act, only has five sponsors and was introduced at the beginning of the month but was marked up by the House Committee on Natural Resources and discharged by five others last week sending it to the floor. Politico’s John Bresnahan reports the measure could be voted on as early as this week and is expected to pass."

http://www.guns.com/2017/09/25/share-act-could-come-up-for-house-vote-this-week/
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Now is the time to slam your reps about their support!!!
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 12:05:46 PM EDT
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This is really important, could we get this tacked or something?
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 12:20:14 PM EDT
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I've been contacting Democrat Reps from Hawaii to Massachusetts.  

Be very polite.  Remember the name of the person you speak with and compliment them genuinely, don't be fake.  I spoke to some very friendly staffers and aides, most of them female.

Explain to them that the suppressor provisions under the NFA weren't even allowed for debate in Congress in 1934, and the main reason we they were included was to help stop poaching, which doesn't make any sense as suppressors weren't that widely used back then and the Nation had 25% unemployment at the height of the Great Depression.

Talk to them about how your hunting animals' ears need protection, that you don't want to cause hearing loss with your horses and hunting dogs, and that suppressors aren't even regulated in most developed nations on earth, like in Finland.

Also mention that the opposition to the HPA chose an "expert witness" who didn't disclose that he works for ShotSpotter as lead sales rep for North America, and that ShotSpotter has been losing millions of dollars every year now, and doesn't want to have to tweak their software and firmware to be able to better detect suppressed gunshots, even though they said their system already can detect them, along with people's conversations.

Tell them the ACLU is opposed to ShotSpotter listening to people's conversations, and that PETA wants to protect animal hearing.

Democrats think with their hearts, especially female Democrat aides and staffers.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 1:50:43 PM EDT
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This is really important, could we get this tacked or something?
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2nd this. We are inches away from the biggest victory in gun rights in the past 20 years.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 2:07:44 PM EDT
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Tell them the ACLU is opposed to ShotSpotter listening to people's conversations, and that PETA wants to protect animal hearing.


 
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ooooooh, nice angle.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 2:15:21 PM EDT
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Another request to tack this!

Also send those emails and make those phone calls!
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 2:17:12 PM EDT
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Another request to tack this!

Also send those emails and make those phone calls!
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This x87
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 2:19:41 PM EDT
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2nd this. We are inches away from the biggest victory in gun rights in the past 20 years.
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This is really important, could we get this tacked or something?
2nd this. We are inches away from the biggest victory in gun rights in the past 20 years.
Ditto.

Tack this thread.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 3:47:32 PM EDT
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https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/Most-Viewed+Bills

The HPA and SHARE Acts are nubmer 2 and 3 this week.


Click https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3668 to see if we can get the SHARE act to no.1 next week.
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Wait, I thought the HPA was rolled into the SHARE act? Are they attempting to do the same thing?
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 3:49:59 PM EDT
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Wait, I thought the HPA was rolled into the SHARE act? Are they attempting to do the same thing?
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HPA was rolled into the SHARE act (or at least the language of it was), but I believe the HPA still exists as a separate bill.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 3:50:00 PM EDT
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Wait, I thought the HPA was rolled into the SHARE act? Are they attempting to do the same thing?
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HPA still exists on its own. SHARE also contains HPA (or at least most of the HPA provisions???) Im not super clear on how it works out but HPA still exists as a separate thing.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 4:35:29 PM EDT
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HPA still exists on its own. SHARE also contains HPA (or at least most of the HPA provisions???) Im not super clear on how it works out but HPA still exists as a separate thing.
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If SHARE passes, it makes HPA moot.  If SHARE crashes and burns, we still have a (very, very tiny) chance to get HPA passed.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 4:38:16 PM EDT
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Can we get this stickied.

Also, I doubt HPA will pass on it's own if SHARE doesn't, but you never know. I think SHARE is our best chance.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 4:53:39 PM EDT
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If SHARE passes, it makes HPA moot.  If SHARE crashes and burns, we still have a (very, very tiny) chance to get HPA passed.
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HPA still exists on its own. SHARE also contains HPA (or at least most of the HPA provisions???) Im not super clear on how it works out but HPA still exists as a separate thing.
If SHARE passes, it makes HPA moot.  If SHARE crashes and burns, we still have a (very, very tiny) chance to get HPA passed.
There's also the SHUSH Act, which has an ever smaller chance of passing.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 6:04:11 PM EDT
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I've been contacting Democrat Reps from Hawaii to Massachusetts.  

Be very polite.  Remember the name of the person you speak with and compliment them genuinely, don't be fake.  I spoke to some very friendly staffers and aides, most of them female.

Explain to them that the suppressor provisions under the NFA weren't even allowed for debate in Congress in 1934, and the main reason we they were included was to help stop poaching, which doesn't make any sense as suppressors weren't that widely used back then and the Nation had 25% unemployment at the height of the Great Depression.

Talk to them about how your hunting animals' ears need protection, that you don't want to cause hearing loss with your horses and hunting dogs, and that suppressors aren't even regulated in most developed nations on earth, like in Finland.

Also mention that the opposition to the HPA chose an "expert witness" who didn't disclose that he works for ShotSpotter as lead sales rep for North America, and that ShotSpotter has been losing millions of dollars every year now, and doesn't want to have to tweak their software and firmware to be able to better detect suppressed gunshots, even though they said their system already can detect them, along with people's conversations.

Tell them the ACLU is opposed to ShotSpotter listening to people's conversations, and that PETA wants to protect animal hearing.

Democrats think with their hearts, especially female Democrat aides and staffers.
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God bless you sir.

I guess this leads into the question I was going to post. Is it bad form to contact reps that aren't yours? I assume not, but games have their unspoken rules and all.

What's the best method?
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 6:07:28 PM EDT
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God bless you sir.

I guess this leads into the question I was going to post. Is it bad form to contact reps that aren't yours? I assume not, but games have their unspoken rules and all.

What's the best method?
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Well, its what DU does. I've seen several articles on how they use home for sale sites to find addresses of folks living in areas they want to influence, use that address as their own, and then contact the local representative claiming to be a constituent with concerns that could impact their votes. Not that I advocate, but it cant hurt to call and simply state your concerns without lying about your residence.
Link Posted: 9/26/2017 6:10:03 PM EDT
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This is really important, could we get this tacked or something?
2nd this. We are inches away from the biggest victory in gun rights in the past 20 years.
Ditto.

Tack this thread.
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