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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:36:41 AM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere.
 This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:39:24 AM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale).
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:54:47 AM EDT
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The SHARE Act is where our effort needs to be focused. The HPA hasn't gained any traction on its own. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:57:16 AM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:59:47 AM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). My eyes just rolled so hard I detached one of my retinae |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:00:38 AM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). Something seems to be cutting off the oxygen supply to your brain. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:02:35 AM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:12:32 AM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:14:40 AM EDT
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HPA list of co-sponsors Need 38 more co-sponsors !! Look on this list - if your guy or gal ain't on here, give him or her a jingle. Interesting to see Goodlatte isn't signed on, unless I've missed him somewhere. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:22:08 AM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). Supply might catch up with demand? These aren't diamonds, they're metal tubes. Of course they'll crank them out by the millions and prices will plummet. Just like AR15's. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:41:06 AM EDT
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LOLOL Supply might catch up with demand? These aren't diamonds, they're metal tubes. Of course they'll crank them out by the millions and prices will plummet. Just like AR15's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). Supply might catch up with demand? These aren't diamonds, they're metal tubes. Of course they'll crank them out by the millions and prices will plummet. Just like AR15's. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:55:39 AM EDT
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I understand the source of your concern, but that's just not how capitalism works man. There will be a FLOOD of manufaturers in the market and prices will DROP. See: The Palmetto State Armory Effect Yes...there will be a flood of new $h1t on the market. However, if you want a good can from an established company...good luck with that. Quoted:
We should probably just give up then huh. I think it's just going to awesome overnight. It might take years for the supply and demand to balance out. Quoted:
Pickle Rick was a friend of mine. Sir, you're no Pickle Rick. 
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:51:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2017 12:03:49 PM EDT
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From my libtard democrat congressman, Ted Deutch (Douche): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/406502/untitled-310547.JPG My reply: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/406502/untitled-310548.JPG You can throw out there..."If I'm going to be target shooting on my property...wouldn't you prefer that I use a silencer, so you don't have to hear it (I just ordered a .22lr can)?" Even if that's actually the reason why MANY people want one...they don't buy it and they aren't going to buy it. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 12:08:46 PM EDT
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Get back to me if and when this passes and you can't find anything you want in stock...then tell me how awesome this is. We'll see. I can see it working out great in the long-term. However, in the short-term...I can see people getting frustrated over it (thinking they'll be able to run out and buy what they want). Yes...there will be a flood of new $h1t on the market. However, if you want a good can from an established company...good luck with that. I bought one this weekend. My point was more aimed at people that are waiting for this to pass...thinking: 1. It has a chance, and 2. They're actually going to be able to find a good silencer in stock at that point. I think it's just going to awesome overnight. It might take years for the supply and demand to balance out. 
Your logic is all sorts of retarded. We should oppose lifting the MG ban too because it will just be too hard to find machine guns. out of
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Posted: 9/18/2017 12:15:06 PM EDT
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http://24.media.tumblr.com/7dc433a7fd2cbc1730886d5ff46af248/tumblr_ml2dnzk2az1rxde6go1_400.gif Your logic is all sorts of retarded. We should oppose lifting the MG ban too because it will just be too hard to find machine guns. out of |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:08:34 PM EDT
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I'm not saying that I oppose it. I don't. I'm just saying that the immediate result is not going to be what many people are hoping for. The long term benefits of this legislation far surpass any short term constriction of the market. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:21:47 PM EDT
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Are you 12? Who cares about "immediate result"? The long term benefits of this legislation far surpass any short term constriction of the market. There are apparently at least a few of them floating around out there, because my usual gun guy (....as I said...I ordered a silencer this weekend) had commented that multiple people had said to him that they were planning on waiting to see if this legislation gets passed. His take was the same as mine...people that are waiting at the moment and planning on pulling the trigger the moment the legislation passes are going to be disappointed. I'm not 12. I get that long-term it's a good thing. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:26:18 PM EDT
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That is going to be the hurdle...finding democrats that are willing to commit political suicide by supporting this. To liberals...the only reason that someone could possibly want a silencer is if they're up to no good. You can throw out there..."If I'm going to be target shooting on my property...wouldn't you prefer that I use a silencer, so you don't have to hear it (I just ordered a .22lr can)?" Even if that's actually the reason why MANY people want one...they don't buy it and they aren't going to buy it. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:26:42 PM EDT
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Emailed Paul "THECUCK" Ryan and my Congressman Blake Farethold. Blake is already on board with this.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:32:15 PM EDT
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Hope you've all peppered your reps about this as much as you post in GD.
Let's get this thing to a vote. 
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:34:42 PM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). And even if it didn't....freedom to own expensive suppressors is superior to heavy regulatory compliance to own cheap ones. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:37:16 PM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale).  Everyone Is Now Dumber - Billy Madison |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 2:00:27 PM EDT
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Those conditions would be temporary. The market would respond. And even if it didn't....freedom to own expensive suppressors is superior to heavy regulatory compliance to own cheap ones. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Those conditions would be temporary. The market would respond. And even if it didn't....freedom to own expensive suppressors is superior to heavy regulatory compliance to own cheap ones. What I posted is exactly what will happen in the short term. I'm sorry that my logic is beyond your comprehension. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 2:08:26 PM EDT
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Agreed. The market would correct itself in time. What I posted is exactly what will happen in the short term. I'm sorry that my logic is beyond your comprehension.  
Thank you for your concern. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 2:18:22 PM EDT
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Agreed. The market would correct itself in time. What I posted is exactly what will happen in the short term. I'm sorry that my logic is beyond your comprehension. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those conditions would be temporary. The market would respond. And even if it didn't....freedom to own expensive suppressors is superior to heavy regulatory compliance to own cheap ones. What I posted is exactly what will happen in the short term. I'm sorry that my logic is beyond your comprehension. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 2:19:05 PM EDT
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Oh, I don't know...maybe people that are holding off on purchasing silencers at the moment because they think this is going to pass and that they'll be able to run out and buy what they want without a 7+ month wait. There are apparently at least a few of them floating around out there, because my usual gun guy (....as I said...I ordered a silencer this weekend) had commented that multiple people had said to him that they were planning on waiting to see if this legislation gets passed. His take was the same as mine...people that are waiting at the moment and planning on pulling the trigger the moment the legislation passes are going to be disappointed. I'm not 12. I get that long-term it's a good thing. Personally, I have no dog in the fight because I already have 11 suppressors, but it would be nice to have the option without going through the long waits. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 2:23:33 PM EDT
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Good, then lets all get on the good idea bus and contact our reps. Pressure is what will make this pass. Personally, I have no dog in the fight because I already have 11 suppressors, but it would be nice to have the option without going through the long waits. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 2:45:12 PM EDT
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I was not trying to troll anyone. I was just trying to point out a likely short-term side-effect that I have not seen mentioned previously. I'd like at least a couple more, so I definitely have a dog in this race. It would be nice to be able to walk out the door with my next one instead of having to deal with the 7+ month ATF $h1t show. The second dog I have is the same as everyone else's here. Turning back the tide of 20th century 2nd Amendment infringement. This is the reason any temporary market constriction that comes from passage doesn't matter. Then once they're "in common use" (an argument can already be made that they are) they'll be that much more difficult for the neo-communists to ban outright. Edit for clarity. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:05:36 PM EDT
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I guess I need to write and call that useless PoS Brian Babbin.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:08:35 PM EDT
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Get back to me if and when this passes and you can't find anything you want in stock...then tell me how awesome this is. We'll see. I can see it working out great in the long-term. However, in the short-term...I can see people getting frustrated over it (thinking they'll be able to run out and buy what they want). Yes...there will be a flood of new $h1t on the market. However, if you want a good can from an established company...good luck with that. I bought one this weekend. My point was more aimed at people that are waiting for this to pass...thinking: 1. It has a chance, and 2. They're actually going to be able to find a good silencer in stock at that point. I think it's just going to awesome overnight. It might take years for the supply and demand to balance out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Get back to me if and when this passes and you can't find anything you want in stock...then tell me how awesome this is.
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I understand the source of your concern, but that's just not how capitalism works man. There will be a FLOOD of manufaturers in the market and prices will DROP. See: The Palmetto State Armory Effect Yes...there will be a flood of new $h1t on the market. However, if you want a good can from an established company...good luck with that. Quoted:
We should probably just give up then huh. I think it's just going to awesome overnight. It might take years for the supply and demand to balance out. Quoted:
Pickle Rick was a friend of mine. Sir, you're no Pickle Rick. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:21:23 PM EDT
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I was not trying to troll anyone. I was just trying to point out a likely short-term side-effect that I have not seen mentioned previously. I'd like at least a couple more, so I definitely have a dog in this race. It would be nice to be able to walk out the door with my next one instead of having to deal with the 7+ month ATF $h1t show. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good, then lets all get on the good idea bus and contact our reps. Pressure is what will make this pass. Personally, I have no dog in the fight because I already have 11 suppressors, but it would be nice to have the option without going through the long waits. But with companies like Ruger, and Smith and Wesson now ready to produce cans. As well as companies with big time manufacturing capacity getting involved (PSA etc) it won't take long at all for the supply to catch up and we will all have $30 22lr cans. Also I think this version of the bill allows for imported suppressors. If that is true there will be a flood of cheap Chinese stamped baffle cans over here as fast as the frickin boat can go. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:32:46 PM EDT
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See: The Palmetto State Armory Effect |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:42:32 PM EDT
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Get back to me if and when this passes and you can't find anything you want in stock...then tell me how awesome this is. We'll see. I can see it working out great in the long-term. However, in the short-term...I can see people getting frustrated over it (thinking they'll be able to run out and buy what they want). Yes...there will be a flood of new $h1t on the market. However, if you want a good can from an established company...good luck with that. I bought one this weekend. My point was more aimed at people that are waiting for this to pass...thinking: 1. It has a chance, and 2. They're actually going to be able to find a good silencer in stock at that point. I think it's just going to awesome overnight. It might take years for the supply and demand to balance out. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:43:27 PM EDT
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I'd 3d print a metric shit ton of disposable .22 cans.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:44:44 PM EDT
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Get back to me if and when this passes and you can't find anything you want in stock...then tell me how awesome this is. We'll see. I can see it working out great in the long-term. However, in the short-term...I can see people getting frustrated over it (thinking they'll be able to run out and buy what they want). Yes...there will be a flood of new $h1t on the market. However, if you want a good can from an established company...good luck with that. I bought one this weekend. My point was more aimed at people that are waiting for this to pass...thinking: 1. It has a chance, and 2. They're actually going to be able to find a good silencer in stock at that point. I think it's just going to awesome overnight. It might take years for the supply and demand to balance out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Get back to me if and when this passes and you can't find anything you want in stock...then tell me how awesome this is.
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I understand the source of your concern, but that's just not how capitalism works man. There will be a FLOOD of manufaturers in the market and prices will DROP. See: The Palmetto State Armory Effect Yes...there will be a flood of new $h1t on the market. However, if you want a good can from an established company...good luck with that. Quoted:
We should probably just give up then huh. I think it's just going to awesome overnight. It might take years for the supply and demand to balance out. Quoted:
Pickle Rick was a friend of mine. Sir, you're no Pickle Rick. Are you fucking with us? Because it sounds like you're fucking with us. Try six months. Suppressor companies can crank out a LOT of cans in a short period of time, they are very simple to make. Run the shop 16 hours a day, 6 days a week, hire some more help, and they can increase output in a short period of time. Bigger companies can do so in a heartbeat. Suppressor companies aren't working at capacity as is, due to the limited market. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 4:40:44 PM EDT
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This fell back a few pages.
Ignore the bickering, contact your reps. 
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Posted: 9/18/2017 5:07:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2017 5:08:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2017 5:56:48 PM EDT
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Contacted my Reps.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:24:18 AM EDT
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To the top! Call your reps!
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:20:58 AM EDT
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It's been "Placed on the Union Calendar, Calendar No. 224" I'm currently trying to figure out when/where it was placed.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:59:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:07:09 AM EDT
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Oh, I don't know...maybe people that are holding off on purchasing silencers at the moment because they think this is going to pass and that they'll be able to run out and buy what they want without a 7+ month wait. There are apparently at least a few of them floating around out there, because my usual gun guy (....as I said...I ordered a silencer this weekend) had commented that multiple people had said to him that they were planning on waiting to see if this legislation gets passed. His take was the same as mine...people that are waiting at the moment and planning on pulling the trigger the moment the legislation passes are going to be disappointed. I'm not 12. I get that long-term it's a good thing. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:09:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:15:41 AM EDT
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It's been "Placed on the Union Calendar, Calendar No. 224" I'm currently trying to figure out when/where it was placed. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:20:28 AM EDT
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Then shut the fuck up and get on board here. The long term on this one far outweighs your bullshit handwringing over a temporary market constriction. Not really, but seriously...you come off as a real piece of work. Good luck with that. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:21:40 AM EDT
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Then shut the fuck up and get on board here. The long term on this one far outweighs your bullshit handwringing over a temporary market constriction. I dont care how long there is a drought or how hard it is to find a can to buy. I just want to be able to walk in, and back out with a can in the same day when I do find one. Hell if nothing else I will start building my own until I can find a commercially produced one I like. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:21:58 AM EDT
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What I might do is write a few politicians and tell them to vote against this...just for you. Not really, but seriously...you come off as a real piece of work. Good luck with that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then shut the fuck up and get on board here. The long term on this one far outweighs your bullshit handwringing over a temporary market constriction. Not really, but seriously...you come off as a real piece of work. Good luck with that. Just like all the "it's neva gon happen" people. STFU or help. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:23:15 AM EDT
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This is a great idea...until it passes and you can't find them in stock anywhere. This passes and a few things will happen: 1. Demand will go through the roof, 2. Prices will go through the roof, and 3. The supply will dry up overnight.
So yeah...in concept, I am 100% in favor of this passing, but I can see the average person not really benefitting from it at all. ex. You'll have a handful of people running out and buying up all of the inventory they can find and flipping it for two or more times the purchase price. The one perk would be the wait time decreasing. That and who knows...after the initial rush, producers might be able to crank out enough silencers that they can eventually start to get the prices down a bit (economies of scale). 
That's what I'm waiting for. |
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