[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Union Guys--Explain this to me (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/4/2017 1:18:56 PM EDT
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MY future son in law gets hired to work as a long term temp at a local GM plant---GM hires people permanently as needed from the temps. GM decides they are going to lay off--he was next on "Hire" list....A black female 9 spots DOWN the list
with a non-passing attendance record gets hired instead of him for the literal last spot..When he meets with his Union rep., local head of the NAACP is there-he is told to lay down, take and not makes wave-because MAYBE when the new line comes in in October he May get rehired--but id he raises HELL he definitely will get blackballed and will not be re-hired....Oh, and of Course, he only retains his "seniority" for 90 days--which will end first week of August.... So tell if I missed something but: He paid the UNION to represent him, they basically fucked him coming and going, and if he talks about or files an EEOC claim they said he is on his own--even though HE PAID THEM TO REPRESENT HIM? OH and if he talks to the other 8 people who got screwed over they threatened to sue him.... |
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Being a union member doesn't guarantee you a job.
It guarantees you a certain rate of pay, insurance, retirement, working conditions etc. As a union member you are not exempt from getting a lay off either. Being a union member is no different that anything else. There iis always something to bitch about. |
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bullshit all the way around but yeah it's GM doing the hiring and laying off not the union and i doubt they have much power to raise hell even if they wanted to.
could be black female has family or other references at the plant which most factories do favor pretty highly. |
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What the union did is called a DFR charge
https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/whats-law/employees/i-am-represented-union/right-fair-representation https://www.nlrb.gov/what-we-do/investigate-charges Its illegal and he has redress. That said, in most cases (contract constitution and hiring hall rules can change things) most people without a seniority spot have no rights, none. They can be fired at any time for any reason. she gave him a bj and hes a dude, guess who gets the ax? |
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Also each union is different.
I pay $38 per month dues. IBEW Outside Retirement, Insurance, Annuity, & Wages are covered for that. But I work for a contractor that uses union labor. My employment can be terminated at any time. Its all about benefits. I have no clue about the Auto workers. |
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MY future son in law gets hired to work as a long term temp at a local GM plant---GM hires people permanently as needed from the temps. GM decides they are going to lay off--he was next on "Hire" list....A black female 9 spots DOWN the list with a non-passing attendance record gets hired instead of him for the literal last spot..When he meets with his Union rep., local head of the NAACP is there-he is told to lay down, take and not makes wave-because MAYBE when the new line comes in in October he May get rehired--but id he raises HELL he definitely will get blackballed and will not be re-hired....Oh, and of Course, he only retains his "seniority" for 90 days--which will end first week of August.... So tell if I missed something but: He paid the UNION to represent him, they basically fucked him coming and going, and if he talks about or files an EEOC claim they said he is on his own--even though HE PAID THEM TO REPRESENT HIM? OH and if he talks to the other 8 people who got screwed over they threatened to sue him.... Not a union issue until he is hired. This happens at non union companies too. Welcome to affirmative action. |
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Also each union is different. I pay $38 per month dues. IBEW Outside Retirement, Insurance, Annuity, & Wages are covered for that. But I work for a contractor that uses union labor. My employment can be terminated at any time. Its all about benefits. I have no clue about the Auto workers. for that dues you work under a contract that tells employers how much they have to pay for your labor. your employer pays so much per hour for wages, insurance, pension and other benefits. |
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Temps are union? most aren't permanent seniority employees until after a probation period. some time (90 days example) some hours (500 clock hours). even in a closed shop in a union state they can usually fire for any reason without cause before probation ends. |
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https://uaw.org/uaw-auto-bargaining/generalmotors/
that's their current contract. not as lucrative as i thought it was, and their pension contribution is similar to a 401k contribution. i saw "temporary employees hired before 2015", but someplace else referred to more than two years having seniority. |
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labor attorney plus a complaint to national labor review board against the union for breach of contract.
you son has allready been blackballed for having the gall to request a meeting. do you really think that naacp rep is going to let this transgression slide. do you think the labor union/gm mgt isnt going to have a blood fued. if you son has seniority, its an open and shut case a labor attorny would jump on. if their is more to the story they will tell you they cant help him get an attorney |
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Fuck Unions. MFers protect the worthless, discourage the productive and extort their employer. The government says union members make 30% more. Want to work for less? knock yourself out. they also represent. if they do a good job at their job, yes, slugs will get representation. just like everyone else who buys their services. in my personal experience, most discipline is mismanagement run amok- and damn lucky for all employees to have a contract and representation. idgaf if somebody didn't want to be union, don't. you can find low paying slave jobs anywhere. i enjoy making a lot more with better benefits with a contract that they can't just fuck with me. lastly, deadbeat slugs. if management does it's fucking job, there is no union who can prevent termination. far, far, far more often than not, management does a shitty job at their job and fucks everything up. |
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temps do bargaining unit work under a contract most aren't permanent seniority employees until after a probation period. some time (90 days example) some hours (500 clock hours). even in a closed shop in a union state they can usually fire for any reason without cause before probation ends. They used to NOT ALLOW non-seniority employees to join the union. Now they are encouraged to fill the union coffers in exchange for nothing. Our last contract had a pay raise scale for temp/non-seniority employees out to 8 years.......if that tells you anything. OP, I have worked at GM over 20 years and they are thieving whores. As others have said, as a temp he has NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER. Having no rights means he was not, and can not be wronged in their eyes. If he desires employment there, his absolute best course of action is to smile and say thank you every single time they shove a dick up his ass, and it will be frequent. (I'm not joking.) They want docile unthinking sheep, and sheep don't make waves. If you are looking for a good fucking, GM is the land of milk and honey. edit: I'm old and I do not know about "hiring lists". He may have something, or may not. Threatening to sue him is laughable. HE can sue THEM if they failed to represent him contractually. |
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unions sell a service. negotiating contracts and representing members. and freeloaders. The government says union members make 30% more. Want to work for less? knock yourself out. they also represent. if they do a good job at their job, yes, slugs will get representation. just like everyone else who buys their services. in my personal experience, most discipline is mismanagement run amok- and damn lucky for all employees to have a contract and representation. idgaf if somebody didn't want to be union, don't. you can find low paying slave jobs anywhere. i enjoy making a lot more with better benefits with a contract that they can't just fuck with me. lastly, deadbeat slugs. if management does it's fucking job, there is no union who can prevent termination. far, far, far more often than not, management does a shitty job at their job and fucks everything up.  It turns out, less work for me is a fuck ton more work than these bastards were used to.
I agree that management often sucks at their job. However I feel like the only reason they suck so bad is that they are former union members themselves. They have already been unionized and have no idea how the real world functions. In the private sector if I wanted to fire someone, I fuckin fired them. Bye, bye. With the union, I have to write them up, four different times. Each time it will be greived. It is a ton of work and will most likely end with an EEO. Without a union individuals negotiate on their own merit. If wages are on average higher with a union, that only means people on average really suck. The people pulling their weight would be paid even more. The people who couldn't would be finding out if you would like fries. I stand by my fuck unions. |
| If your SIL has a meeting/talk with his union rep and the NAACP is also there there's much more going on than is made public. The union has more than 1 employer to put him to work at. If you start talking lawyer and such against the union and employer you can throw in the towel now. You won't be getting any work. The unions have lawyers too you know. Just listen to your business agent, show him you're a company man, and maybe he'll put you on a gravy job. I wouldn't want to get the reputation of making waves with your employer and the union it will stick with you. Just do what you're told to do. If you have a good worker you don't want to lose them. Hang in there it will be okay. It sounds like the NAACA is twisting your locals arm a bit. It will blow over. Good luck. |
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an attorney can't help you. this is nlrb jurisdiction. they handle all this work. Quoted:
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Your future SIL should probably talk with an attorney who specializes in this sort of thing. GM has their "equal opportunity" agenda, and the union has its SJW agenda. |
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Every union has different rules. Find your contract book and see what it says. It maybe temps are less union members than regular union members.
Anyways my experience as a union officer has been the actual members where the worst part. ready to bitch but never ready step up and help if the union needed. Just like any anything there are good ones and bad ones. Just like arfcomers most are retards but there are some good ones here and there. |
| Unions are cancer. One step away from welfare. Benefits and 'fair' compensation for those who 'work'. It just so happens that sometimes good, honest workers do get caught up in the bullshit and fucked by the employer, and sometimes the union helps them. Kinda like how every once in a while online SJW goonsquads target and destroy someone who truly does deserve it, but on the whole we'd be better off without them. |
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This is more GM than it is the union. With these types of jobs, the temp employees are just numbers as far as the company is concerned. They don't give a shit which temp employees become permanent. Any temp that's been there long enough to be hired permanently must not have an attendance problem and can do the jobs assigned to them or else they'd have been fired. (Temps don't enjoy the same disciplinary protections as permanent employees.) I also don't think this has anything to do with race. This is nothing more than a case of union nepotism. The woman is close to someone prominent within the union, or she's close to a union lackey, simple as that. |
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idgaf if somebody didn't want to be union, don't. you can find low paying slave jobs anywhere. i enjoy making a lot more with better benefits with a contract that they can't just fuck with me. lastly, deadbeat slugs. if management does it's fucking job, there is no union who can prevent termination. far, far, far more often than not,management does a shitty job at their job and fucks everything up. |