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6/2/2017 5:44:26 PM EDT
Hey guys. My current router is a linksys WRT110. Its probably 6+ years old. We have been having issues streaming and I am wondering if its not the router. The internet will get slow and I will have to reset it once and a while. When I do a speed test I get good speeds on hardwired in, not so good wireless. The amazon fire box is hard wired in.

I just got a Linksys ea6100 for 3$ at a garage sale. Is this a better router than my old WRT? It said the antennas help with range, which would be nice out in the garage. Just curious if its worth my time swapping it over. Figured if it wasn't, I would only be out 3$.
6/2/2017 5:48:44 PM EDT
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Try a different channel.
I had similar problem with wireless. And ended up with a new router that did not fix the problem till I limeted my bandwith to 30 mb on my game system and left 20 to share with the wirless system's
6/2/2017 5:50:28 PM EDT
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Try a different channel.
I had similar problem with wireless. And ended up with a new router that did not fix the problem till I limeted my bandwith to 30 mb on my game system and left 20 to share with the wirless system's
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Ok. I will have to look that up.
6/2/2017 5:53:30 PM EDT
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I am old enough that when you said router, I thought you talking about wood working.
6/2/2017 5:54:11 PM EDT
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Ok. I will have to look that up.
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Ok I found out how to change channels. Does it matter what band I pick? Its on 20/40 mhz and auto.
6/2/2017 5:54:36 PM EDT
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Ha. I hear ya
6/2/2017 5:54:40 PM EDT
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The newer AC routers are a big step forward.  And avoid the 2.4ghz band, 5ghz is MUCH less crowded.
6/2/2017 5:56:17 PM EDT
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The newer AC routers are a big step forward.  And avoid the 2.4ghz band, 5ghz is MUCH less crowded.
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Is that what I bought?
6/2/2017 5:57:15 PM EDT
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Speedtest.net.  I am surprised that you can stream at all with that router.  Get a Newer Router.  You should be good if you get something about $150.
6/2/2017 5:59:53 PM EDT
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Speedtest.net.  I am surprised that you can stream at all with that router.  Get a Newer Router.  You should be good if you get something about $150.
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Thats what I use to test my speeds with. I get 60mbps with a speed test though the fire box. I get 30ish via my laptop which is wireless.

We stream on the fire box and experience issues. Will a new router even fix this since its hardwired in?
6/2/2017 6:04:12 PM EDT
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If your computer savy... you can reflash the router and use dd-wrt.  Has ALOT of features over the stock router settings.   I did this with my old lnksys router, made a world of difference for me.



https://www.dd-wrt.com/site/
6/2/2017 6:06:47 PM EDT
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If your computer savy... you can reflash the router and use dd-wrt.  Has ALOT of features over the stock router settings.   I did this with my old lnksys router, made a world of difference for me.



https://www.dd-wrt.com/site/
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I searched on that site and it said "not supported"
6/2/2017 6:09:39 PM EDT
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There are reviews for that router back to 2008.  I would get something newer.
6/2/2017 6:10:55 PM EDT
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I searched on that site and it said "not supported"
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If your computer savy... you can reflash the router and use dd-wrt.  Has ALOT of features over the stock router settings.   I did this with my old lnksys router, made a world of difference for me.



https://www.dd-wrt.com/site/
I searched on that site and it said "not supported"
I always select my routers to run DD-WRT.
6/2/2017 6:11:06 PM EDT
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There are reviews for that router back to 2008.  I would get something newer.
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When you say that router which one? My current WRT or the "new" one I just bought the 6100. I know the WRT is old.
6/2/2017 6:15:07 PM EDT
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When you say that router which one? My current WRT or the "new" one I just bought the 6100. I know the WRT is old.
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There are reviews for that router back to 2008.  I would get something newer.
When you say that router which one? My current WRT or the "new" one I just bought the 6100. I know the WRT is old.
I saw reviews for the WRT110 back to 2008.
6/2/2017 6:17:11 PM EDT
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I saw reviews for the WRT110 back to 2008.
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Yes its old. Thats what I am trying to find out if this new router will do be any good. Or if a brand new one will even help out with the hardwired streaming.
6/2/2017 6:19:13 PM EDT
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This is the best non commercial one I have ever used: https://www.apple.com/airport-express/ I run my 10,000 square foot business off of it.
6/2/2017 6:36:33 PM EDT
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This is the best non commercial one I have ever used: https://www.apple.com/airport-express/ I run my 10,000 square foot business off of it.
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I was looking at this little box.... How well does it run?  What are you speeds on the wifi?  Lan?   Hows it work with android and window devices?


Sorry don't mean to thred jack...
6/2/2017 6:49:53 PM EDT
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I was looking at this little box.... How well does it run?  What are you speeds on the wifi?  Lan?   Hows it work with android and window devices?


Sorry don't mean to thred jack...
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Its all good, I was gonna bump it anyway. Still trying to find out if its worth hooking up the 6100, or if I need to buy a new one to fix my streaming issues.
6/2/2017 7:23:11 PM EDT
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The  Linksys ea6100: The AC1200 features dual wireless bands (2.4 GHz and 5 GHz) with data speeds up to N300 Mbps + AC867 Mbps*, great for media-intense applications such as video streaming and online gaming.

http://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-EA6100/#product-features

Better, but the only way to know for sure is to try it.
6/2/2017 10:04:35 PM EDT
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I will get it plugged in on Sunday and see how it does.
6/2/2017 10:10:50 PM EDT
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I am old enough that when you said router, I thought you talking about wood working.
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I'm old enough to remember when it was a device that delineated disparate layer 2 broadcast domains. OP is talking about some kind of radio wizardry. 
6/2/2017 10:38:14 PM EDT
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In true arfcom fashion of suggesting overly complicated shit....

If you can run cable, put in a couple of dedicated dual band access points and use a pfSense dedicated firewall/router.

I have two of these.
Amazon Product
  • 3 Dual-Band Antennas, 3 dBi each
  • Max. Power Consumption: 9W
  • Networking Interface: 2 10/100/1000 Ethernet Ports

And one of these.

SG-2440

pfSense can be run on most any PC with multiple NIC ports so the Netgate isn't a "must have".
Have signal all over my house and yard.

More expensive than a wal mart router/AP and more complex to setup for sure. But if you don't mind learning things and like to mess with radios and computer networks the performance and range is great.
6/2/2017 10:50:02 PM EDT
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Its all good, I was gonna bump it anyway. Still trying to find out if its worth hooking up the 6100, or if I need to buy a new one to fix my streaming issues.
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The 6100 specs are definitely better than the 110.   Wireless N and AC.   Slow AC(1200) but better than G only on the 110.

Someone made the comment about going with 5G since it's less crowded.    5G also typically does not have the range that 2.4 has so something to consider.    5G is fast the closer you get but drops off the further you get away faster than 2.4.   2.4G can have a stronger signal at longer distances.
6/2/2017 11:46:34 PM EDT
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Copy, thanks.

When your talking faster speeds, does that pertain just to wifi? Or hardwired devices as well?
6/3/2017 12:02:12 AM EDT
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Copy, thanks.

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Your internet connection is almost always the choke point. If you have 50mb/s internet connection it won't matter if you have a gigabit wired network or a 300mb/s wireless network your isp is still the bottleneck. If you have a media server or some such on your local network you might see improvements with a faster internal network.
6/3/2017 10:03:21 AM EDT
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Your internet connection is almost always the choke point. If you have 50mb/s internet connection it won't matter if you have a gigabit wired network or a 300mb/s wireless network your isp is still the bottleneck. If you have a media server or some such on your local network you might see improvements with a faster internal network.
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Ok. So what can I do at home to make it faster?
6/3/2017 10:23:26 AM EDT
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Ok. So what can I do at home to make it faster?
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First of all your connection speed to the internet is going to be controlled by how fast your ISP is supplying your acct.    Once you begin getting faster than 50 Mbit speeds your router may begin to limit your connection speeds simply because it's old enough to not have a high enough bandwidth to pass the speed/bandwidth.   Both your older routers only use 100 Mbit ports on both the WAN interface and the LAN interface.    Most newer routers now come with Gigabit WAN ports and Gigabit LAN ports.   But to take advantage of those faster "connect' speeds your equipment must also support those higher connect speeds.   i.e your desktop/laptop needs to have Gigabit ethernet ports.  On the wireless side your wireless connected equipment needs to have wireless "N" or wireless "AC" technology to connect to the router.

What is the speed of the plan you pay for from your ISP?
6/3/2017 10:46:38 AM EDT
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I wouldn't buy the EA6100  new but for $3 it's better than your old one.
6/3/2017 10:53:33 AM EDT
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I'm old enough to remember when it was a device that delineated disparate layer 2 broadcast domains. OP is talking about some kind of radio wizardry. 
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*snicker*

Back in my day, we didn't have all this fancy wi-fi. You wanted that naught photo, you had the download it over your 14,400 baud modem for hours. Wanted to share it, you had sneaker net it with floppys.

6/3/2017 10:56:31 AM EDT
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In true arfcom fashion of suggesting overly complicated shit....

If you can run cable, put in a couple of dedicated dual band access points and use a pfSense dedicated firewall/router.

I have two of these. www.amazon.com/dp/B015PRO512And one of these.

SG-2440

pfSense can be run on most any PC with multiple NIC ports so the Netgate isn't a "must have".
Have signal all over my house and yard.

More expensive than a wal mart router/AP and more complex to setup for sure. But if you don't mind learning things and like to mess with radios and computer networks the performance and range is great.
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All this but if the OP went down this road, (correct but complicated,) He would be better served using a security appliance such as an old Cisco ASA or Juniper.
6/3/2017 5:20:29 PM EDT
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First of all your connection speed to the internet is going to be controlled by how fast your ISP is supplying your acct.    Once you begin getting faster than 50 Mbit speeds your router may begin to limit your connection speeds simply because it's old enough to not have a high enough bandwidth to pass the speed/bandwidth.   Both your older routers only use 100 Mbit ports on both the WAN interface and the LAN interface.    Most newer routers now come with Gigabit WAN ports and Gigabit LAN ports.   But to take advantage of those faster "connect' speeds your equipment must also support those higher connect speeds.   i.e your desktop/laptop needs to have Gigabit ethernet ports.  On the wireless side your wireless connected equipment needs to have wireless "N" or wireless "AC" technology to connect to the router.

What is the speed of the plan you pay for from your ISP?
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@bamainark

Thanks for the explanation. My internet service provider is charter. I pay for the high speed internet. I think its 60mbps. When I check it its usually 50-60.
6/4/2017 12:07:25 PM EDT
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Ok. So I go the new router installed. Man that was a PITA. It took me over 2 hrs to get it going.  Guess we will see if it lags tonight during peek hours...
6/4/2017 12:51:29 PM EDT
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Ok. So I go the new router installed. Man that was a PITA. It took me over 2 hrs to get it going.  Guess we will see if it lags tonight during peek hours...
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What were the issues you were having?   Generally adding a new router is(or can be) pretty pain free.   Turn everything off.  Connect new router.   Power on modem followed shortly by powering on the new router.  The ISP sees the new MAC address of the router and issues a new DHCP WAN IP through the modem.  Of course that's the way it should go.

I would also check to make sure the ea6100 has the latest firmware installed.
6/4/2017 12:59:14 PM EDT
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What were the issues you were having?   Generally adding a new router is(or can be) pretty pain free.   Turn everything off.  Connect new router.   Power on modem followed shortly by powering on the new router.  The ISP sees the new MAC address of the router and issues a new DHCP WAN IP through the modem.  Of course that's the way it should go.

I would also check to make sure the ea6100 has the latest firmware installed.
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Ok. So I go the new router installed. Man that was a PITA. It took me over 2 hrs to get it going.  Guess we will see if it lags tonight during peek hours...
What were the issues you were having?   Generally adding a new router is(or can be) pretty pain free.   Turn everything off.  Connect new router.   Power on modem followed shortly by powering on the new router.  The ISP sees the new MAC address of the router and issues a new DHCP WAN IP through the modem.  Of course that's the way it should go.

I would also check to make sure the ea6100 has the latest firmware installed.
It probably had settings left over from the last owner and needed to be reset to factory settings.
6/4/2017 1:06:32 PM EDT
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Of course that's always a possibility as well.  Hardware reset seems appropriate.
6/4/2017 4:38:37 PM EDT
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What were the issues you were having?   Generally adding a new router is(or can be) pretty pain free.   Turn everything off.  Connect new router.   Power on modem followed shortly by powering on the new router.  The ISP sees the new MAC address of the router and issues a new DHCP WAN IP through the modem.  Of course that's the way it should go.

I would also check to make sure the ea6100 has the latest firmware installed.
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After finding the instructions I got it almost setup when I clicked a option to delete the 2.4?ghz guest connection. I thought my pc was new enough to run the 5ghz but i was wrong. It took me a while to research why I couldn't connect to the 5ghz but my pc is too old (3 or 4 years tops). So I had to reset the router and start over. It took me a few tries to reset and get my pc to connect. Finally got it and reset it up.
6/4/2017 4:39:56 PM EDT
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Also, yes there were old settings on it hence the hard reset. It just took multiple tries to get it to actually reset and connect to my pc.

It said it was up to date when I plugged it in.
6/4/2017 6:00:00 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with 2.4 Ghz if you're running "N" vs "G".
6/4/2017 6:02:37 PM EDT
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Lots of routers have both Freqs. One is for high speed like gaming and streaming and the other is for like web browsing.
6/4/2017 6:02:46 PM EDT
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It's probably your signal getting interference from your neighbors. Go spend $100 for a new router if you want any improvement.
6/4/2017 6:14:07 PM EDT
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Thats what I use to test my speeds with. I get 60mbps with a speed test though the fire box. I get 30ish via my laptop which is wireless.

We stream on the fire box and experience issues. Will a new router even fix this since its hardwired in?
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I get 23 mbps when connected with ethernet cable. Is that too slow to stream
6/4/2017 8:55:18 PM EDT
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So we just tried streaming a little tv and it was skipping around a little. Voice was ok. I did a speed test and it was around 60mbps. Should we fast enough. Time to get a new, new router?
6/4/2017 9:19:31 PM EDT
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What else is inline with your system? Cable Modem? How old is that interface? What model? What is the speed service that you pay for?

So, you are using a hard wire connection for "streaming," but are having "issues?"
6/4/2017 9:38:57 PM EDT
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So we just tried streaming a little tv and it was skipping around a little. Voice was ok. I did a speed test and it was around 60mbps. Should we fast enough. Time to get a new, new router?
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Before you go any further I suggest you connect your PC directly to the modem and get your internet directly through the modem bypassing the router.   See if you can stream any tv shows on your PC without issues.
Run the test from this site:   Sourceforge Internet Speed Test
6/4/2017 9:42:54 PM EDT
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What else is inline with your system? Cable Modem? How old is that interface? What model? What is the speed service that you pay for?

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Cable modem sends a hardline approx 15 feet to the router. The amazon fire box is hardlined to the router (5' Cable)

Modem is owned by charter. Is an arris brand model TM822G I would imagine its 4ish years old?

I pay for 60 mbps.
6/4/2017 9:44:28 PM EDT
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Before you go any further I suggest you connect your PC directly to the modem and get your internet directly through the modem bypassing the router.   See if you can stream any tv shows on your PC without issues.
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Ok. I can try that. We are streaming a movie right now and its not bad at all. Only seems to be when we watch live tv.
6/4/2017 11:36:42 PM EDT
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Router is old and crappy, but thats already been covered, and the ubiquity posted above is great bang for buck for mid level consumer stuff.

How old are the wireless devices being used. even the latest greatest routers capable of doing both 2.4 and 5 ghz and b/g/n/ac goes to the lowest common denominator of devices on your WAP. if you have a 10 yr ear old laptop pc brick screaming along at b speeds, then lucky you, so is your brand new $2k arfcom machine :)  Also consider a much shorter radius than the manufacturer claims from your Wap to be effective distance (maybe half). the further you get form your wap,speeds drop off because physics. Home construction/ line of sight obstructions play a role as well. if you just got your kid a 100 gallon fish tank, or a new file cabinet in the office  and slapped it down between you and your Wap, then bye bye internet.

Somebody above mentioned changing the channel, there is no way to know the best channel unless you know whats already being used. Download a cheap/free spectrum analyzer for your phone and pick the least cluttered channel. not the best answer, but its better than nothing.

Good luck
6/5/2017 6:11:38 PM EDT
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Ok so I was experiencing lagging while watching tv. I plugged the fire box directly into the internet cable coming from the model (bypassed the router) and it still skipped. Bad modem?
6/5/2017 6:55:24 PM EDT
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Just called charter (internet company) and they did some tests. They said all is good on their end and its has to be the firebox..
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