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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:28:31 PM EDT
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Ford 7.3
Edit: Just to add, the current Ford 6.7 is a absolute monster that will go down in history as one of their best engines. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:32:14 PM EDT
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Instead of just the transmission being a consumable on a Dodge, they made the whole vehicle a consumable.
Unless you like, never get it wet or drive near the ocean or in snow, I guess. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:35:19 PM EDT
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They are all more than capable of towing anything you can realistically hook to them. I prefer the duramax/Allison combo. It's proven itself for nearly 15 years. Only possible weakness can be the ifs if you do a bunch of off roading, though I've never managed to break one. Pick the one you like aesthetically and can get a decent deal on.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:40:06 PM EDT
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Cummins with the G56 manual. It doesn't get any better than that. However, keep in mind a new diesel is choked to death with EPA requirements, EGR system, DEF system, etc.
Also, there is no "G" in Cummins. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:43:56 PM EDT
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Cummins with the G56 manual. It doesn't get any better than that. However, keep in mind a new diesel is choked to death with EPA requirements, EGR system, DEF system, etc. Also, there is no "G" in Cummins. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:44:54 PM EDT
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The new 6.7 Fords have redeemed themselves from their 6.0-6.4 total FUBAR.
The new dodge transmissions are light years ahead of the old 60K mile 4 speed automatics. Overall: ALL new diesels are screwed because of the emissions standards and DEF. I personally don't like going too far away from stock, there's always tradeoffs. Thus why me and the ranch drive 5.9 Cummins and 7.3 powerstrokes, with newer pickups being gassers. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:49:43 PM EDT
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They are less than they could be (in many, many ways), but still are beasts compared to my little gasser.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:49:45 PM EDT
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Just curious what the feel is about the currently strength and weaknesses of the the 3 majors 3/4 ton trucks. in the past Allison was the standard transmition, Cummings (or Ford 7.2) was the favorite engine, and Ford was the best Truck (other than transmition and engine). Ford killed their reputation with the 6.0 and 6.4. Dodge transmition were a consumable part. Not sure the issue with Chevy -probably the engine was less powerful. now other than the front axle on the Chevy, the Ford frame-what are the current strengths and weaknesses. not a weakness |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:12:14 PM EDT
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I've had a 06 6.0 Ford diesel, 10 6.4 Ford diesel, 11 6.0 Chevy gasser, 12 6.0 Chevy gasser, 2 13 6.0 Chevy gassers, a 12' 5.7 Dodge gasser, a 11 6.7 Dodge diesel, a 12' 6.7 Dodge diesel, a 13 6.7 Dodge diesel, and a 15 6.6 Chevy diesel, and now have a 17 6.7 Ford diesel as a personal truck. The rest were all work trucks. After the 13 Dodge brakes froze upon me and sent me through an intersection at 75 mph I called our shop and told them to send a tow truck and I'll never drive one of those pieces of shit again. I went through 4 dodges in 3 months. One was the brakes, one transmission, and 2 front differentials. The Chevy gassers never had an issue in the over 400k miles I put on them, and I only had my 15 Duramax for 60k before leaving the company. Not an issue besides routine maintenance on any of them. The 6.0 Ford was traded for the 6.4 Ford when the motor detonated at 185k. The 6.4 smoked itself with 75k right after I departed the company. Our whole fleet of dodges had major issues, which we transitioned to Chevys immediately after. Our maintenance went to nil instantly, and remained very low even when the new trucks started in the 150k range. The Dodges were constant issues after 50k. My new F-350 only has 1k miles on it, so it's too early to tell anything. It is the most impresive truck I've driven to date, and I drove several of each model before settling on the new Super Duty.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:30:11 PM EDT
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Just curious what the feel is about the currently strength and weaknesses of the the 3 majors 3/4 ton trucks. in the past Allison was the standard transmition, Cummings (or Ford 7.2) was the favorite engine, and Ford was the best Truck (other than transmition and engine). Ford killed their reputation with the 6.0 and 6.4. Dodge transmition were a consumable part. Not sure the issue with Chevy -probably the engine was less powerful. now other than the front axle on the Chevy, the Ford frame-what are the current strengths and weaknesses. Well this is the weakness of this post |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:31:51 PM EDT
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06 6.0 was a good truck until it detonated. I used it to pull a 35' fifth wheel all over the south for work, as well as our gooseneck flatbeds. When it grenaded it was traded for an identical 10 F-350 DRW 6.4. No issues from it, but my buddy at the company told me it took a crap within 10k miles of me leaving. Same usage. Next truck was the 11' Chevy 6.0 that was almost miled out when I got a hold of it. 160k trouble free miles and I traded it for my 12' 6.0 Chevy. I only put 30k of those miles on the 11. The 12' saw 199k miles of pure hell on shitty lease roads with 1000-3000 lbs in the bed at all times. Next I got my 13' 6.0 Chevy. Same usage, but I left the company by the time it got to 120k miles. No issues. Started my new job and was in a 12' 5.7 Dodge 2500 that the transmission took a shit on me at around 80k miles. I had only been in it 5k. Jumped in a spare 11' 6.7 Cummins, and had a differential grenade on me the first time I shifted it into 4wd. Next was the 12' Cummins. Differential grenaded on me within a month. It had seen 4wd usage from me approx 4-5 times. while it was in the shop I had recieved a 13' Cummins with approx 100k miles. Brakes took a dump on me while doing 80 down the highway rolling up to an intersection. Next was another 13 Chevy 6.0 Gasser. I drove it from 80k when I got it to 120k when it miled out by the company policy. No issues with it either. Recieved my 15' Duramax and had no issues with it either. I didn't stay with the company too long after receiving it though. Maybe 60k miles.
I've been in Chevy half ton gassers since then without issue, but was missing the diesels. I pull trailers regularly to the mountains loaded with our side by sides or camper. Decided to sell my personal truck and snag the new Super Duty. This F-350 ride better than my half tons ever dreamed of, and has more than enough torque to drag anything I can latch on to. The downside is the price and emissions BS. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:32:12 PM EDT
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I've had a 06 6.0 Ford diesel, 10 6.4 Ford diesel, 11 6.0 Chevy gasser, 12 6.0 Chevy gasser, 2 13 6.0 Chevy gassers, a 12' 5.7 Dodge gasser, a 11 6.7 Dodge diesel, a 12' 6.7 Dodge diesel, a 13 6.7 Dodge diesel, and a 15 6.6 Chevy diesel, and now have a 17 6.7 Ford diesel as a personal truck. The rest were all work trucks. After the 13 Dodge brakes froze upon me and sent me through an intersection at 75 mph I called our shop and told them to send a tow truck and I'll never drive one of those pieces of shit again. I went through 4 dodges in 3 months. One was the brakes, one transmission, and 2 front differentials. The Chevy gassers never had an issue in the over 400k miles I put on them, and I only had my 15 Duramax for 60k before leaving the company. Not an issue besides routine maintenance on any of them. The 6.0 Ford was traded for the 6.4 Ford when the motor detonated at 185k. The 6.4 smoked itself with 75k right after I departed the company. Our whole fleet of dodges had major issues, which we transitioned to Chevys immediately after. Our maintenance went to nil instantly, and remained very low even when the new trucks started in the 150k range. The Dodges were constant issues after 50k. My new F-350 only has 1k miles on it, so it's too early to tell anything. It is the most impresive truck I've driven to date, and I drove several of each model before settling on the new Super Duty. ETA - as also stated, if you don't absolutely need a diesel I would go with a chevy gasser everytime. I hear good things about these new eco-boosts but I guarentee over the life of the vehicle that chevy will be much less! |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:36:17 PM EDT
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What this guy said is what I have personally experienced. I think the ford is probably the best "over-all" truck. But as far engine/tranny etc I would have to go with the Chevy's EVERY TIME, even if the rest of the truck drives me nuts - small things like windows, doors, electronics, etc. ETA - as also stated, if you don't absolutely need a diesel I would go with a chevy gasser everytime. I hear good things about these new eco-boosts but I guarentee over the life of the vehicle that chevy will be much less! |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:37:41 PM EDT
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Cummins with the G56 manual. It doesn't get any better than that. However, keep in mind a new diesel is choked to death with EPA requirements, EGR system, DEF system, etc. Also, there is no "G" in Cummins. BTW, the G56 is a Mercedes design from the Daimler Benz days, as used in their Euro 2-3 ton trucks. It's stout. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:41:03 PM EDT
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Ha yeah chevy never left me stranded either. I have always loved there drive trains. And they are much cheaper and easier to work on. Don't get me wrong I do like the Fords as well. I just related to the chevys better. And exactly like you said, I have had the exact same experience with dodge, NEVER AGAIN!
Not sure what you do for work, this is all experience from Iowa corn country. From a guy who would love to sell everything and find a job down in Texas and move! LOL |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:53:55 PM EDT
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For 5 years I ran tools on drilling rigs in the oilfield. Lived in my truck, and saw the house every 2-3 days just long enough to shower and nap. The past few years I've been in the sales side of things, hence my transitioning to half ton trucks.
Grew up farming and ranching, but we're out of that now. We still have a couple hundred acres and farm house, but we don't farm it anymore. Neighbor runs cattle for us, and we still have a bit of equipment out there. I mostly use it as an excuse to get out of town now. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:58:56 PM EDT
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Ford 7.3 Edit: Just to add, the current Ford 6.7 is a absolute monster that will go down in history as one of their best engines. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 6:00:40 PM EDT
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I recently pulled a 14,000 pound Sunflower chisel over 80 miles with my 2002 Dodge diesel. Took 4 hours but we made it.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 6:02:39 PM EDT
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They all fucking suck with all the EPA junk shit. Delete it and all will serve your needs. That being said. Cummins or nothing.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 6:10:58 PM EDT
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I can say from experience, that the new Ram's suck ballsack. They are the same cheap shit from the '90's....good drivetrain, shitty body and interior. Stay away.
Buy Ford if you want a truck Buy GM if you want a truck body on a car frame 'Buy' Ram only if you are leasing for a few years at a time. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 6:37:00 PM EDT
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This is what I have in my '07 3/4 ton quad cab short box. Deletes/disables done with H&S mini max tuner. Runs like a raped ape. Pulled 17k lbs mini last year and was a little nervous about the hills and exceeding the limits but no worries. Have air bags out back and exhaust brake. Leveling kit only and fits 315's just fine. Get 17.5 mpg with a heavy foot. Love the 6 speed! BTW, the G56 is a Mercedes design from the Daimler Benz days, as used in their Euro 2-3 ton trucks. It's stout. |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 11:58:42 PM EDT
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Went light shopping today. Hit a dealer of all 3. Ford dealer did not have a post bailout facelift. That said it was a very pleasant experiance.
Second was the dodge. I used the same speil-tell me why I should buy a dodge, and why It should be from you (they all skipped the second part). The second part was quite surprising, He said if I did not know why I should but a Dodge over the Ford or Chevy already I should just leave. Did not want to waste my time going to a different dealer, so asked if I could at least sit in one at least. Chevy dealer was at least more polite. A few issues made me feel they were marketing to a different demographic than me (none of their vehicles had a trailer prep package, and most were the highest trim package). They never offered to even turn an engine on, and it was the only truck I did was not offered a chance to sit in. i had my kids in tow today, so no dealer offered a test drive. The Chevy dealer did mention it was the best way to experiance the vehicle. The Dodge dealer wanted to get me pre-approved, not dealer financing and not worried about approval-unless they feel I am an unworthy driver of their brand truck |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 12:07:18 AM EDT
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Ford all the way.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 12:28:55 AM EDT
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I don't like the DEF tanks on the GM diesels. Begging to get torn off.
I have a dodge diesel and a ford diesel, and both have run well and done their job. The Ford is the one I like better though, and the 6.7 has absolutely kicked butt. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 12:43:49 AM EDT
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Just curious what the feel is about the currently strength and weaknesses of the the 3 majors 3/4 ton trucks. in the past Allison was the standard transmition, Cummings (or Ford 7.2) was the favorite engine, and Ford was the best Truck (other than transmition and engine). Ford killed their reputation with the 6.0 and 6.4. Dodge transmition were a consumable part. Not sure the issue with Chevy -probably the engine was less powerful. now other than the front axle on the Chevy, the Ford frame-what are the current strengths and weaknesses. not a weakness I broke those things like they were made of hard candy. Easy to change and not expensive, mostly just inconvenient. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 12:50:22 AM EDT
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The CV joints on my 05 2500HD were a weak point. I broke those things like they were made of hard candy. Easy to change and not expensive, mostly just inconvenient. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 1:03:51 AM EDT
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That suprises me. I have an 05 2500 duramax tuned to over 600 hp and havent managed to snap one yet. It gets used and abused too. Front wheels get on a hard surface and the CV joint would pop. Never had that problem with my Ford solid axles but those trucks had a larger turn radius. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 1:33:00 AM EDT
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176k on my 2006 LBZ Chevy. 100% reliability. Tows my 38 ft haulmark Edge gooseneck loaded to the gills awesome.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 1:39:12 AM EDT
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Cummins with the G56 manual. It doesn't get any better than that. However, keep in mind a new diesel is choked to death with EPA requirements, EGR system, DEF system, etc. Also, there is no "G" in Cummins. 
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Posted: 5/23/2017 1:40:12 AM EDT
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Varying traction surfaces with wheels turned while in 4wd and carrying or pulling fairly heavy loads is what was always doing them in. Front wheels get on a hard surface and the CV joint would pop. Never had that problem with my Ford solid axles but those trucks had a larger turn radius. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 5:51:10 AM EDT
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I had my 2002 avalanche for 11 years, 200k miles and a ton of hard off roading/mudding Never had to replace a CV http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/truck/truck1_zps0af2db09.jpg Had several other Chevy mudders I ran around with as well, none of them Every broke a CV. In fact, I think you are about the only person I have even heard from who says they have broken one. My chevy 2006 3500 dually, while I don't go mudding anymore, it sees it's share of off road use between the farm And camping trips. 240k miles with the original CV's in it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/truck/chevypower_zps3edba507.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/Mobile%20Uploads/NCM_0355_zpsb5b4b700.jpg Just yesterday I was maneuvering around a gooseneck dump box trailer with 20k lbs of maple. Been raining the last couple of weeks, needed 4low to get it turned around and backed up. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 5:58:52 AM EDT
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They will all break, and will all cost more than a gasser to fix when they do.
That said. I know a guy that has been abusing a 6.7 for awhile now, and it's a monster. I'll be getting one as my next truck. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:13:42 AM EDT
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Just curious what the feel is about the currently strength and weaknesses of the the 3 majors 3/4 ton trucks. in the past Allison was the standard transmition, Cummings (or Ford 7.2) was the favorite engine, and Ford was the best Truck (other than transmition and engine). Ford killed their reputation with the 6.0 and 6.4. Dodge transmition were a consumable part. Not sure the issue with Chevy -probably the engine was less powerful. now other than the front axle on the Chevy, the Ford frame-what are the current strengths and weaknesses. The biggest weaknesses are basic spelling and grammar. Apparently they've gone downhill in recent years. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:27:49 AM EDT
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Instead of just the transmission being a consumable on a Dodge, they made the whole vehicle a consumable. Unless you like, never get it wet or drive near the ocean or in snow, I guess. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:33:40 AM EDT
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I do like the 6.7 in my F350. Just rolled 100k and not a single issue other than an EGT sensor replaced under warranty. Now that im out of warranty it may be wearing a few less parts, and making a bit more power though
I think any offering from the big 3 will serve you well these days |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:50:30 AM EDT
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I just went through this a few months ago. Sold my 07 Duramax and bought this. I couldn't be happier with my decision.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:25:19 AM EDT
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I just went through this a few months ago. Sold my 07 Duramax and bought this. I couldn't be happier with my decision. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/40939/IMG-3949-214647.JPG |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:53:28 AM EDT
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Just curious what the feel is about the currently strength and weaknesses of the the 3 majors 3/4 ton trucks. in the past Allison was the standard transmition, Cummings (or Ford 7.2) was the favorite engine, and Ford was the best Truck (other than transmition and engine). Ford killed their reputation with the 6.0 and 6.4. Dodge transmition were a consumable part. Not sure the issue with Chevy -probably the engine was less powerful. now other than the front axle on the Chevy, the Ford frame-what are the current strengths and weaknesses. "Cummings", really? Ford 7.2? 4 mistakes in one sentence, wow. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:00:35 AM EDT
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Just curious what the feel is about the currently strength and weaknesses of the the 3 majors 3/4 ton trucks. in the past Allison was the standard transmition, Cummings (or Ford 7.2) was the favorite engine, and Ford was the best Truck (other than transmition and engine). Ford killed their reputation with the 6.0 and 6.4. Dodge transmition were a consumable part. Not sure the issue with Chevy -probably the engine was less powerful. now other than the front axle on the Chevy, the Ford frame-what are the current strengths and weaknesses. not a weakness |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:01:07 AM EDT
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Don't care for the wheels, but that is a nice looking truck. What trim level? XLT? |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:01:26 AM EDT
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Went light shopping today. Hit a dealer of all 3. Ford dealer did not have a post bailout facelift. That said it was a very pleasant experiance. Second was the dodge. I used the same speil-tell me why I should buy a dodge, and why It should be from you (they all skipped the second part). The second part was quite surprising, He said if I did not know why I should but a Dodge over the Ford or Chevy already I should just leave. Did not want to waste my time going to a different dealer, so asked if I could at least sit in one at least. Chevy dealer was at least more polite. A few issues made me feel they were marketing to a different demographic than me (none of their vehicles had a trailer prep package, and most were the highest trim package). They never offered to even turn an engine on, and it was the only truck I did was not offered a chance to sit in. i had my kids in tow today, so no dealer offered a test drive. The Chevy dealer did mention it was the best way to experiance the vehicle. The Dodge dealer wanted to get me pre-approved, not dealer financing and not worried about approval-unless they feel I am an unworthy driver of their brand truck |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:06:13 AM EDT
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Lariat Just trying to get feedback on the new Super Duty from actual owners. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:16:08 AM EDT
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...Chevys all had electrical gremlins for sure. And while I go back to multiple very good 7.3s, I am now unable to trust Ford with a Diesel engine. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:33:03 AM EDT
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Ive never understood why people think it is. I imagine there is more to go wrong with high miles, but you never seem to hear complaints about durability. I personally do not like how the gm 2500/3500 trucks ride. Front end takes bumps great and then rear end bucks. I think the dodge and Ford feel more balanced even if the front end is bumpier. As someone who used to develop Diesel engines, stay away from them unless you like spending a lot of money. Cummins has the most reliable fuel system. Gm and Ford with the newer Bosch fuel pumps are like ticking time bombs. One bad tank of fuel and bam $8k to fix. Gm has a Denso fuel system now. It will be interesting to see if it is more reliable. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:38:33 AM EDT
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What do you like about the truck? Is there anything you don't like about it? Just trying to get feedback on the new Super Duty from actual owners. Mine is the Lariat basic, ultimate trailer tow. Heavy gvw, heated/cooled seats, 8.3" touch screen. Ford really put a lot of thought in to the options for a working truck. Cameras, lighting, suspension seem really tailored to towing and longevity. Horsepower and torque are awesome. Mileage is better than expected. I was gettting 17.5 on stock tires, and I'm gettin 16 around town on 35-12.50x20's. I loved my Duramax, and looked at the big three when I bought this one. To me, the Ford blew them all out of the water by a wide margin. Mine only has 4000 miles on it. I have yet to find something I don't like. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:39:32 AM EDT
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The biggest weaknesses are basic spelling and grammar. Apparently they've gone downhill in recent years. OP. the current dodge transmissions are not the ones of the past. granted they aren't meant to take 700 off the backside of a modded Cummins 6.7 but the trannies are still good. you really can't beat a deleted Cummins regardless of what rumors your "buddy with a bitchin stroke' told ya" |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:02:12 AM EDT
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Cummins with the G56 manual. It doesn't get any better than that. However, keep in mind a new diesel is choked to death with EPA requirements, EGR system, DEF system, etc. Also, there is no "G" in Cummins. The nv4500 and nv5600 were both superior. The only issue with them now is parts availability. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:18:35 AM EDT
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I think it is because if you spend most of the time loaded or towing you have to get the truck aligned that way or it will eat front tires. I imagine there is more to go wrong with high miles, but you never seem to hear complaints about durability. I personally do not like how the gm 2500/3500 trucks ride. Front end takes bumps great and then rear end bucks. I think the dodge and Ford feel more balanced even if the front end is bumpier. As someone who used to develop Diesel engines, stay away from them unless you like spending a lot of money. Cummins has the most reliable fuel system. Gm and Ford with the newer Bosch fuel pumps are like ticking time bombs. One bad tank of fuel and bam $8k to fix. Gm has a Denso fuel system now. It will be interesting to see if it is more reliable. One bad tank of fuel would cause problems but they have these fancy round cans called fuel filters these days. You used to develop engines huh? |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 2:03:05 PM EDT
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Cummins still uses a cp3 as far as I know and duramax used to use a cp3. They're pretty hardy pumps. If I'm not mistaken the ford 6.7 and newer duramax use cp4 pumps and are the ones that are extremely sensitive to trash or water and will grenade and wipe out injectors too. There's actually an aftermarket kit to convert the newer duramax engines back to a cp3 pump. They actually flow more fuel than the cp4. Newer trucks all have piezo injectors and have less leakage than older injectors so the pumps don't need to produce as much flow to account for that leakage.
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