Posted: 5/6/2017 5:57:19 PM EDT
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I have several HD / SHTF ar's. All are topped with Aimpoint or Eotech.
I have 3 new builds right now. I put a PA red dot on 1 and have a Steiner P4xi coming for the 2nd. These 3 rifles are just for fun "extras". Most shooting will be 0-200 yards. Help me decide what to put on the last one. Here are my choices. Leupold vxr 1-4 firedot circle. I don't want the patrol because of the exposed turrets. I like the light weight of the vxr, auto on /off but the higher 1.25-1.5x low end concerns me. Should it? PA gen 3 acss 1-6. I like the idea of a 1-6, I like the acss reticle. Not sure if the 6x will be that great with the cheaper glass. Is poor glass a valid concern on this scope? Trijicon MRO - I just want to try it. Holosun 503GU. Just to see how the cheap Chinese junk holds up. What do you guys think I should go with and why? Thanks in advance. |
I just put a PA gen 3 1-6 on my savage and love it. Got it sighted in today and the glass is great, I think my Leupold mark AR mod 1 3-9 has better glass but the PA isnt bad at all. I also have a Holosun 503c on my scorpion. its a year old still on its original battery. holds zero no complaints about it
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I guess it really depends on your intended purpose. do you want a level of zoom? go with the 1-6 or 1-8 if not go with the red dot. Also are you on a tight budget if so holosun if not trijicon
The PA 1-6 is very very close to true 1x the original Gen1 I had was terrible on 1x it was probably a 1.25-1.5x |
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LOL.
As I figured. All different opinions. @Evile Does the PA 1-6 glass cloud or blur around the edges? Is it clear? I think the leupold that you mentioned has vx1 glass. The vxr supposedly uses vx2 glass. So I'm afraid the PA will be a lot worse than the vxr. But that is understandable because the PA is almost half the cost and 2x higher magnification. Can't get everything for cheap. I'd really like to try the MRO but I already have so many rds. It seems redundant but I really want to try 1. ACOG wasn't on the list  . It's twice the cost of the most expensive on my list plus it's a fixed magnification. No go.
Thanks so far. This is going to be tough. . |
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LOL. As I figured. All different opinions. @Evile Does the PA 1-6 glass cloud or blur around the edges? Is it clear? I think the leupold that you mentioned has vx1 glass. The vxr supposedly uses vx2 glass. So I'm afraid the PA will be a lot worse than the vxr. But that is understandable because the PA is almost half the cost and 2x higher magnification. Can't get everything for cheap. I'd really like to try the MRO but I already have so many rds. It seems redundant but I really want to try 1. ACOG wasn't on the list . It's twice the cost of the most expensive on my list plus it's a fixed magnification. No go.
Thanks so far. This is going to be tough. . |
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Leupold is the only option I see. Great company and great scopes. Red dots are an idiotic fad. Don't see how people get off while starting at a laser pointer. The rest of what you listed is literal Chinese shit. |
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ever shot with a good red dot? they are much faster Quoted:
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Leupold is the only option I see. Great company and great scopes. Red dots are an idiotic fad. Don't see how people get off while starting at a laser pointer. The rest of what you listed is literal Chinese shit. There's a reason their state sucks. |
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Seems pretty clear to me if you are right behind it. The eye box is a little sensitive so you get that scope shadow on the edges. I paid $350 with a PA mount. Its a budget optic no doubt but still a good one. I wish i could afford 1K+ optics but not an option for me I agree on cost. I like to keep the optics around $500. $1k+ just seems crazy for my needs. Especially when you can build great AR'S under $800. Even less if you use cheaper components. Thanks again. . |
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Running one now and very much enjoy it. It will be challenged by the UH-1 soon, and we'll see which comes out on top. Quoted:
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MRO will lead to you selling your other RDs and replacing them with MROs. Just a warning. It will be challenged by the UH-1 soon, and we'll see which comes out on top. 1/4 lb heavier than MRO with mount, much shorter battery life, larger foot print, not made in the USA Same price as MRO with ADM mount. |
| To answer your direct question, I don't think the 1.25 or 1.5 Leupold will bother you. I actually prefer the 1.5 to the 1.25. Few, if any, low power variables are really 1x. Leupold just admits it. The Leupolds are the only illuminated LPV options that don't weigh a pound or more. |
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To answer your direct question, I don't think the 1.25 or 1.5 Leupold will bother you. I actually prefer the 1.5 to the 1.25. Few, if any, low power variables are really 1x. Leupold just admits it. The Leupolds are the only illuminated LPV options that don't weigh a pound or more. That is my main concern of the vxr. Coming from rds I am worried that the 1.25 will make me all cross eyed  running with both eyes open.
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Leupold is the only option I see. Great company and great scopes. Red dots are an idiotic fad. Don't see how people get off while starring at a laser pointer. The rest of what you listed is literal Chinese shit. |
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The UH-1 is indeed made in the USA. Quoted:
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I looked at the UH-1 but probably not going to get one. 1/4 lb heavier than MRO with mount, much shorter battery life, larger foot print, not made in the USA Same price as MRO with ADM mount. I will be buying one. |
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Thank you!!! Very helpful info. That is my main concern of the vxr. Coming from rds I am worried that the 1.25 will make me all cross eyed running with both eyes open.
. The 1.25X on the low end is less of and issue if you train with it. You'll be a little slower acquiring coming up and getting onto target, but once you're there, it's very fast in transition. It will never be as fast as a RD, but what is? So train around it. I run LPVO's in 3-Gun and even with daylight visible illumination, a tube optic won't be as fast as a quality RD. So, a couple of years back I started just using just a front sight mounted on a 45 degree forward mount. It was pretty fast, but I wondering if I could just take that off as well and use the muzzle like a shotgun rib. You know what? It works pretty fucking good. From contact distance to 5-7 meters it's great for fast, center mass hits.... *IF* you train for it. Turns out I wasn't inventing anything and lots of guys do this. Just some food for thought. |
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The VXR is an excellent optic for an "all around". The reticle sucks for ranges over 300-ish meters, but for practical ranges? Set your dope at 50 meters, hold center mass and rock it. The 1.25X on the low end is less of and issue if you train with it. You'll be a little slower acquiring coming up and getting onto target, but once you're there, it's very fast in transition. It will never be as fast as a RD, but what is? So train around it. I run LPVO's in 3-Gun and even with daylight visible illumination, a tube optic won't be as fast as a quality RD. So, a couple of years back I started just using just a front sight mounted on a 45 degree forward mount. It was pretty fast, but I wondering if I could just take that off as well and use the muzzle like a shotgun rib. You know what? It works pretty fucking good. From contact distance to 5-7 meters it's great for fast, center mass hits.... *IF* you train for it. Turns out I wasn't inventing anything and lots of guys do this. Just some food for thought. Great info. Thank you. I think I'm narrowing in on the vxr and mro now. All this input has been helpful. Thanks everyone. . |
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Thanks everyone.
I think I'm going to wait till I get the Steiner and get some trigger time with it. If I like the LPV scope I'll probably go with the vxr. If I don't like it all that much, I'll go mro. No sense in buying another LPV until I know I like them. When most of my shooting is 200 or less, I'm not sure giving up the quickness of a rds is worth it to go LPV. Hitting man sized targets at 200 with a rds is reasonably easy. Once I get the Steiner I'll know for sure if I want to add another LPV or stick with red dots. . |