With all the talk of 150,000 Chinese troops massing on their southern border with North Korea, what organizationally would this represent to them?

10 Divisions? An Army group? Two Army groups?

Do they put their forces together in a similar way as western countries do?

In Kill Boxes.

Like a fire drill.

They bring them to the table in these:

Column A, Column B, Column C

Pratoon

Soooo....87th Abacus Division?

HA

Last timed they tried something like this they got their ass handed to them by the NVA.

By human wave.

150,000k is nothing for the PLA and the PRC security appurtenance.

The PLA alone is just under 3 million people. 

 Conscription Compulsory by law, but never enforced. Active personnel 2,300,000 (2017). Reserve personnel 510,000 (2017)

Ass a lotta MuGuGaiPan

Team of Sum Hung Guy.

2 per ATV with the shoulder fired launcher riding bitch if he don't fall off.

They are commanded by General Tso. 

Human wave, supported by arty, according to Grandpappy Green2Blue30. Nothing a pissed off 11B with a BAR and  a fifth of whiskey can't handle.

Though I suppose things might have changed a bit since 1951...

Chinese org


A typical PLAGF armored brigade has 4 tank battalions (124 main battle tanks) – each tank battalion has 3 tank companies (30 + 1 tank for the battalion commander), 1 mechanized infantry battalion (40 armored personnel carriers), 1 artillery battalion (18 self-propelled howitzers) – 3 batteries of 6 guns each and 1 anti-aircraft battalionThere are 8 active artillery divisions consisting of a number of artillery brigades. A typical PLAGF artillery brigade has 4 artillery battalions each with 18 guns in 3 batteries and 1 self-propelled anti-tank gun battalion (18 vehicles).
That's around 120 + SP howitzers.

Someone texted this to me when i asked what 150k of chinese looked like

Penal battalions of course.

Thanks! That's what I was wondering.

I would imagine it won't be a human wave of uneducated conscripts.  They watched us in 1991 where we took a very large Iraqi army and destroyed it with just about 30 days of constant airstrikes.  Of course, the USAF had the luck of modern air bases ; if the Saudis didn't allow us, it would have been different.  

I think those 150K on the northern border of NK would keep those refugees would keep them on the NK side, and would be carrying about 80 tanks,200+ APCs and a bunch of trucks.  The tanks works for crowd control {just like 1989}   and a bunch of reservist ground troops to manage the refugees that want to leave NK.   I would think it would be at the same manning level of the 101st Airborne without the helicopters, and have tanks instead of helos.    There would be of course a political arm there ready to install a new NK leader who just so happens to be friendly to China.   I don't think China would want all of those NK to house and feed, so they want a friendly to China NK, but at a distance.

My wife's dad was there. She always told me how he didn't graduate high school until he was in his twenties because the NVA drafted him at 17 before he finished.

She said he was just a border guard, so he never saw any fighting. Turns out he was at Lang Son, she just never asked, and it finally came up when they were discussing whether China would make a move on a Vietnam with all the South China Sea stuff.

Sounds like the NVA took it on the chin too, he thought the Vietnamese took 10k casualties at that battle, which Wiki pits the Chinese estimate of Vietnamese casualties at.

Isn't NK supposed to have shit tons of mineral deposits? Will China manage to scoop that all up?

Amass these on the border in a straight line.

Everyone knows he's chicken.

Slightly outdated.  Current PLAGF tank battalions have 35 tanks (TOE, anyway,) with 2 for HQ, and 2 in each company HQ, though they stuck with the 3 tank platoon.  Mechanized infantry also have rather more IFVs/APCs than before '08 as well, as they ditched the old Soviet-inspired platoon organization of 3 squads of 6 dismounts and the PL, PS, and medic/RTO, riding in 3 vehicles.  Now they use 4 vehicles per platoon, with 3 dismount squads of 9 modeled after the U.S. Army squad, and the platoon leadership and 3 dual purpose MG/RPG teams in their own vehicle, for 13 per company, with additional vehicles in battalion HQ and a support/weapons company.  For their leg infantry they moved from the 8 man squad of the Soviet model to a 12 man squad.

thing about the chinese is they've basically been doing the same shit for the last 5000 years

old habits die hard

Here is a pretty good pictures thread about modern PLA......Photos of Chinese Armed Forces

This is not them, today  :

by height

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Chairman Xi announced PLA restructuring as part of the 13th Five Year plan. The 13th Five Year plan reforms began in 2016.

The 7 Military Regions have been replaced by 5 Theater Commands
The PLA now essentially has 5 "services": PLA Army, PLA Navy, PLA Air Force, PLA Rocket Force, and PLA Strategic Support Force. The PLA Rocket Force is what was previously known as the Second Artillery Corps.
Xi ordered a reduction of 300K troops throughout the PLA, this is expected to have a larger impact on the PLA Army than the rest of the services. It is possible that there could be a 400K troop decrease within the PLA Army, and 100K troops are added within the other services. This would reduce the total size of the PLA (including the PLAAF, PLAN, PLARF, and PLASSF) to just under 2M.

Within each Theater Command there are usually 2 or 3 Group Armies. Each Group Army typically contains an Army Division and other Motorized Rifle, Mechanized Infantry, or Armor Brigades/Regiments. These Army Groups also typically have an Artillery brigade and a SAM/Air Defense Brigade, although the PLA Air Force handles the brunt of the Air Defense mission.

If I had to guess, the 150K troops moving near the NK border are an entire Army Group, parts of another Army Group, and support elements from the Theater Command in addition to PLAN and PLAAF units to support airlift and naval movement. It is important to note that the Northern Theater is not contiguous. Shandong likely belongs to the Northern Theater but it separate from the rest of the Northern Theater. This might require more need for PLA Navy assets to move bodies.



All this information (minus the graphic) is from The Jamestown Foundation report on the PLA Reforms and the order of battle stuff is from Wikipedia and GlobalSecurity.org

Another good source for PLA Reform info: https://www.rand.org/blog/2016/09/pla-reforms-and-their-ramifications.html