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Posted: 4/4/2017 11:03:21 AM EDT
The slow motion money shot is at 2:28.

Blackhawk! SERPA video clip from Guns&Ammo TV



ETA: super slo mo for great justice.

Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:06:20 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:08:44 AM EDT
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Editor of the video either left that in deliberately or has no idea about the subject matter.

Actually, "left that in" is probably the wrong way to put it.   He intentionally used that particular draw footage for the slow-motion example shot.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:09:47 AM EDT
[#3]
Lol wow
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:10:35 AM EDT
[#4]
Wow.

Some video editor is Sofa King fired.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:14:16 AM EDT
[#5]


Are you being critical because the angle makes it look like he 'might' have swept his support hand?



Hardly "almost shoots himself"
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:15:14 AM EDT
[#6]
Derpa
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Are you being critical because the angle makes it look like he 'might' have swept his support hand?



Hardly "almost shoots himself"
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So you're totally cool with him putting his finger on the trigger then?
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:15:18 AM EDT
[#7]
That is exactly why so many people have ended up with Glock Serpa leg over the years with Serpa holsters.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:15:41 AM EDT
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Are you being critical because the angle makes it look like he 'might' have swept his support hand?



Hardly "almost shoots himself"
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Watch his trigger finger right as the gun comes up....
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:15:52 AM EDT
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Are you being critical because the angle makes it look like he 'might' have swept his support hand?



Hardly "almost shoots himself"
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Take a look at the trigger finger curl on the draw and go inside the trigger guard x
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:17:07 AM EDT
[#10]
Wow, how did the editor miss that.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:17:16 AM EDT
[#11]
You will have 800 people tell you that cheap piece of shit holster is the most wonderful thing in the world right here...IN before them....
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:17:57 AM EDT
[#12]
Stupid ass design.

Darwin was close.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:18:54 AM EDT
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Are you being critical because the angle makes it look like he 'might' have swept his support hand?



Hardly "almost shoots himself"
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Some people will defend anything.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:19:25 AM EDT
[#14]
That was close

Couple years ago at a USPSA match my squad rotated to the next stage. They still had 1-2 shooters to go.

We heard "load and make ready. Holster- BAM!"

20 year shooter. Bullet went in his thigh and down to his knee cap.

I saw him last year waiting for the match to start and asked how his leg was- first thing out of his mouth- "I still don't know how it happened."

Funny. I knew as soon I as I heard "BAM!"
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:20:24 AM EDT
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The funnier part is a what a j-frame or ladysmith or whatever the fuck those silly things are in an OWB Serpa?  Doesn't that defeat the entire purpose of silly little revolvers?
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:21:09 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:21:18 AM EDT
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You will have 800 people tell you that cheap piece of shit holster is the most wonderful thing in the world right here...IN before them....
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Yep.  People love their cheap tacticool shit. (Even though it's not cheap at all anymore.)
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:21:30 AM EDT
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I don't get it.  How is the holster junk?

It's no different than any other holster.  It does its job.
If you have poor trigger discipline, you're gonna have problems, and it has nothing to do with the holster.

Know how to use the damn tool.  

Flame away.  I give zero F's.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:23:00 AM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out why he's bringing his left hand beyond his centerline in the first place.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:24:14 AM EDT
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I don't get it.  How is the holster junk?

It's no different than any other holster.  It does its job.
If you have poor trigger discipline, you're gonna have problems, and it has nothing to do with the holster.

Know how to use the damn tool.  

Flame away.  I give zero F's.
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Ahh, but the holsters does NOT "do it's job".
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:24:16 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:25:59 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:26:26 AM EDT
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You will have 800 people tell you that cheap piece of shit holster is the most wonderful thing in the world right here...IN before them....
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Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:26:39 AM EDT
[#24]
I cringed.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:27:00 AM EDT
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Are you being critical because the angle makes it look like he 'might' have swept his support hand?



Hardly "almost shoots himself"
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White knight the Serpa?
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:28:38 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:28:54 AM EDT
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Nothing like grabbing that trigger just as the pistol clears the holster.  

It seems strange to me people would wear a holster that requires you to use your index finger to remove the gun.  IMHO the only time your index finger should move is when you have your pistol pointed in the direction you plan to shoot.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:29:39 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:30:01 AM EDT
[#29]
I bought one years ago.  When I actually used it, I could see where this might be a problem, especially under stress.  I returned it.

Tex Grebner shot himself in the leg after drawing from a serpa.  (ETA:  Beat by HKUSP9v1 )

TGO | A Year After I Shot Myself
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:31:46 AM EDT
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I don't get it.  How is the holster junk?

It's no different than any other holster.  It does its job.
If you have poor trigger discipline, you're gonna have problems, and it has nothing to do with the holster.

Know how to use the damn tool.  
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I really hate to see ignorant stuff like this posted.

Why ?  Because someone might read your post and think you know what you're talking about.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:31:55 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:33:24 AM EDT
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The M9 with the safety on is probably the best possible pistol you could carry in a Serpa.

If you are stuck with one of those piece of shit holsters, a good DA/SA auto is the best thing to carry in it.
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As 1911sforever will attest, I draw slow and deliberate.  I feel no need to be a quick draw.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:33:51 AM EDT
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Design flaw seems pretty obvious. Anyone not seeing it probably shouldn't handle loaded guns.

I've also heard (but not seen in person) foreign debris locking the mechanism closed. That'd be bad, too.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:34:37 AM EDT
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I believe it is a law that this video be posted in any booger hook thread.

Cop Shoots himself in the leg
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:35:07 AM EDT
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I also like the nice close up footage of the guy slapping the shit out of the trigger for four consecutive rounds at around 1:10.

What an expert.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:35:15 AM EDT
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I don't get it.  How is the holster junk?

It's no different than any other holster.  It does its job.
If you have poor trigger discipline, you're gonna have problems, and it has nothing to do with the holster.

Know how to use the damn tool.  

Flame away.  I give zero F's.
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Honestly, IMHO the design isn't even the worst part of the SERPA.  They're just built like shit, with shitty plastic and lousy fasteners.  One good tug and the holster body snaps right off of the belt attachment.  They just suck, because they're cheap and shitty.

As for the retention concept, Safariland took the idea and made it 87 times better.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:35:19 AM EDT
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Are you being critical because the angle makes it look like he 'might' have swept his support hand?



Hardly "almost shoots himself"
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His trigger finger snapped on to the trigger, as is the complaint of the Serpa
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:36:39 AM EDT
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His trigger finger snapped on to the trigger, as is the complaint of the Serpa
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I think the combo of glock and serpa is bad.

With an M9, my finger always came across the frame as the gun came out.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:37:03 AM EDT
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Wow. So close.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:37:12 AM EDT
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It seems strange to me people would wear a holster that requires you to use your index finger to remove the gun.
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If you use your fingertip, yeah, that's gonna happen. If you use the ball of your finger, the index finger ends up right against the slide. But folks can't be bothered to learn to use it correctly.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:38:07 AM EDT
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The video shows that he didn't shoot himself. But almost did? Ok.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:38:08 AM EDT
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I don't get it.  How is the holster junk?

It's no different than any other holster.  It does its job.
If you have poor trigger discipline, you're gonna have problems, and it has nothing to do with the holster.

Know how to use the damn tool.  

Flame away.  I give zero F's.
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That's cool, I didn't watch the vid, either.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:38:22 AM EDT
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Honestly, IMHO the design isn't even the worst part of the SERPA.  They're just built like shit, with shitty plastic and lousy fasteners.  One good tug and the holster body snaps right off of the belt attachment.  They just suck, because they're cheap and shitty.

As for the retention concept, Safariland took the idea and made it 87 times better.
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Yes, it's just a shitty execution of an overpriced piece of plastic.  They are banned for duty use here. Those $9 Chinese copies that CDNN sells are actually a  better build, the plastic is thicker around the rivets.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:39:36 AM EDT
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We dumped ours more because guys could rip the holder off the duty belt. Finger placement is more of a training issue
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:39:43 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:40:05 AM EDT
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I don't get it.  How is the holster junk?

It's no different than any other holster.  It does its job.
If you have poor trigger discipline, you're gonna have problems, and it has nothing to do with the holster.

Know how to use the damn tool.  

Flame away.  I give zero F's.
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It uses a mechanism to release the pistol that requires you to apply pressure toward the pistol with your index finger.

If you draw quickly and under pressure, guess where that finger goes as soon as it clears the holster...
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:43:23 AM EDT
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I was focused on the muzzle since op claimed he almost shot himself

Yes, poor trigger discipline but I don't comment on youtube videos that don't show them clearing the gun either.

I own zero serpa holsters.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:49:40 AM EDT
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Someone who would shoot them selves using this holster would do it with any other.

OMG, I have to actually be disciplined and focus on what I'm doing when drawing a handgun or something bad might happen.. No shit.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:50:51 AM EDT
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My finger is indexed correctly when I draw with a Serpa.

Retards were retarding on draws long before serpa came along.

An idiot can put his finger on the trigger like the video on any kind of holster as soon as the gun leaves the holster... that isn't unique to serpa per se.

I don't own stock in Blackhawk. Just saying...
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 11:52:03 AM EDT
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This is exactly why I train with VODA!

Worst Firearms Instructor EVER - Voda Consulting
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