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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:08:23 PM EDT
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Several cool things in those pics... #1 we realize that the plain clothes police were probably toting a lot of the strange SMGs #2 we are reminded how crappy the logistical situation is, because that is a .303 BREN being used beside a .308 FAL - the Guard Forces and independent companies probably got the short end of the stick. #3 We realize in general that there was a lot going on beside the RLI and Selous Scouts who get most of the attention. I can remember that picture from this book that was very influential in my youth. I'm sure you enjoyed posting it. They were relegated to support units, convoy duty, and training. They especially loved the old RAF Browning .303 MGs. 
From everything I've read, the BSAP, Air Force, and Reserve Forces kept the Enfields in service. SMGs were about useless due to no penetration in the brush. The majority were issued to Rural Families and private purchase was restricted to semi-automatic. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:29:48 PM EDT
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The curve of the mag is the tell to me. I thought SLR30s only existed because they were made for BRENs. L4 BRENs are high on my cool list, a ingenious move of small unit logistics, everyone's mags interchangeable. Though I think L4s were converted .303s Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any chance it was converted? (Probably not now that I think about it as I want to say that they used SLR 30 Rounders for that conversion didn't they? That mag only has one rib on the side, the SLR 30's had three....) Anyways, Rhodesian BREN. 
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:07:46 PM EDT
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The .303 British never really disappeared from service. They were relegated to support units, convoy duty, and training. https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=d457221b7c785791032db7ccfc661371&attachmentid=7040&d=1253423805 https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=d457221b7c785791032db7ccfc661371&attachmentid=7041&d=1253423805 https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=d457221b7c785791032db7ccfc661371&attachmentid=7042&d=1253423805 https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=d457221b7c785791032db7ccfc661371&attachmentid=7043&d=1253423805 They especially loved the old RAF Browning .303 MGs. https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/09/rur2ns-1.jpg From everything I've read, the BSAP, Air Force, and Reserve Forces kept the Enfields in service. SMGs were about useless due to no penetration in the brush. The majority were issued to Rural Families and private purchase was restricted to semi-automatic. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:15:45 PM EDT
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I've read that the SLR30 mags didn't have the spring tension to feed a FAL since they wre designed for BRENs. Now, Canada and Australia did develop their own 30rd FAL inch pattern mags. Anyways, Rhodesian BREN. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/df/31/3edf315bd9eae335e72c029df369fb70.jpg https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/09/mags-1.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/44/34/40/44344041ee46d5161ef23e21b0089e37.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/2cz3slu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/HeIWpLu.jpg |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:17:02 PM EDT
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uparmored land rover, internet virtual cookie if you can tell me who is riding in it https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/55313/merc-SOF-179040.JPG |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:18:38 PM EDT
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IIRC, tankers had Uzis but I've seen very few pictures. 
They were staged for the attempted Coup (Operation Quartz) in 1980. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:46:49 PM EDT
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I know the RSA gave Rhodesia some Polish T-55s. http://www.rhodesia.nl/t55camo3.jpg http://www.rhodesia.nl/t55camo2.jpg http://www.rhodesia.nl/photo1.jpg They were staged for the attempted Coup (Operation Quartz) in 1980. 
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:52:51 PM EDT
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IIRC, tankers had Uzis but I've seen very few pictures.  Attached FileArmored Car Regiment too.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:05:29 PM EDT
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You're late. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know the RSA gave Rhodesia some Polish T-55s. http://www.rhodesia.nl/t55camo3.jpg http://www.rhodesia.nl/t55camo2.jpg http://www.rhodesia.nl/photo1.jpg They were staged for the attempted Coup (Operation Quartz) in 1980. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:21:50 PM EDT
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That's so page 9.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:23:22 PM EDT
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Training or target practice with the indigenous designed SMG.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:25:21 PM EDT
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I would imagine SMGs were mostly used in a PDW roll, beats hell out of a pistol, about tied with the right shotgun IMO.
I know the Israelis helped them some, I think they the Hueys they got were.f4om Israel, and it would explain the Uzis... but then why no Izzy FALs? |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:29:23 PM EDT
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Did anyone say Robert K brown yet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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uparmored land rover, internet virtual cookie if you can tell me who is riding in it https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/55313/merc-SOF-179040.JPG |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:41:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:51:05 PM EDT
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Someone a few pages backed asked why GD has a fascination with Rhodesia.
Someone else brought up the "Lost Cause" mythos like the Confederacy. For me it is more personal. Rhodesia was a nation that was fucked over by the West and given to the Communists as a sacrifice in the name of Political Correctness and Pettiness. Cuba was fucked over too. Cuban Patriots attempted to fight for their nation and at every turn they were fucked over by a bigger player. The Rhodesians held out and fought the good fight. For that I respect the hell out of them and the South Africans. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:55:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:04:25 PM EDT
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I never did much pinterest, but it showed me this bad ass pic
look like SAS 
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:19:55 PM EDT
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Dave Westerhout winner of the Rhodesian and World Championship Combat Pistol Shooting which was held in Rhodesia in 1977
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:19:56 PM EDT
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BSAP
Amazing that 60% of them were Black. But Rhodesia was racist. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 11:05:40 PM EDT
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OK I'm reading Farmer at war, and part of it reminded me of this... talk about cool improvised weapons
Read about it here |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 1:49:41 AM EDT
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Great pics, keep them coming
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Posted: 4/4/2017 7:53:11 AM EDT
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Scoped FAL. Not much info out there on sniper programs. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod5-180366.JPG |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 8:26:44 AM EDT
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Wow, I didn't click this thread at first, thinking it was a typical pic thread. Came back and see a bunch of politics. So how many SJW/commie sympathizers showed up? I didn't read the whole thread, but saw some of the typical arguments - cherry picking information, moving goalposts, maybe even a strawman.
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Posted: 4/4/2017 9:07:47 AM EDT
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Thats because they really didn't have much in the way organized sniper programs. There were a few individuals with previous sniper training that did do a bit of sniping, mainly on the "Russian" front. The no4t was the preferred weapon, though there are definitely some photos of scoped FAL's out there. Seems like a no brainer since many of the men would have had experience hunting big game. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 11:24:37 AM EDT
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OK I'm reading Farmer at war, and part of it reminded me of this... talk about cool improvised weapons https://mycopysite.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/e0ce1-anti_14.gif Read about it here  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 11:33:01 AM EDT
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I've often wondered why not, even discussed it in a previous Rhodesia thread. Seems like a no brainer since many of the men would have had experience hunting big game. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thats because they really didn't have much in the way organized sniper programs. There were a few individuals with previous sniper training that did do a bit of sniping, mainly on the "Russian" front. The no4t was the preferred weapon, though there are definitely some photos of scoped FAL's out there. Seems like a no brainer since many of the men would have had experience hunting big game. Optics were used some, though. On to more photos: FAL with Scope and rifle grenade.  Attached FileAnother optic mounted on a FAL.  Attached FileWhen did the Trilux come into service with the UK? Did the Rhodesians get any before independence? Smuggled by a Brit volunteer maybe?  Attached FileInteresting in that it appears several different types of scopes are seen in the photos, but no apparent standardized model was in use. Privately purchased or unit purchase perhaps? |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 11:37:59 AM EDT
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Another Uzi photo: Does knowledge run up leash or down leash?
 Attached FileThe American that did security work and a side shot of his modified AR. Cut down barrel with sound dissapator and carbine stock? Wonder how much .223/5.56 he took over with him?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 11:50:28 AM EDT
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The .303 British never really disappeared from service. They were relegated to support units, convoy duty, and training. https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=d457221b7c785791032db7ccfc661371&attachmentid=7040&d=1253423805 https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=d457221b7c785791032db7ccfc661371&attachmentid=7041&d=1253423805 https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=d457221b7c785791032db7ccfc661371&attachmentid=7042&d=1253423805 https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=d457221b7c785791032db7ccfc661371&attachmentid=7043&d=1253423805 They especially loved the old RAF Browning .303 MGs. https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/09/rur2ns-1.jpg From everything I've read, the BSAP, Air Force, and Reserve Forces kept the Enfields in service. SMGs were about useless due to no penetration in the brush. The majority were issued to Rural Families and private purchase was restricted to semi-automatic. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 11:56:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/4/2017 12:01:17 PM EDT
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I've read that they had tried a program to train snipers, but the instructor would not pass anyone because they did not shoot as well as him. A historical reference would be nice. Optics were used some, though. On to more photos: FAL with Scope and rifle grenade. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod14-180651.JPG Another optic mounted on a FAL. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod17-180656.JPG When did the Trilux come into service with the UK? Did the Rhodesians get any before independence? Smuggled by a Brit volunteer maybe? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod19-180658.JPG Interesting in that it appears several different types of scopes are seen in the photos, but no apparent standardized model was in use. Privately purchased or unit purchase perhaps?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 12:20:04 PM EDT
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Another slung Uzi with Captured SVD
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Posted: 4/4/2017 12:30:30 PM EDT
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Aircrew carrying holstered pistol. Star maybe?
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Posted: 4/4/2017 2:30:28 PM EDT
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That's kind of jacked up. You would think in a conflict like this one that allowing your citizens to arm themselves with the best options available would be prudent. Looks like no matter what the situation some politicians just don't trust their citizens. I do remember reading years ago, that reloading equipment needed to be permitted because they were afraid of the terrs getting it. Be happy you live in a time when you can order cases of ammo, top notch guns and force multiplying devices like NODs over the internet. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 2:31:29 PM EDT
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Scoped FAL, unknown if civilian weapon or military weapon. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod23-180709.JPG |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 5:07:22 PM EDT
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Appears to be AF judging by the blue hats. Appears to be a shotgun (has a top folding stock like seen on 870's and the S&W clone) being held by the shirtless guy with the bandolier around his waist.
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Posted: 4/4/2017 5:14:49 PM EDT
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Appears to be AF judging by the blue hats. Appears to be a shotgun (has a top folding stock like seen on 870's and the S&W clone) being held by the shirtless guy with the bandolier around his waist. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod26-180925.JPG |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 5:15:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI remember that poster.
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Posted: 4/4/2017 5:54:21 PM EDT
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Another slung Uzi with Captured SVD https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod22-180700.JPG Another modified BREN in service. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod20-180701.JPG A Sterling making an appearance. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod21-180702.JPG |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 6:03:25 PM EDT
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I've often wondered why not, even discussed it in a previous Rhodesia thread. Seems like a no brainer since many of the men would have had experience hunting big game. 1. The operational environment didn't really work for it, most sniper ops in those days were fairly static affairs or possibly supporting attacks. Most of the army was tied up doing convoy protection duty or responding to attacks. Another big reason was that actually identifying Terrs was pretty difficult during the day since they blended very well (this was also why pseudo-ops worked so well) and there was pretty much 0 access to NVD's back then for the Rhodesians. Furthermore the natives knew the local terrain very well, so compromise for a small team would be a major problem. So, mainly it was track the Terrs after they attacked, catch them and assault them at short/medium range with conventional troops. 2. Access to actuall skills and equipment. They had very limited access to proper sniper weapons back in those days, yeah you see various "Scoped" rifles show up, but let me assure you that sticking a trilux or some other scope on a FAL doesn't make it a sniper rifle in any way shape or form, at best with "Ball" ammo its 3-4 moa weapon. 3. Skills, while there were plenty of big game hunters there was a distinct paucity of actual properly trained military snipers, and sniping is way more about field-craft than shooting anyway. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 6:08:29 PM EDT
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I've read that they had tried a program to train snipers, but the instructor would not pass anyone because they did not shoot as well as him. A historical reference would be nice. Optics were used some, though. On to more photos: FAL with Scope and rifle grenade. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod14-180651.JPG Another optic mounted on a FAL. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod17-180656.JPG When did the Trilux come into service with the UK? Did the Rhodesians get any before independence? Smuggled by a Brit volunteer maybe? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod19-180658.JPG Interesting in that it appears several different types of scopes are seen in the photos, but no apparent standardized model was in use. Privately purchased or unit purchase perhaps? Trilux was around in the 60's in the UK, but fairly rare even then. Probably came to Rhodesia as a "personal" acquisition. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 7:47:46 PM EDT
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That is in fact a Romanian PSL, not an SVD... For whatever reason there were a ton in Rhodesia. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 8:08:26 PM EDT
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Ceausescu sponsored ZANU. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is in fact a Romanian PSL, not an SVD... For whatever reason there were a ton in Rhodesia. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 8:20:29 PM EDT
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Ceausescu went his own way frequently. Remember that he refused to take part in Operation Danube?
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Posted: 4/4/2017 8:23:37 PM EDT
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Ceausescu went his own way frequently. Remember that he refused to take part in Operation Danube? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Mugabe76Romania.jpg/440px-Mugabe76Romania.jpg |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 10:35:10 PM EDT
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From the Wikipedia article about Muzorewa: The parliamentary elections took place at the end of February 1980, after a campaign filled with much intimidation by Mugabe's ZANU. The British government briefly considered disqualifying ZANU from participating in the elections for flagrant violation of the Lancaster House Agreement, but in the end did nothing.
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Posted: 4/4/2017 10:44:09 PM EDT
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 OK, I'll join in with a fun pic...
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Posted: 4/4/2017 10:56:25 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73254/139818005196-181169.jpgOK, I'll join in with a fun pic... |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 10:57:52 PM EDT
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I this post we will look at Rhodesian bad guys
Brief history lesson first First up Joshua Nkomo, leader of Russian backed ZAPU. Matabele Tribe. Self exiled after the revolution because he was (rightly) terrified of Mugabe. 
Wartime Robert Mugabe. Leader of Chicom backed ZANU. Shona Tribe. current president of Zimbabwe. 
Andrew Young, US ambassador to the UN- led the effort in the UN to fuck over Rhodesia 
Harold Wilson, Prime Minister of England- hung Rhodesia out to dry 
On to other stuff Terrorist 
Arms Cache 
More Terrorist 
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Good terrorists 
Rhodesian Woman with her lips cut off 
Rhodesian woman and child murdered by terrorists at a mission 
Rhodesian Airliner shot down, survivors were masacred 
Rhodesian civilians, killed by terrorists, such black unity 
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Posted: 4/4/2017 10:59:27 PM EDT
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From the Wikipedia article about Muzorewa: The parliamentary elections took place at the end of February 1980, after a campaign filled with much intimidation by Mugabe's ZANU. The British government briefly considered disqualifying ZANU from participating in the elections for flagrant violation of the Lancaster House Agreement, but in the end did nothing. 
Carington hated Smith, wanted to punish Rhodesians and didn't particularly care about the long term outcome. He essentially felt like Mugabe would win a prolonged war anyway so might as well help him out,the quicker he took power the better. Thatcher knew he was a Marxist and the road he was going down,sent the SAS to help Mugabe mop up opposition anyway. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 10:59:49 PM EDT
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Another Uzi photo: Does knowledge run up leash or down leash? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod15-180659.JPG The American that did security work and a side shot of his modified AR. Cut down barrel with sound dissapator and carbine stock? Wonder how much .223/5.56 he took over with him? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod16-180660.JPG |
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