[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Career level: Entry (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/9/2017 12:20:32 PM EDT
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Experienced required: 3-6 years.
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Because "LOL, what the fuck you gonna do about it?" That's the state of the job market for the past ten years. I mean I have a job, but I really want to change fields. I guess I can just accidentally hit the I have required experience button to get an interview because "LOL, what are you gonna do about it?" Edit: Just saw another by the same company that is entry level and wants 5-9 years of experience and an MBA. |
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Because "LOL, what the fuck you gonna do about it?" That's the state of the job market for the past ten years. Longer than that. Training people costs money and businesses hate to spend money. Very few having anything that could be called a training program, |
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Either they already have someone who is getting the job, but need to put it up for selection. Or.... They don't want to worry about paying to train someone quite as much, but will still pay you shit wages and expect more outcome from you. That is my take on it as well. The former is VERY common for government jobs. 
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"But those with experience, expect to get paid what a new graduate would make" Yeah, that and... Entry level Position with experience required -> " We want an experienced worker, but the job is actually not really important to us. Somebody's gotta do it, other tasks may include unclogging the executive toilet and mowing the lawn" |
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That is my take on it as well. The former is VERY common for government jobs. I would say 85-90% of government jobs are already filled, but 'require' them to be posted. So when the supervisor comes back and asks they can say "oh yeah, we posted the position, but only this one person was qualified for it" That one person is 99% of the time a friend of someone or another. |
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I would say 85-90% of government jobs are already filled, but 'require' them to be posted. So when the supervisor comes back and asks they can say "oh yeah, we posted the position, but only this one person was qualified for it" That one person is 99% of the time a friend of someone or another. I got a state job that way. They even wrote my application for me so it would pass the HR sorting metrics. Sadly that's how it works... |
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When they require 6-10 years experience for an entry level job you have to get started early: http://i.imgur.com/A35ZmQa.jpg What's that image of? Fukushima clean up crew? |
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Welp. There's no qualified American workers. Better get some H1B's from India for a 3rd of the pay. This has also effected manufacture jobs… My mom made more money with better benefits and she started in the 80’s (she left in the 90’s). Then when I worked for them last year, doing the same job. It was full of immigrants on a work visa. Hard to compete when they are willing to work for half the pay… Plenty of local qualified workers, I don’t believe the government enforces that requirement. |
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They don't need to provide additional justification for not hiring you (or anyone).
You didn't meet the job requirements, because nobody meets the job requirements. Also, most of the time, the job doesn't even exist yet. They're bidding on a contract, and they've posted the job contingent upon getting it. They don't necessarily disclose that; they set the requirements higher than anyone who will apply. They get a whole bunch of applicants. They pick a few to interview if they get the contract. Pwin on the contract might only be 20-40%. If they do win, then they have their pick of the litter. If they don't win, they don't interview or hire anybody. With a semi-automated system, it costs them very little to do this, so they can bid on more contracts. Even with a lower Pwin overall, by bumping up the number of bids, they increase the overall number of contracts they get. Then you get into the financial side, where you're actually borrowing money to make payroll, and you're borrowing against future growth potential, the company is "worth" millions, but actually has a huge negative asset balance. Oh, it's fun. And everyone plays the game. You're only seeing one stupid tiny part of it. |
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Because they have someone in mind already BUT...
Legally they have to interview people and if you come and wow their socks off AND are willing to accept an entry level salary for a position that you have years of experience in then they MAY be willing to give you a shot and screw over the employee that has been working their asses off to get it. At least that's exactly the way it worked at my prior employer anyway. I interviewed a lot of people there and this was how it went down a few times when most wanted to promote from within. |
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I've seen "entry level" jobs requiring a bachelors and 5-10 year experience, or a master's and "exceptional qualifications" in lieu of those years of experience.
Basically code for "we're not going to offer to pay very well", and probably just a way to grease the H1B skids |
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this look we tried to hire no one applied we had to go overseas.. we had to <strong>Quoted:</strong>
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often its a sign of a H1B fraud this look we tried to hire no one applied we had to go overseas.. we had to With the added bonus that since they put 'entry level' on it, the Prevailing Wage used for the H1B will be the very lowest of what a real entry-level person would get |
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That is my take on it as well. The former is VERY common for government jobs. Uncle sugar jobs they already know the person they want before they post the job. They only post the job to make it legal. They only interview if the canidate did not score high enough on the KSA questios. Interviews are. 100% subjective |
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Welp. There's no qualified American workers. Better get some H1B's from India for a 3rd of the pay. This is exactly the scam. There was a video posted here not long ago with an HR management conference talk about how to gave your ad posting to prove you need H1B help. |
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Oh no.
I have a better one for you. Loads of companies are posting job openings for jobs that don't even exist. Here's JUST ONE of many examples. Air Force Academy has a job opening open. My wife spend 8 hours applying for the job, writing the essay, etc. The very day after the application period ended, they reposted the same job again. Never even contacted my wife (who meets/exceeds all requirements). And they may be under a federal hiring freeze anyway. |
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Oh no. I have a better one for you. Loads of companies are posting job openings for jobs that don't even exist. Here's JUST ONE of many examples. Air Force Academy has a job opening open. My wife spend 8 hours applying for the job, writing the essay, etc. The very day after the application period ended, they reposted the same job again. Never even contacted my wife (who meets/exceeds all requirements). And they may be under a federal hiring freeze anyway. |
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This is exactly the scam. There was a video posted here not long ago with an HR management conference talk about how to gave your ad posting to prove you need H1B help. Quoted:
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Welp. There's no qualified American workers. Better get some H1B's from India for a 3rd of the pay. This is exactly the scam. There was a video posted here not long ago with an HR management conference talk about how to gave your ad posting to prove you need H1B help. But GD told me there are no qualified Americans to fill those jobs and we need H1B's! 
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This is exactly the scam. There was a video posted here not long ago with an HR management conference talk about how to gave your ad posting to prove you need H1B help. Quoted:
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Welp. There's no qualified American workers. Better get some H1B's from India for a 3rd of the pay. This is exactly the scam. There was a video posted here not long ago with an HR management conference talk about how to gave your ad posting to prove you need H1B help. This is an h1b to green card guide
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They don't need to provide additional justification for not hiring you (or anyone). You didn't meet the job requirements, because nobody meets the job requirements. Also, most of the time, the job doesn't even exist yet. They're bidding on a contract, and they've posted the job contingent upon getting it. They don't necessarily disclose that; they set the requirements higher than anyone who will apply. They get a whole bunch of applicants. They pick a few to interview if they get the contract. Pwin on the contract might only be 20-40%. If they do win, then they have their pick of the litter. If they don't win, they don't interview or hire anybody. With a semi-automated system, it costs them very little to do this, so they can bid on more contracts. Even with a lower Pwin overall, by bumping up the number of bids, they increase the overall number of contracts they get. Then you get into the financial side, where you're actually borrowing money to make payroll, and you're borrowing against future growth potential, the company is "worth" millions, but actually has a huge negative asset balance. Oh, it's fun. And everyone plays the game. You're only seeing one stupid tiny part of it. Agreed, might be H1B fraud or it might just be a company with morons in HR. I think most businesses (not all) are run by idiots lurching from one payroll disaster to another or trying to get one quarters profits in the black, even if they have to fire half the employees and have most of their clients drop them - but hey we made a PROFIT that quarter! One thing that is never brought up when discussing the economy is how many businesses just keep on shooting themselves in the foot, time after time, and it seems to keep getting worse. Had some work done to my house recently and the contractor, who is well known locally and also has worked on several developments in the area, sent a guy over to my house on a Saturday morning to get the check for the work they did instead of having me mail it. When I looked at my bank statement they had cashed it at MY bank the same day. The following week when their crew came over to pick up some debris the garbage men would not pick up I mentioned it and they said they always do that or they cant buy materials or put fuel in their trucks on Monday. I understand shit happens but when that is a typical thing they might want to revisit their business model. |
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I see it all the time in the construction industry. Entry level Project Engineer: 6-10 years experience on commercial projects from $2-100+ million required. LEED AP+, PMP, OSHA 500 certs required $30-50k starting  must be a typo... would be more like 130K for a seasoned project engineer. |
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Probably so. I mean I have a job, but I really want to change fields. I guess I can just accidentally hit the I have required experience button to get an interview because "LOL, what are you gonna do about it?" Edit: Just saw another by the same company that is entry level and wants 5-9 years of experience and an MBA. That's actually not such a bad idea. Reap what they sow & all that. |