Posted: 1/20/2017 10:41:55 AM EDT
 Failed To Load Title https://youtu.be/ML-TicFwke0 I think I forgot to mention that they'll jam up your shotgun. They also said rude things about your mom. And shotguns are a stupid choice for defense, anyway. |
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the goofy dead/phunisher/pool shirt invalidated your opinion. cut shells work great in cylinder bore 12ga. they have been working just fine for decades. Define "work great" and "working fine". What does that mean and maybe what would "not working great" be? How do we measure the difference? |
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-TicFwke0
https://youtu.be/ML-TicFwke0 I think I forgot to mention that they'll jam up your shotgun. They also said rude things about your mom. Your audio and video are not sync'd together. |
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Define "work great" and "working fine". What does that mean and maybe what would "not working great" be? How do we measure the difference? Quoted:
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the goofy dead/phunisher/pool shirt invalidated your opinion. cut shells work great in cylinder bore 12ga. they have been working just fine for decades. Define "work great" and "working fine". What does that mean and maybe what would "not working great" be? How do we measure the difference? Good ole 'redneck slugs' will make cheap #7 or #8 or whatever birdshot you have laying around into an effective hunting round for anything you need to shoot in the southeast U.S. . Cut shells won't cycle in most semi autos and can be temperamental in 870s but are more reliable in my 500 from my experience. Are they as good as rifled slugs or flight controlled buck shot? No. No question. No even employing that. Will they work to take a deer? Yep. They work great and have been doing just fine for decades. |
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Good ole 'redneck slugs' will make cheap #7 or #8 or whatever birdshot you have laying around into an effective hunting round for anything you need to shoot in the southeast U.S. . Cut shells won't cycle in most semi autos and can be temperamental in 870s but are more reliable in my 500 from my experience. Are they as good as rifled slugs or flight controlled buck shot? No. No question. No even employing that. Will they work to take a deer? Yep. They work great and have been doing just fine for decades. So, your standard for "just fine" is "barely adequate, maybe." Just use a slug, cheapskate. |
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I just don't get why people don't just use buckshot or slugs. It's not like you can't find it. Why the hell would anyone ever use birdshot for self defense? They came out of the depression as a way to hunt deer/big game with what one had on hand. I don't think anyone intended them to be a permanent replacement for slugs, but it's a good tool to have should the need ever arise. |
| They have a bunch of birdshot lying around because they hunt with it or play clay games and they have convinced themselves that it is sufficient for defense. Anything that challenges that notion is scary because it means they really aren't armed. They don't buy buckshot or slugs because they've convinced themselves that birdshot is sufficient. Besides, it leaves more money to spend on Natural Ice. |
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Good ole 'redneck slugs' will make cheap #7 or #8 or whatever birdshot you have laying around into an effective hunting round for anything you need to shoot in the southeast U.S. . Cut shells won't cycle in most semi autos and can be temperamental in 870s but are more reliable in my 500 from my experience. Are they as good as rifled slugs or flight controlled buck shot? No. No question. No even employing that. Will they work to take a deer? Yep. They work great and have been doing just fine for decades. I've said over and over again that success in hunting is in no way indicative of success in defense. Hunting results are interesting insofar as observing the behavior of the projectile, retained weight, penetration, etc. in the same way that gel tests are useful. Although shots on animals obviously introduce variables that can be controlled in gel shots. But hunting results don't invalidate defense requirements. Deer don't shoot back or swing a bat at a loved one and they don't have meaty arms to get between you and their vitals. They can present some generally similar challenges and I doubt that anyone has ever taken a deer quartering away from them with birdshot. Maybe one of those tiny little Texan deer. |
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the goofy dead/phunisher/pool shirt invalidated your opinion. cut shells work great in cylinder bore 12ga. they have been working just fine for decades. As much as I like my shotguns, you probably missed that the shotgun in the test is most likely a cylinder bore barrel. It wasn't mentioned, but that's what the Mossberg defense barrels usually are. Cut shells are a poor attempt at making the shotgun do a different job than it's set up for. |
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I have three 12 gauge 8 shot riot guns stashed strategically throughout my house along with several pistols.
I have shot tens of thousands of rounds through pump shotguns in my life. I do not mess with modifying shotgun ammo. If you think they are a stupid choice of defense you are very mistaken. Even empty they make a fairly good club. My first round is number two lead nitro mag. Cannot shoot them at geese anymore but this is for extremely close in . Two through 6 is number one Buck. Number Seven is a rifled slug. I figure like this . If they are in my house they are close and my first shot will be 7 yards or less. I know I don't want one and three eights ounces of number two shot in me but right behind that they get the buck shot. Under each shotgun is a little bag with a carry handle that holds at least 30 rounds of various buck shot if the party happens to go longer. I am a natural with a shotgun. I hunt without knowing that I reload or turn the safety off and on, it just happens like instinct. It would be very bad if someone were to fuck with me with a shotgun in my hands |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-TicFwke0
https://youtu.be/ML-TicFwke0 I think I forgot to mention that they'll jam up your shotgun. They also said rude things about your mom. And shotguns are a stupid choice for defense, anyway. Saying dumb or inflammatory things to get people to react is a douche move straight out of the James Yeager playbook... Credibility. You just lost any you might have had. |
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They have a bunch of birdshot lying around because they hunt with it or play clay games and they have convinced themselves that it is sufficient for defense. Anything that challenges that notion is scary because it means they really aren't armed. They don't buy buckshot or slugs because they've convinced themselves that birdshot is sufficient. Besides, it leaves more money to spend on Natural Ice. I thought this was a weak argument until you said, "Natural Ice." Then I was like, okay, I'm on board with this cut shell thing. Only I'm not buying Natural Ice. Maybe a mixed six-pack of craft beers from Bevmo. And not cut shells. And not a shotgun. Maybe a nice carbine or a pistol for convenience. Okay, so maybe I just like beer. |
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I have three 12 gauge 8 shot riot guns stashed strategically throughout my house along with several pistols. I have shot tens of thousands of rounds through pump shotguns in my life. I do not mess with modifying shotgun ammo. If you think they are a stupid choice of defense you are very mistaken. Even empty they make a fairly good club. My first round is number two lead nitro mag. Cannot shoot them at geese anymore but this is for extremely close in . Two through 6 is number one Buck. Number Seven is a rifled slug. I figure like this . If they are in my house they are close and my first shot will be 7 yards or less. I know I don't want one and three eights ounces of number two shot in me but right behind that they get the buck shot. Under each shotgun is a little bag with a carry handle that holds at least 30 rounds of various buck shot if the party happens to go longer. I am a natural with a shotgun. I hunt without knowing that I reload or turn the safety off and on, it just happens like instinct. It would be very bad if someone were to fuck with me with a shotgun in my hands A shotgun IS a poor choice for defense. In comparison to a carbine. But the best choice for you is the weapon that you are most proficient with. It would take you quite a while to become as proficient with a rifle as it sounds like you are with a shotgun. If you had the time and money to invest in training and competition or were inclined to gain the training through tax dollars, the carbine would be a better choice. That is, you should gain the proficiency level with a carbine that you already have with a shotgun. That may not be practical but it doesn't change the fact that the shotgun is objectively inferior to the carbine. If you believe that goose load to be effective, why isn't the whole tube loaded with it? If you believe that the #1 buck is better, why isn't the whole tube loaded with it? Do you expect that a gunfight is like some kind of turn based RPG? It may take you the rest of your life to fire that second round, why wouldn't you want the first to be as effective as possible? It's far more likely that someone steals all those guns while you are away or you come home to find an armed intruder than that you are able to use one against an intruder bent on entering an occupied home. Keep your guns locked up when you aren't in control of them. |
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Saying dumb or inflammatory things to get people to react is a douche move straight out of the James Yeager playbook... Credibility. You just lost any you might have had. I see you've been on this site for some time but this must be your first foray into GD. You're in for a real treat. Have fun. 
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Saying dumb or inflammatory things to get people to react is a douche move straight out of the James Yeager playbook... Credibility. You just lost any you might have had. But your reply is dumb and inflammatory too. And Yeager doesn't even publish a playbook, I looked. |
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The ONLY use for cut rounds I have ever heard of (or used them for) is for (training) ballistic breaching door knobs and hinges on wooden doors and jambs -- safer than double-ought buck and slugs (ricochet, splash, and spall). I don't really know much about this, but how would a cut shell be better than a not-cut shell for breaking locks and hinges? Do you mean from several feet away as opposed to contact? |