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I used to have to be a mod on a game server. Talk about a thank-less job. No matter what you do someone has the urge to complain. My philosophy was "don't like my rules, go play somewhere else" Thats the way I feel here. I am just a guest. The one who never leaves after the party is over, but still a guest.
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"How Do You Feel About The Mods And Staff At AR15.Com Over The Past 2 Years?"
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Well I just spent 20 minutes writing a response that described what it is like to be a Mod here and lost the damn thing because I got timed out.
So I'll sum it up. AR15.com is the biggest firearms sight online. I've never read a question posted here that didn't get answered. We are growing at a rate that most Fortune 500 CEO's would kill to have. You know what one of the biggest reasons is? Our Mods. This place would have been nothing but a memory by now if we didn't have the dedicated group of individuals that log in here day after day and give of their time. It's not a thankless job because sometimes you get an IM or an e-mail thanking you..or posts in a thread like this supporting you. It makes a difference. Being a Mod here turns into a job in a real hurry though and our's do it day in, day out because they want to. They do a hell of a job and the fact we are the benchmark that other sites are measured against is testament to the hard work they do. Sorry to ramble but this topic grew old 4 years ago and it gets tiring after awhile explaining your actions over and over to people who have never been in your shoes!! |
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here is what an intellectual has to say about some of the chat mods [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=190679[/url]
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With the exception of two they have been fair, prompt and excel at a thankless job.
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Thanks to OPERATION ARFKOM FREEDOM and THE COALITION, the evil that had infiltrated the board through several mods was purged. Vigilance must continue as evil can return at any time.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Now listen Rookie...go sit on the bench for a while and spend some time watching some pros at work. Maybe you'll LEARN a bit about your fellow man...like NO WHINING! View Quote You[red]'[/red]r[red]e[/red] pathetic!! Do you even READ before you post? View Quote Do you proofread before you post? Look, no one here is on a powertrip. EdSr would kick their ass to the curb if they were. Most people come here to have a good time and share an interest, as well as drop in on the GD forum and talk a little smack and discuss air conditioning, tipping, turbocharger vs supercharger and topics like that. Occasionally we get some nazi punk crawling out of the woodwork, or some dummy posts someone's personal information, but there's a code of conduct here that says they can't, and everyone knows it. This isn't hardcoretalk.com where anything goes. People here want to be able to let their kids and wives on here without worrying about what they'll be exposed to. Why would you come to someone else's website, where the [b][i]vast[/i][/b] majority of the membership likes it the way it is, and cry about some perceived megalomania on the part of the people who run the place? As has already been said, if you don't like the way this place is run, feel free to start your own forum or find another you do like. View Quote Gee...what else is there to say? [;D] |
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How is it to be a moderator?
Well, you are watching topics, and blending in most of the time. I like to cut up and have fun on the board. I have been known to make attempts at hijacking serious threads to turn them into funny threads by the second or third page. You have to abide by the CC just like everybody. You are expected to be something of a role model. That's what they tell me anyway... What will you do when you come upon a thread that is borderline? Ignore, IM and ask for an edit, edit it yourself, or lock? Or maybe try to salvage the thread by steering it back on course? Do this knowing you can get flamed by somebody for doing one of those, all of those, or none of those, at any time. It's nearly completely random, and it depends on which of the 50,000 members you are interacting with. Then when you make your decision, prepare to be flamed for doing it, and not choosing an alternative. Sometimes it sucks. Sometimes it is good. Depends on the day and the phase of the moon. |
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Quoted: How is it to be a moderator? Well, you are watching topics, and blending in most of the time. I like to cut up and have fun on the board. I have been known to make attempts at hijacking serious threads to turn them into funny threads by the second or third page. You have to abide by the CC just like everybody. You are expected to be something of a role model. That's what they tell me anyway... What will you do when you come upon a thread that is borderline? Ignore, IM and ask for an edit, edit it yourself, or lock? Or maybe try to salvage the thread by steering it back on course? Do this knowing you can get flamed by somebody for doing one of those, all of those, or none of those, at any time. It's nearly completely random, and it depends on which of the 50,000 members you are interacting with. Then when you make your decision, prepare to be flamed for doing it, and not choosing an alternative. Sometimes it sucks. Sometimes it is good. Depends on the day and the phase of the moon. View Quote What DF said. Especially as a GD forum Mod, it's a PIA job. |
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I wouldn't want to do it so I sure as hell won't complain about those willing to put up with the task.
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I think it was WILSON that locked my only locked thread. OOOOhhhh, boy howdy, did I ever beg for that one..... I fucked up [b]big time[/b].
Learn from my mistake, and post a retraction. Eat Crow.... The older you get, the better it tastes... And, finally, act like a man, Mr. Cranium. Edited to say "One of my friends, a BIA, owes his family's home to this site, which he has never visited. Except for checking it out while at my house." Thanks, again. |
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[b]How Do You Feel About The Mods And Staff At AR15.Com Over The Past 2 Years?[/b]
How do I feel about other men? This isn't a "gay" thread, is it ? |
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Ain't been here in 'bout that long, (2yrs). Used to get pretty wild and heated "back in the day". Looks kinda, ah, sophicated now.
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[b]1776[/b]
I understand your concerns and thank you for making them public,although I could not disagree more with them than I already do! [b]This board[/b]is a means of communications for friends-many of whom do not even know each other yet-until they get together in a shoot,restaurant,at home. [b]This board[/b] is not about having more members than any other,but about [b]having quality members......... like we do [/b]. [size=4][red]The basic operating principle is:RESPECT EACH OTHER![/red][/size=4] If you don't understand what I mean, maybe you are not paying attention to the threads where members give memberships to others they don't know. Threads where people travel hundreds of miles to help one of our own install or fix something, when the person needing help is way over his head. Open the threads where members donate to others who are less fortunate, until they can get back on their feet. Where they pool their resourses to get someone they do not know a rifle,ammo,food. Where they offer their professional advice, on just about anything........for free! If to keep the spirit of friendship alive and draw more good people,we need to keep a few troublemakers out,we will do it. And those entrusted with the task of keeping some threads from degenerating into unwinnable pissing matches, are the people who provide their leadership and time as moderators and staff! [b]Like many of our members,the mods and staff lead with generosity,kindness and desire to help others.[/b] Without them keeping the forums friendly,we would not look forward to getting together with 50,100 or 1,000 other members like we often do. If you ever go to one of our shoots and meet some of your fellow members,you will understand what I mean. Until then,you will have to trust us on that! [;)] Take care and count on me for whatever you might need! Have a great[size=6][red] 4th[/red][white] of[/white] [blue]July![/blue][/size=6] [USA] |
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For whatever faults they may have, I think the moderators on this 'site are fairly tolerant. I was kicked off of Sigforum because of [url=http://sigforum.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=674608412&f=430601935&m=37860951&p=1]this[/url].
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well i am still waiting for suggestions?
When i used to post my rants i always backed them up, right or wrong. mike |
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I wasn't real happy when cop-bashing was outlawed and I think some of the language demands are a bit much but overall I don't have too much to complain about.
However for those who say if you don't like it go elsewhere I have thos to answer. Some of us have paid money to be here, not much I have to confess but still have paid for a service. To change the rules after payment has been accepted is wrong. I.E. Rent an apartment and after a few months the landlord comes by and tells you there is now a curfew, no loud music at any time etc. Though it wouldn't stand up in any court a deal is a deal at the time it is made, unilaterally changing the agreement afterwards is not a nice thing to do even if there is no written agreement. And of course there is cliquishness and a few way off the deep end in both directions. But what do you expect from a online bulletin board? I am sure the majority of the more belligerent folk here and far easier to get along with IRL. |
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"However for those who say if you don't like it go elsewhere I have thos to answer.
Some of us have paid money to be here, not much I have to confess but still have paid for a service. To change the rules after payment has been accepted is wrong. " Now this is a good point. I don't think it has been a big issue with many people but is a valid issue. The CC was consolidated and redone to make it clearer. With the exception of some rewording i don;t think it changed a great deal. The old CC was vague on some issues which made certain things difficult to enforce as interpretation could be different depending on who read it. mike |
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I've been a mod for about a year now... I might have edited one thread because it included personal information, about somebody that wasn't even a board member, and urged people to contact that person at home and harass them about something over which they had no control... Other than that, I think I asked somebody to change their avatar to comply with the code of conduct.
Now I know why everyone calls me a fascist. |
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Quoted: frankly, i suck. i've locked 2, maybe 3 threads and even had the unmitigated gall to ask guys to edit their own posts. View Quote Nice cover story from the Staff. Like any good Mafia Boss, you hire a group of Moderator Cappos to do your dirty work. [flame] |
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Quoted: ok let me ask again. Give some specifics. I am more than willing to discuss this and maybe we can actually make things better. Give me some threads you objected to or [red]banned members you think were wronged?[/red] mike View Quote Imbroglio |
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While I don't agree with the original posters rant...
One thing I think that would be nice to consider would be addressing the actual offender(s) who are breaking the rules, not shutting down whole threads because 1 or 2 start cussing each other out. (provided they're not the only two posting in that thread) I agree with the rules as they are, but I'm sure there are some out there who feel like a locked thread over 1 or 2 people is like gungrabbers banning guns cause a few people misuse them. Perhaps, rather than just a locked thread... and they're free to go on their merry way and do the same thing in another thread... Perhaps instead there should be repercussions for the individuals, so they'll actually get the point. JMHO |
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Quoted: One thing I think that would be nice to consider would be addressing the actual offender(s) who are breaking the rules, not shutting down whole threads because 1 or 2 start cussing each other out. (provided they're not the only two posting in that thread) View Quote Darn notso[b]steenky[/b] [:)],this is exactly what I ask the mods to do,although often in the heat of battle they forget and lock the thread. I agree there is no reason for locking a whole thread for the unacceptable comments of one or two. I will remind them again to not lock them.I wholeheartedly agree with you [:)] |
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Quoted: Some of us have paid money to be here, not much I have to confess but still have paid for a service. To change the rules after payment has been accepted is wrong. I.E. Rent an apartment and after a few months the landlord comes by and tells you there is now a curfew, no loud music at any time etc. Though it wouldn't stand up in any court a deal is a deal at the time it is made, unilaterally changing the agreement afterwards is not a nice thing to do even if there is no written agreement. View Quote Gary, I this needs to be addressed every now and then.And I do so here with all due respect to all of our Team Members.No offense intended at all! The memberships are NOT a quid pro quo (payment in exchange for) service. While perhaps a technicality,your contributions to help pay for running the site is VOLUNTARY. The site throws in perks for those who contribute,but it was never intended to be a payment for services rendered or to be rendered. |
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Quoted: While I don't agree with the original posters rant... One thing I think that would be nice to consider would be addressing the actual offender(s) who are breaking the rules, not shutting down whole threads because 1 or 2 start cussing each other out. (provided they're not the only two posting in that thread) I agree with the rules as they are, but I'm sure there are some out there who feel like a locked thread over 1 or 2 people is like gungrabbers banning guns cause a few people misuse them. Perhaps, rather than just a locked thread... and they're free to go on their merry way and do the same thing in another thread... Perhaps instead there should be repercussions for the individuals, so they'll actually get the point. JMHO View Quote Maybe a suspension of member privileges would straighten some troublesome people out. If you want to disrupt or hijack threads maybe 3 or 4 days (or longer) of being nothing but a guest would go a long way towards changing immature attitudes. If that doesn't work simply enforce the ban. One thing I'd like to see is a tacked explanation when someone gets banned instead of several vague postings by members as to why they think it happened. |
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Quoted: Quoted: ok let me ask again. Give some specifics. I am more than willing to discuss this and maybe we can actually make things better. Give me some threads you objected to or [red]banned members you think were wronged?[/red] mike View Quote Imbroglio View Quote [b]Imbroglio[/b] is not banned. |
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3 things:
1. All current mods/staff are awesome. 2. Who are you? 3. Give specific locks and bans, or move the hell on. |
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Quoted: 3 things: 1. All current mods/staff are awesome. 2. Who are you? 3. Give specific locks and bans, or move the hell on. View Quote I knew you loved me... [kiss] Now settle down Frances... no need to use bad words. So anyway Sage, how did you like Bulletfest? |
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Quoted: 3 things: 1. All current mods/staff are awesome. . View Quote you really want to win that rifle huh?? |
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The mods are okay, but TheBeeKeeper1 still owes me a reach a round and until I get that I will still be upset.
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Quoted: Thanks to OPERATION ARFKOM FREEDOM and THE COALITION, the evil that had infiltrated the board through several mods was purged. Vigilance must continue as evil can return at any time. View Quote well said. they will remain nameless but they were a major detraction to this site. it seems to be better around here since then. i've been on and off with this site for probably about 5 years. i used to post a lot back then under a differ name. the various flame wars that used to infest the site got way out of hand cause me to leave. i'm here to talk about guns and shooting. honestly i only found this thread looking for more bulletfest pics and where to send the video i shot. there is probably only one person on the board who would know what my old user name was and that would be ed, sr. so ed if you figure it out please don't post it but email or pm is fine. i kind of enjoy lurking these days. i've met ed and several other current mods at all 4 bulletfests. i see campy at shows from time to time. all are always friendly and great to talk to. i see many large site going apparently down cause of the large influx of newer users. look at ebay how often sellers won't answer questions or do so rudely. try that in person at a store and see where you get. the whole net has become ruder in the last several years. aholes in real life are so on the net from what i've found. i've found a small board where us gun nuts can talk about guns and we don't get trolls cause the site is too obscure. that is what i like. for the AR family of weapons this site is still the tops. the specific forums are some of the best around. edited so it reads better and to fix really crappy spelling. |
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Quoted: Quoted: 3 things: 1. All current mods/staff are awesome. 2. Who are you? 3. Give specific locks and bans, or move the hell on. View Quote I knew you loved me... [kiss] So anyway Sage, how did you like Bulletfest? View Quote I loved Bulletfest. Most fun I've ever had in one day. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ok let me ask again. Give some specifics. I am more than willing to discuss this and maybe we can actually make things better. Give me some threads you objected to or [red]banned members you think were wronged?[/red] mike View Quote Imbroglio View Quote [b]Imbroglio[/b] is not banned. View Quote Not anymore... |
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Quoted: Quoted: While I don't agree with the original posters rant... One thing I think that would be nice to consider would be addressing the actual offender(s) who are breaking the rules, not shutting down whole threads because 1 or 2 start cussing each other out. (provided they're not the only two posting in that thread) I agree with the rules as they are, but I'm sure there are some out there who feel like a locked thread over 1 or 2 people is like gungrabbers banning guns cause a few people misuse them. Perhaps, rather than just a locked thread... and they're free to go on their merry way and do the same thing in another thread... Perhaps instead there should be repercussions for the individuals, so they'll actually get the point. JMHO View Quote Maybe a suspension of member privileges would straighten some troublesome people out. If you want to disrupt or hijack threads maybe 3 or 4 days (or longer) of being nothing but a guest would go a long way towards changing immature attitudes. If that doesn't work simply enforce the ban. One thing I'd like to see is a tacked explanation when someone gets banned instead of several vague postings by members as to why they think it happened. View Quote That was more along the lines what I was thinking... altho I was thinking after they mess up several times and are warned, they start getting day long suspensions, and longer the more times they do it afterwards. However, I know that'd be a hard thing to keep track of... so it may not be feasable. On a side note, EdAvilaSr: I don't know why, but EVERY TIME someone posts your handle "EdAvilaSr", my brain always reads "Evil Ed Sr." HAHA. I don't know why... kinda reminds me of DR Evil or something. No offense intended. But I do wanna say thanks Mr. Ed (doh! [;)]) for the site and also thanks to the others who help... all the mods and staff, etc... I think there will always be quirks here and there in any large gathering of people, be it online or not. And overall, I think there's much more going right at this site than many of the others I've been to. Keep up the good work [beer] |
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Quoted: there is probably only one person on the board who would know what my old user name was and that would be ed, sr. so ed if you figure it out please don't post it but email or pm is fine. i kind of enjoy lurking these days. i've met ed and several other current mods at all 4 bulletfests. i see campy at shows from time to time. all are always friendly and great to talk to. View Quote We talked for a shorter time than we should have this BFIV,but at least we talked. [:)] Your secret is safe with me.I won't say what your old handle was.....even if I remembered! [:D] Bulletfest I was remarkable for many things,one of which is that there were so "few" of us that I actually got to meet everyone! Do you remember the clay pigeon competition with MP5's? [:D] |
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My thoughts on the lock vs. individual edits.
I am able to check the site in the mornings and occasionally through the day. Like all the other mods i have a job and can't be here 24x7. When a thread turns into a raging piss fest the first thing i do is try to im the offending person. Sometimes i get a response sometimes i dont. Likely because they are also at work. AT that point i have to make a decision to leave it alone and hope it does not degenerate further or lock it and be done with it. It's a judgement call plain and simple. If i know other mods are online i usually post in the mod board so someone else can watch the thread while i am away. My preference would be a post edit/delete but when it involves multiple users that can be worse than just a lock. mike |
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