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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:32:56 PM EDT
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I agree. I am guilty of mixing and matching you of those who have provided previous arguments for the 6.5. None the less using your current argument, if I want to kill medium sized game out to 400 yards ethically, the 6.5 nor the 6.8 are my choice. 300 yards is pushing it. You can blow the lungs out of a deer at 300 with either cartridge and it will still run a substancial distance, compared to what my .30-06 or .300 winmag does. I prefer DRT or pretty close. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Cool. Glad it is working out for you. Now let's think about it. Good ammo is more than the 6.8. Not every barrel is equal. You want to take FULL advantage of your 6.5....say shoot 1000yds someday?? You aren't getting there on $120 barrel! If you aren't building it to take advantage of all THE AMAZING BRAGGING POINTS, the what is the point??? A .24+ bullet that hits hard and accurately at 3-400yds for medium sized game. 6.5 has more performance, 6.8 is cheaper. Both need help on cost/availability IMO Inside 300 yards the cartridges perform identical in the field on game. They yield the same results to kill game at that distance. Now then you want to kill game out at a 1000yds, you BETTER BE A MARKSMAN, lots of people talk few produce. If you are not you risk wounding or missing. At 1000yds you have a very small vital zone in order for the power left in the round to effectively do its job. When you add all these conditions up you get a gun that COSTS MORE. A LOT MORE. When you stay in your average redneck wheelhouse, 300 yards, the 6.8 performs the same, the GOOD components are cheaper, and in my location each box of Hornady ammo on the shelf is a dollar cheaper for 6.8 vs 6.5. That is assuming there is any 6.5 in stock, because in my area it rarely is. Good on you if 6.5 is your cup of tea. It is a great cartridge for those that want and can press it. Otherwise, if you can't, it's all just talking points. If I want to kill game out to 1000yds it will not be with anything out of an AR-15 chassis. I never said a thing about long distance. I don't see either a 6.5 or 6.8 being terribly effective on a deer or antelope at that range and I would like to think as a hunter I could get closer than that. None the less using your current argument, if I want to kill medium sized game out to 400 yards ethically, the 6.5 nor the 6.8 are my choice. 300 yards is pushing it. You can blow the lungs out of a deer at 300 with either cartridge and it will still run a substancial distance, compared to what my .30-06 or .300 winmag does. I prefer DRT or pretty close. 300 winmag is pretty light for medium sized game at 300 yards. On the smaller size at that distance I want a 300 norma and prefer a 338 lapua. If you blow the lungs out of any animal its dead, caliber is irrelevant. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:35:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 300 winmag is pretty light for medium sized game at 300 yards. On the smaller size at that distance I want a 300 norma and prefer a 338 lapua. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A .24+ bullet that hits hard and accurately at 3-400yds for medium sized game. 6.5 has more performance, 6.8 is cheaper. Both need help on cost/availability IMO Inside 300 yards the cartridges perform identical in the field on game. They yield the same results to kill game at that distance. Now then you want to kill game out at a 1000yds, you BETTER BE A MARKSMAN, lots of people talk few produce. If you are not you risk wounding or missing. At 1000yds you have a very small vital zone in order for the power left in the round to effectively do its job. When you add all these conditions up you get a gun that COSTS MORE. A LOT MORE. When you stay in your average redneck wheelhouse, 300 yards, the 6.8 performs the same, the GOOD components are cheaper, and in my location each box of Hornady ammo on the shelf is a dollar cheaper for 6.8 vs 6.5. That is assuming there is any 6.5 in stock, because in my area it rarely is. Good on you if 6.5 is your cup of tea. It is a great cartridge for those that want and can press it. Otherwise, if you can't, it's all just talking points. If I want to kill game out to 1000yds it will not be with anything out of an AR-15 chassis. I never said a thing about long distance. I don't see either a 6.5 or 6.8 being terribly effective on a deer or antelope at that range and I would like to think as a hunter I could get closer than that. None the less using your current argument, if I want to kill medium sized game out to 400 yards ethically, the 6.5 nor the 6.8 are my choice. 300 yards is pushing it. You can blow the lungs out of a deer at 300 with either cartridge and it will still run a substancial distance, compared to what my .30-06 or .300 winmag does. I prefer DRT or pretty close. 300 winmag is pretty light for medium sized game at 300 yards. On the smaller size at that distance I want a 300 norma and prefer a 338 lapua. so by your standards 6.5 and 6.8 are even a consideration. Different strokes. No arguments here. We all like different things. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:35:46 PM EDT
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My 18" barrel produces 2550fps with factory Hornady 123gr sst. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular? http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag53/MSUbulldog21/Guns/4F713294-FCD1-4DE2-B5DF-377CB1915BEA_zpsdlvr98t5.png My 18" barrel produces 2550fps with factory Hornady 123gr sst. That would alter my numbers to 417" drop/101" drift |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:37:40 PM EDT
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Because it sucks in an AR, maybe? Huh? Works great in mine. It doesn't appear that this fella knows much about ballistic coefficient |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:38:13 PM EDT
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OK, so by your standards 6.5 and 6.8 are even a consideration. Different strokes. No arguments here. We all like different things. I was joking. I killed a antelope last year at 419 with my 7mm-08 and it punched out the other side. I would have felt completely confident making the same shot with a grendel. Im going on a doe depredation hunt next week with the grendel so well see how that plays out. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was joking. I killed a antelope last year at 419 with my 7mm-08 and it punched out the other side. I would have felt completely confident making the same shot with a grendel. Im going on a doe depredation hunt next week with the grendel so well see how that plays out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OK, so by your standards 6.5 and 6.8 are even a consideration. Different strokes. No arguments here. We all like different things. I was joking. I killed a antelope last year at 419 with my 7mm-08 and it punched out the other side. I would have felt completely confident making the same shot with a grendel. Im going on a doe depredation hunt next week with the grendel so well see how that plays out. am I to tell you that you are wrong...  *good luck |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:41:38 PM EDT
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I agree. I am guilty of mixing and matching you of those who have provided previous arguments for the 6.5. None the less using your current argument, if I want to kill medium sized game out to 400 yards ethically, the 6.5 nor the 6.8 are my choice. 300 yards is pushing it. You can blow the lungs out of a deer at 300 with either cartridge and it will still run a substancial distance, compared to what my .30-06 or .300 winmag does. I prefer DRT or pretty close. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Cool. Glad it is working out for you. Now let's think about it. Good ammo is more than the 6.8. Not every barrel is equal. You want to take FULL advantage of your 6.5....say shoot 1000yds someday?? You aren't getting there on $120 barrel! If you aren't building it to take advantage of all THE AMAZING BRAGGING POINTS, the what is the point??? A .24+ bullet that hits hard and accurately at 3-400yds for medium sized game. 6.5 has more performance, 6.8 is cheaper. Both need help on cost/availability IMO Inside 300 yards the cartridges perform identical in the field on game. They yield the same results to kill game at that distance. Now then you want to kill game out at a 1000yds, you BETTER BE A MARKSMAN, lots of people talk few produce. If you are not you risk wounding or missing. At 1000yds you have a very small vital zone in order for the power left in the round to effectively do its job. When you add all these conditions up you get a gun that COSTS MORE. A LOT MORE. When you stay in your average redneck wheelhouse, 300 yards, the 6.8 performs the same, the GOOD components are cheaper, and in my location each box of Hornady ammo on the shelf is a dollar cheaper for 6.8 vs 6.5. That is assuming there is any 6.5 in stock, because in my area it rarely is. Good on you if 6.5 is your cup of tea. It is a great cartridge for those that want and can press it. Otherwise, if you can't, it's all just talking points. If I want to kill game out to 1000yds it will not be with anything out of an AR-15 chassis. I never said a thing about long distance. I don't see either a 6.5 or 6.8 being terribly effective on a deer or antelope at that range and I would like to think as a hunter I could get closer than that. None the less using your current argument, if I want to kill medium sized game out to 400 yards ethically, the 6.5 nor the 6.8 are my choice. 300 yards is pushing it. You can blow the lungs out of a deer at 300 with either cartridge and it will still run a substancial distance, compared to what my .30-06 or .300 winmag does. I prefer DRT or pretty close. 400yds being max. I am mulling building one for my GF as I don't think she would enjoy shooting my 30-06 or something similar. Can only hunt deer in Iowa with shotguns or muzzleloaders so it it would really only come into play if we go out of state unless they bring back our late doe anything goes season (I want .24+ in case they do because that was a stipulation the last time we had it) |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:46:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 400yds being max. I am mulling building one for my GF as I don't think she would enjoy shooting my 30-06 or something similar. Can only hunt deer in Iowa with shotguns or muzzleloaders so it it would really only come into play if we go out of state unless they bring back our late doe anything goes season (I want .24+ in case they do because that was a stipulation the last time we had it) pictures when done. I am interested in seeing. I can't speak highly enough of JP supermatch barrels. But you pay for them. Good luck with it. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:49:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep preaching that. I have addressed this already. You want to kill game at long distances with a 6.5 go ahead. You need to be very proficient to get anymore hunting use out of a 6.5 at distance. Inside 300 yards the cartridges perform identical in the field on game. They yield the same results to kill game at that distance. Now then you want to kill game out at a 1000yds, you BETTER BE A MARKSMAN, lots of people talk few produce. If you are not you risk wounding or missing. At 1000yds you have a very small vital zone in order for the power left in the round to effectively do its job. When you add all these conditions up you get a gun that COSTS MORE. A LOT MORE. When you stay in your average redneck wheelhouse, 300 yards, the 6.8 performs the same, the GOOD components are cheaper, and in my location each box of Hornady ammo on the shelf is a dollar cheaper for 6.8 vs 6.5. That is assuming there is any 6.5 in stock, because in my area it rarely is. Good on you if 6.5 is your cup of tea. It is a great cartridge for those that want and can press it. Otherwise, if you can't, it's all just talking points. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cool. Glad it is working out for you. Now let's think about it. Good ammo is more than the 6.8. Not every barrel is equal. You want to take FULL advantage of your 6.5....say shoot 1000yds someday?? You aren't getting there on $120 barrel! If you aren't building it to take advantage of all THE AMAZING BRAGGING POINTS, the what is the point??? A .24+ bullet that hits hard and accurately at 3-400yds for medium sized game. 6.5 has more performance, 6.8 is cheaper. Both need help on cost/availability IMO Inside 300 yards the cartridges perform identical in the field on game. They yield the same results to kill game at that distance. Now then you want to kill game out at a 1000yds, you BETTER BE A MARKSMAN, lots of people talk few produce. If you are not you risk wounding or missing. At 1000yds you have a very small vital zone in order for the power left in the round to effectively do its job. When you add all these conditions up you get a gun that COSTS MORE. A LOT MORE. When you stay in your average redneck wheelhouse, 300 yards, the 6.8 performs the same, the GOOD components are cheaper, and in my location each box of Hornady ammo on the shelf is a dollar cheaper for 6.8 vs 6.5. That is assuming there is any 6.5 in stock, because in my area it rarely is. Good on you if 6.5 is your cup of tea. It is a great cartridge for those that want and can press it. Otherwise, if you can't, it's all just talking points. I would consider a couple of bucks difference in the price of a box of ammo as a talking point as well. I'm not going to save pennies to forego dollars worth of performance. If you can choose between a round that does great inside 300 and ok beyond 300 or a round that does great inside 300 and good beyond 300.....Why not get the extra performance even if you rarely or never use it? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:54:33 PM EDT
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Cool. Glad it is working out for you. Now let's think about it. Good ammo is more than the 6.8. Not every barrel is equal. You want to take FULL advantage of your 6.5....say shoot 1000yds someday?? You aren't getting there on $120 barrel! If you aren't building it to take advantage of all THE AMAZING BRAGGING POINTS, the what is the point??? I've had Shaw barrels. Not bad, not great. I haven't seen a 1000yd $120 Shaw barrel yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On a board where logic trumps all and emotion is a liberal thing to be set aside, "Inventor was mean" is apparently an important factor in choosing a caliber. It has some traction now. Still costs more than 6.8. I dont see it costing more than 6.8. JT had some Shaw barrels on sale for $120, bolt for $50. I don't have any more than any other ar in my Grendel even with a carbon fiber ffhg. I've shot several deer out to 275 with it. Good medicine on yotes too.  this was Sunday. Local lgs even carries Hornady sst which cost the same as any other hunting ammo. For deer and big game, pretty much best compromise in an ar sized platform.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img921/8996/Vy2sAF.jpg I've had Shaw barrels. Not bad, not great. I haven't seen a 1000yd $120 Shaw barrel yet. I got second round hits on 20x20 steel at 500 and 900 with the steel cased wolf and a lightweight barrel I got second hand for $120... |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:54:52 PM EDT
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Is 6.5 CM in the same ball park? I see a huge fan boi in my AO with a huge sticker of an AR across his back window and a 6.5 inside..sticker above it. Odd. I think: For the same bullet and barrel, the Creedmoor will match the Grendel velocity/energy 150 yards further. So if the Grendel gives you the energy you want at 150 yards like to punch through a giant elk or something, the CM matches it at 300 yards. Big difference. If you're happy with what the Grendel does at 1100 yards like make it to a steel target and go clunk, the CM extends that to 1250 yards. Not a big difference IMO. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:57:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would consider a couple of bucks difference in the price of a box of ammo as a talking point as well. I'm not going to save pennies to forego dollars worth of performance. If you can choose between a round that does great inside 300 and ok beyond 300 or a round that does great inside 300 and good beyond 300.....Why not get the extra performance even if you rarely or never use it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cool. Glad it is working out for you. Now let's think about it. Good ammo is more than the 6.8. Not every barrel is equal. You want to take FULL advantage of your 6.5....say shoot 1000yds someday?? You aren't getting there on $120 barrel! If you aren't building it to take advantage of all THE AMAZING BRAGGING POINTS, the what is the point??? A .24+ bullet that hits hard and accurately at 3-400yds for medium sized game. 6.5 has more performance, 6.8 is cheaper. Both need help on cost/availability IMO Inside 300 yards the cartridges perform identical in the field on game. They yield the same results to kill game at that distance. Now then you want to kill game out at a 1000yds, you BETTER BE A MARKSMAN, lots of people talk few produce. If you are not you risk wounding or missing. At 1000yds you have a very small vital zone in order for the power left in the round to effectively do its job. When you add all these conditions up you get a gun that COSTS MORE. A LOT MORE. When you stay in your average redneck wheelhouse, 300 yards, the 6.8 performs the same, the GOOD components are cheaper, and in my location each box of Hornady ammo on the shelf is a dollar cheaper for 6.8 vs 6.5. That is assuming there is any 6.5 in stock, because in my area it rarely is. Good on you if 6.5 is your cup of tea. It is a great cartridge for those that want and can press it. Otherwise, if you can't, it's all just talking points. I would consider a couple of bucks difference in the price of a box of ammo as a talking point as well. I'm not going to save pennies to forego dollars worth of performance. If you can choose between a round that does great inside 300 and ok beyond 300 or a round that does great inside 300 and good beyond 300.....Why not get the extra performance even if you rarely or never use it? not in the box of ammo but that to adds up. And the ammo performance is theoretically the same. 120gr sst hornady vs 123gr sst hornady. The 6.5 is $1 a box more. OK not much but a real fact not a talking point that is subjective. Now talk barrels, you are gonna pay for a 1000yd barrel. Now talking points....how well do you actually shoot. There are some real shooters on arfcom. There are some real turds who like to talk crap too. No reflection on you, I don't know you. The guys in my area, way more talkers than shooters. A 1000yd shot on a game animal, is bit more than taking your 3-9x40 Leupold out on your 6.5 with some wolf ammo. Again no reflection on you or anybody here on arfcom, all reflection on the morons in my area who read this crap and think they are ready for their own TV show. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:58:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got second round hits on 20x20 steel at 500 and 900 with the steel cased wolf and a lightweight barrel I got second hand for $120... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: On a board where logic trumps all and emotion is a liberal thing to be set aside, "Inventor was mean" is apparently an important factor in choosing a caliber. It has some traction now. Still costs more than 6.8. I dont see it costing more than 6.8. JT had some Shaw barrels on sale for $120, bolt for $50. I don't have any more than any other ar in my Grendel even with a carbon fiber ffhg. I've shot several deer out to 275 with it. Good medicine on yotes too. this was Sunday. Local lgs even carries Hornady sst which cost the same as any other hunting ammo. For deer and big game, pretty much best compromise in an ar sized platform. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img921/8996/Vy2sAF.jpg I've had Shaw barrels. Not bad, not great. I haven't seen a 1000yd $120 Shaw barrel yet. I got second round hits on 20x20 steel at 500 and 900 with the steel cased wolf and a lightweight barrel I got second hand for $120... I shot 6moa with WOLF 6.5 from the same gun that shot the groups I posted previously. One offs happen. and that is truth |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:59:52 PM EDT
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Getting that long bullet to fit in an AR mag requires deep seating, which kills your case capacity. You would also have poor bullet retention as the case mouth is on the ogive, bullet setback issues are practically guaranteed. http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/spc68vgrendel65.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Full disclosure: I'm a little fish and they were more doing me a favor to do a couple one offs. Even at what they charged, it's not much worth their time. On the Grendel: In MHO, the AR bolt is not large enough for that size of case head. There's just not enough meat on the lugs for the margin of safety I'd like. Of course they get them to work. But you're a lot closer to the edge that I care to be. 6.8 doesn't have the bolt issues that the 6.5G and the 7.62x39 that it's based off of have. I wonder how well a wildcat based on a 6.8 necked down to 6.5 would work? You side step the bolt issues and gain the advantage of using the high BC 6.5 projectiles. Getting that long bullet to fit in an AR mag requires deep seating, which kills your case capacity. You would also have poor bullet retention as the case mouth is on the ogive, bullet setback issues are practically guaranteed. http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/spc68vgrendel65.jpg If I put a bullet with a similar BC in the 6.8, it would look worse. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:05:43 PM EDT
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Cool, I shot 6moa with WOLF 6.5 from the same gun that shot the groups I posted previously. One offs happen. and that is truth
Yep. I can't explain it, but if you tell me to "Hit that" I usually hit it. If you tell me "Shoot a group at that range", it'll be ugly. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:07:08 PM EDT
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular? http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag53/MSUbulldog21/Guns/4F713294-FCD1-4DE2-B5DF-377CB1915BEA_zpsdlvr98t5.png Worse than I thought only supersonic to 900yards. I'll be generous and give it a 123 Amax and 2500fps @1k in standard conditions 437" drop and 104.1" wind drift(spin d off) With my 90smk load at 2568fps in the same conditions 413" drop and 103.8 wind drift(spin d off). Just doesn't seem that great, my load will work in any standard 7 twist rifle plus or minus some seating depth. I'm not saying it is a bad round, it just seems hyped up a bit. You and your heavy bullets.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:07:20 PM EDT
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Yep. I can't explain it, but if you tell me to "Hit that" I usually hit it. If you tell me "Shoot a group at that range", it'll be ugly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cool, I shot 6moa with WOLF 6.5 from the same gun that shot the groups I posted previously. One offs happen. and that is truth
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:07:54 PM EDT
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular? http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag53/MSUbulldog21/Guns/4F713294-FCD1-4DE2-B5DF-377CB1915BEA_zpsdlvr98t5.png Worse than I thought only supersonic to 900yards. I'll be generous and give it a 123 Amax and 2500fps @1k in standard conditions 437" drop and 104.1" wind drift(spin d off) With my 90smk load at 2568fps in the same conditions 413" drop and 103.8 wind drift(spin d off). Just doesn't seem that great, my load will work in any standard 7 twist rifle plus or minus some seating depth. I'm not saying it is a bad round, it just seems hyped up a bit. You and your heavy bullets.
Lol, can you get 6.5 Grendel barrels in 1:7.5" twist so I can run 140 Hybrids?
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:08:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not in the box of ammo but that to adds up. And the ammo performance is theoretically the same. 120gr sst hornady vs 123gr sst hornady. The 6.5 is $1 a box more. OK not much but a real fact not a talking point that is subjective. Now talk barrels, you are gonna pay for a 1000yd barrel. Now talking points....how well do you actually shoot. There are some real shooters on arfcom. There are some real turds who like to talk crap too. No reflection on you, I don't know you. The guys in my area, way more talkers than shooters. A 1000yd shot on a game animal, is bit more than taking your 3-9x40 Leupold out on your 6.5 with some wolf ammo. Again no reflection on you or anybody here on arfcom, all reflection on the morons in my area who read this crap and think they are ready for their own TV show. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would consider a couple of bucks difference in the price of a box of ammo as a talking point as well. I'm not going to save pennies to forego dollars worth of performance. If you can choose between a round that does great inside 300 and ok beyond 300 or a round that does great inside 300 and good beyond 300.....Why not get the extra performance even if you rarely or never use it? Now talk barrels, you are gonna pay for a 1000yd barrel. Now talking points....how well do you actually shoot. There are some real shooters on arfcom. There are some real turds who like to talk crap too. No reflection on you, I don't know you. The guys in my area, way more talkers than shooters. A 1000yd shot on a game animal, is bit more than taking your 3-9x40 Leupold out on your 6.5 with some wolf ammo. Again no reflection on you or anybody here on arfcom, all reflection on the morons in my area who read this crap and think they are ready for their own TV show. Oh I understand. I tend to wrinkle my eyebrows at anyone taking shots much beyond 500 on game. Its just not worth the risk to the animal. Even really really good shooters can make the smallest of mistakes at that range and end up with a wounded animal they wont be able to get to or find. As the saying goes, just because you can do something doesnt mean you necessarily should. But even as a talker, why not own the caliber that has the legs to go bang steel at 1000 if you want? You can pick up a barrel that can let you have fun at 1000 for a reasonable price. I mean if you want a full monty benchrest rig yeah you're going to pay handsomely, but you can pick up a middle of the road barrel and decent ammo and still go bang steel at range (Or try, depending on your abilities) As for my personal shooting ability. I'd say probably average. I've shot out to 600 but havent had the chance to go further. I really *really* want to though. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:09:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:11:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:15:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:16:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh I understand. I tend to wrinkle my eyebrows at anyone taking shots much beyond 500 on game. Its just not worth the risk to the animal. Even really really good shooters can make the smallest of mistakes at that range and end up with a wounded animal they wont be able to get to or find. As the saying goes, just because you can do something doesnt mean you necessarily should. But even as a talker, why not own the caliber that has the legs to go bang steel at 1000 if you want? You can pick up a barrel that can let you have fun at 1000 for a reasonable price. I mean if you want a full monty benchrest rig yeah you're going to pay handsomely, but you can pick up a middle of the road barrel and decent ammo and still go bang steel at range (Or try, depending on your abilities) As for my personal shooting ability. I'd say probably average. I've shot out to 600 but havent had the chance to go further. I really *really* want to though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would consider a couple of bucks difference in the price of a box of ammo as a talking point as well. I'm not going to save pennies to forego dollars worth of performance. If you can choose between a round that does great inside 300 and ok beyond 300 or a round that does great inside 300 and good beyond 300.....Why not get the extra performance even if you rarely or never use it? Now talk barrels, you are gonna pay for a 1000yd barrel. Now talking points....how well do you actually shoot. There are some real shooters on arfcom. There are some real turds who like to talk crap too. No reflection on you, I don't know you. The guys in my area, way more talkers than shooters. A 1000yd shot on a game animal, is bit more than taking your 3-9x40 Leupold out on your 6.5 with some wolf ammo. Again no reflection on you or anybody here on arfcom, all reflection on the morons in my area who read this crap and think they are ready for their own TV show. Oh I understand. I tend to wrinkle my eyebrows at anyone taking shots much beyond 500 on game. Its just not worth the risk to the animal. Even really really good shooters can make the smallest of mistakes at that range and end up with a wounded animal they wont be able to get to or find. As the saying goes, just because you can do something doesnt mean you necessarily should. But even as a talker, why not own the caliber that has the legs to go bang steel at 1000 if you want? You can pick up a barrel that can let you have fun at 1000 for a reasonable price. I mean if you want a full monty benchrest rig yeah you're going to pay handsomely, but you can pick up a middle of the road barrel and decent ammo and still go bang steel at range (Or try, depending on your abilities) As for my personal shooting ability. I'd say probably average. I've shot out to 600 but havent had the chance to go further. I really *really* want to though. this has pretty much been my point the entire time. Just be genuine with reasoning. I just want it, I plan to shoot 1000yd steel. But when somebody says I plan to shoot 1000yd steel and oh yea I can also buy cheap wolf ammo, well no that's not genuine. The 6.8, which I had first, and all the powder and dies I had first, works well for me. The 6.5 was more gun than I needed, the extra cost of such wasn't a wise investment. I don't have the 6.5 and they guy who owns it, is thrilled. Or was, he has since moved on to 6.5 CM. That guy is also a fad guy. Not that the grendel is a fad, but he spends money to be cool. I like him he is a good guy, he has had some cool toy. His business. My genuiness, is bubba doesn't need the added expense of a true 1000 yd grendel when a 300 yd much cheaper 6.8 fits his needs. He, however, can decide what he wants. Just know real talk from talking points.  |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:19:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That and: Shoot a pop can at 100 yards. Bang! Sploosh! "I'm the man Yeah!" Shoot paper at 100 yards, group is 2" x 4". "Let's not tell AR15 that we went shooting today" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cool, I shot 6moa with WOLF 6.5 from the same gun that shot the groups I posted previously. One offs happen. and that is truth Yep. I can't explain it, but if you tell me to "Hit that" I usually hit it. If you tell me "Shoot a group at that range", it'll be ugly. I think we might have a correlation here. I also only need to hit once to feel successful if I'm not shooting paper. That and: Shoot a pop can at 100 yards. Bang! Sploosh! "I'm the man Yeah!" Shoot paper at 100 yards, group is 2" x 4". "Let's not tell AR15 that we went shooting today" busted a Dr. Pepper can with my XD 4" 45 at 60 yards. I go to the range and shoot  at 7 and 15 yards....WHY?? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:19:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:21:07 PM EDT
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Yep. I can't explain it, but if you tell me to "Hit that" I usually hit it. If you tell me "Shoot a group at that range", it'll be ugly. I think we might have a correlation here. I also only need to hit once to feel successful if I'm not shooting paper. That and: Shoot a pop can at 100 yards. Bang! Sploosh! "I'm the man Yeah!"
Shoot paper at 100 yards, group is 2" x 4". "Let's not tell AR15 that we went shooting today" 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:22:12 PM EDT
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The difference between the Grendel, and .264 LBC is that the LBC's neck is 5 thousandths smaller. Both rounds are interchangeable. The 6.8 and Grendel start 123 grain bullets at about the same velocity, but the 6.5 bullet remains supersonic much farther than the 6.8.
Alexander let the licensing requirement lapse, but it seems that the 6.8 round has grabbed much of the attention, and with the 300 blackout, there just isn't much room left for the Grendel. Having a requirement for special magazines also hurt the Grendel. I ha owned four grendels, and I think it is a terrific cartridge. If the company that makes the Mutant AR rifle would combine it's larger bolt and barrel extension into a Grendel, that might help, but using the standard AR uppers is a big benefit too. Early bolt breakage was an issue that was solved with improved metallurgy, and with trying the faces of upper receivers. The vast majority of forged receivers are not square with the bolt carrier path. This is not an issue with the 5.56 round, but a square receiver evens out pressure on bolt lugs. Since I tried my pushers, and bought a new bolt, I have several thousands of rounds without any issues. For practical rifle matches, the Grendel is hard to beat. It bucks wind far better than the 5.56, has drop close to a 300 WM, recoils about 20% more than a 5.56, and hits steel plates at 600-700 yards much, MUCH harder than any 5.56 round, so it is easier to tell you have hit your target. I think it is a great round. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:32:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:35:38 PM EDT
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Alexander is an ass. My experiences over the years is the exact opposite. Have known him personally for a long time, and I heard this claim before ever meeting. Unfortunately, I let it color my impression of him for a while without verifying. It was unfounded and cost me lessons learned that could have been learned sooner. As to the popularity of 6.5 Grendel. It is very popular. Noveske said they plan on making barrels for it soon. There are 37 or 38 factory loads for it last count from various sources, to include AA, Hornady, Federal, Wolf, and Precision Firearms. AA, JP, Les Baer, J&T, Precision Firearms, MGI, Odin Works, and several other companies make complete rifles, uppers, and barrels. Criterion, Lilja, Faxon, Shilen, Satern, Liberty, Krieger, and other barrel makers make drop-in barrels for it. Mags have been plentiful for many years now from Cproducts, ASC, and AA. There isn't another factory cartridge for the AR15 that can do what it does. OP's premise that it isn't popular doesn't reflect the market. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:39:02 PM EDT
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You can thank Bill Alexander for fucking over his own brainchild. It's a wonderful cartridge though. 100% false. You can thank Bill Alexander for protecting the cartridge from de-tuning from people who think they can make it better. He spent over $10,000 on different reamer designs alone when experimenting with it, trying to find a chamber that would shoot both secant and tangent ogive projectiles. Hornady took it to SAAMI much earlier than expected, which is a good thing for ammo and chamber standardization-the goal all along. Before that, small shops didn't like the idea of licensing reamers from AA, since they wanted to call up a quick reamer maker and get what they wanted now, regardless of whether it fit factory ammo or not. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:43:47 PM EDT
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My experiences over the years is the exact opposite. Have known him personally for a long time, and I heard this claim before ever meeting. Unfortunately, I let it color my impression of him for a while with verifying. It was unfounded and cost me lessons learned that could have been learned sooner. As to the popularity of 6.5 Grendel. It is very popular. Noveske said they plan on making barrels for it soon. There are 37 or 38 factory loads for it last count from various sources, to include AA, Hornady, Federal, Wolf, and Precision Firearms. AA, JP, Les Baer, J&T, Precision Firearms, MGI, Odin Works, and several other companies make complete rifles, uppers, and barrels. Criterion, Lilja, Faxon, Shilen, Satern, Liberty, Krieger, and other barrel makers make drop-in barrels for it. Mags have been plentiful for many years now from Cproducts, ASC, and AA. There isn't another factory cartridge for the AR15 that can do what it does. OP's premise that it isn't popular doesn't reflect the market. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alexander is an ass. My experiences over the years is the exact opposite. Have known him personally for a long time, and I heard this claim before ever meeting. Unfortunately, I let it color my impression of him for a while with verifying. It was unfounded and cost me lessons learned that could have been learned sooner. As to the popularity of 6.5 Grendel. It is very popular. Noveske said they plan on making barrels for it soon. There are 37 or 38 factory loads for it last count from various sources, to include AA, Hornady, Federal, Wolf, and Precision Firearms. AA, JP, Les Baer, J&T, Precision Firearms, MGI, Odin Works, and several other companies make complete rifles, uppers, and barrels. Criterion, Lilja, Faxon, Shilen, Satern, Liberty, Krieger, and other barrel makers make drop-in barrels for it. Mags have been plentiful for many years now from Cproducts, ASC, and AA. There isn't another factory cartridge for the AR15 that can do what it does. OP's premise that it isn't popular doesn't reflect the market. So mags, barrel and bolt are all that is required to convert from a .223? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:43:53 PM EDT
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Didn't they have issues breaking bolts? Something about too much material being removed to accommodate the case? After market vendors like M&A guns show grade parts using worthless "7.62x39" bolts that wouldn't last a few hundred rounds in their interpretation of what they thought 6.5 Grendel is, sold as "6.5 Sporter" and other names accounts for a lot of that. Real 6.5 Grendel bolts are made from a much better alloy than 99% of 5.56 bolts, totally engineered from the ground up to be 6.5 Grendel bolts. You can't make a Grendel bolt from a 5.56 bolt. It's longer, and has critical dimensions in places that are impossible to form from 5.56 bolts. I've only broken 5.56 bolts in my experiences over the years. I have never broken 6.5 Grendel bolts, and I shoot thousands of rounds a year, while shooting next to others with 6.5 Grendel who shoot high volume as well. I take them through my DM and precision rifle courses throughout the year, and attend competitions and training events where they are present. I have yet to see it. I've seen plenty of reports of after-market imitation bolts breaking. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:49:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:49:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.8 doesn't have the bolt issues that the 6.5G and the 7.62x39 that it's based off of have. I wonder how well a wildcat based on a 6.8 necked down to 6.5 would work? You side step the bolt issues and gain the advantage of using the high BC 6.5 projectiles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Faxon won't do anything but group buys and BA hasn't been quick to market Faxon is in my neck of the woods and I've had them do work for me before. I don't think they do anything quickly. They do very nice work, though...when they get around to it. Full disclosure: I'm a little fish and they were more doing me a favor to do a couple one offs. Even at what they charged, it's not much worth their time. On the Grendel: In MHO, the AR bolt is not large enough for that size of case head. There's just not enough meat on the lugs for the margin of safety I'd like. Of course they get them to work. But you're a lot closer to the edge that I care to be. 6.8 doesn't have the bolt issues that the 6.5G and the 7.62x39 that it's based off of have. I wonder how well a wildcat based on a 6.8 necked down to 6.5 would work? You side step the bolt issues and gain the advantage of using the high BC 6.5 projectiles. A vendor who can not be named here has done that. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:49:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:49:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:50:51 PM EDT
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Alexander is an ass. My experiences over the years is the exact opposite. Have known him personally for a long time, and I heard this claim before ever meeting. Unfortunately, I let it color my impression of him for a while with verifying. It was unfounded and cost me lessons learned that could have been learned sooner. As to the popularity of 6.5 Grendel. It is very popular. Noveske said they plan on making barrels for it soon. There are 37 or 38 factory loads for it last count from various sources, to include AA, Hornady, Federal, Wolf, and Precision Firearms. AA, JP, Les Baer, J&T, Precision Firearms, MGI, Odin Works, and several other companies make complete rifles, uppers, and barrels. Criterion, Lilja, Faxon, Shilen, Satern, Liberty, Krieger, and other barrel makers make drop-in barrels for it. Mags have been plentiful for many years now from Cproducts, ASC, and AA. There isn't another factory cartridge for the AR15 that can do what it does. OP's premise that it isn't popular doesn't reflect the market. So mags, barrel and bolt are all that is required to convert from a .223? Yes. Edit: beat. I guess you don't have to have the mags if you only plan on loading a couple rounds at a time, but that sort of defeats the purpose of the grendel in the first place which was to get a cartridge that would fit in an ar15 sized magazine. They are under $20ea anyway. AA is running a special on them right now too. 5 mags for $85. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:51:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:51:55 PM EDT
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Bill Alexander has a patent on the cartridge and you basically have to jump through is hoops to get licensed to build barrels for it. Hence the low number of manufactures. Le Baer came out with the .264LBC which from what I understand is the same thing as the 6.5 Grendel with a few minor tweeks to the case dimensions to get around the patent. From what I've read the two are close enough to be interchangeable. No....sigh |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:52:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:53:30 PM EDT
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More ignorance. Bill Alexander has maintained a standard. What the rest of the industry does trying to deviate from that standard is outside of his control. Some of you really should think twice about posting before showing how ignorant you are about how this all works, really. This site needs a gun IQ rating next to each member. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:56:57 PM EDT
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular? You get better than .308 ballistics from the AR15 in many respects, with none of the .308 penalties when looking at weight, recoil, and rifle size. Impact energy on target is very close to .308, to the point that people will look over at you at the range and wonder what is going on with that little AR15 spanking the steel so hard. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 2:00:36 PM EDT
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I think: For the same bullet and barrel, the Creedmoor will match the Grendel velocity/energy 150 yards further. So if the Grendel gives you the energy you want at 150 yards like to punch through a giant elk or something, the CM matches it at 300 yards. Big difference. If you're happy with what the Grendel does at 1100 yards like make it to a steel target and go clunk, the CM extends that to 1250 yards. Not a big difference IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/23/2016 2:02:10 PM EDT
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I've wondered the original question also. The whole thing doesn't make sense. The inventor thinking that he's going to own the world with his idea, that does make sense. Taking too long to market. 6.8 was way ahead there. You can even buy pmags for them.... I've never heard of the lawsuit talk before. But that makes perfect sense too. Promising litigation is a great way to demotivate an industry to build on the idea. I asked a manufacturer once about doing a grendel. They just laughed sarcastically and said no thanks like I was an idiot. Now I know why. It's too bad. It has all the makings anyone could want. Mag length, common components, high BC, and a wolf load available. Anyone who threatens to sue people for just about anything outside of collections usually suck. Sometimes it's valid, and needed. But usually, your just a whinny dick. To me that automatically puts you in the asshole category. Don't believe everything you read on the internet, especially with most of what has been said in this thread. I heard it all back in the 2005-2008 timeframe as well. Most of it came from the 6.8 crowd after the Blackwater Shoot in 2004, where the 6.5 Grendel penetrated auto glass at 500m and the 6.8 guys picked up their rifles and refused to do the shoot. They were introduced at the same time. One was marketed as the next Special Forces cartridge, with a lot of hype created between dealers and distributors at the height of the GWOT, and people believed it. The other advertised itself with performance and serious industry support, rather than a rush to production from Remington, which was a complete abortion. AA prevented the de-stadardization that the market likes to do by licensing reamers to anyone that wanted to make 6.5 Grendel, and supplied bolts and magazines too. There was no effort to keep it limited. It was to protect the customer from people who don't know how to design and build new cartridges. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 2:03:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2016 2:04:44 PM EDT
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I have read so many of these threads. It really does not matter to me what anyone else likes or why. I have both the 264lbc ar and a 6.5 grendel. They all shoot the same. Very accurate and low recoil. Why did I choose the 6.5? Don't really know. It just intrigued me for some reason. For what I do the 6.8 would have done just as well 95% of the time. I do know that when shooting 4" gongs at 200 yds it almost becomes boring. My range only goes out to 200 so I have not taken it beyond that.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 2:05:11 PM EDT
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You get better than .308 ballistics from the AR15 in many respects, with none of the .308 penalties when looking at weight, recoil, and rifle size. Impact energy on target is very close to .308, to the point that people will look over at you at the range and wonder what is going on with that little AR15 spanking the steel so hard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular? You get better than .308 ballistics from the AR15 in many respects, with none of the .308 penalties when looking at weight, recoil, and rifle size. Impact energy on target is very close to .308, to the point that people will look over at you at the range and wonder what is going on with that little AR15 spanking the steel so hard. And with 10 to 15 less grains of powder |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 2:05:14 PM EDT
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 It's supersonic at 1000 yds!!!
Only matters, realistically, ringing gongs. Less drop at longer ranges. Flat shooting round. If you aren't ringing gongs at 1000yds. The 6.8 handles all your average hunting needs, for cheaper. Plain, simple, and honest truth. Some others will tell you different. They may have excellent points...for their advanced skill set. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular? It's supersonic at 1000 yds!!!
Only matters, realistically, ringing gongs. Less drop at longer ranges. Flat shooting round. If you aren't ringing gongs at 1000yds. The 6.8 handles all your average hunting needs, for cheaper. Plain, simple, and honest truth. Some others will tell you different. They may have excellent points...for their advanced skill set. Nope. 6.5 Grendel hits harder on game animals at close range for the same reasons that it retains energy so well at distance. Doesn't matter it it's from a short barrel or not, no special skills needed. The average hunter who wants to slay white tail, pigs, and other medium game is better equipped with a 10.5" to 18" Grendel than a 6.8 SPC II. Hit probability into the vitals is higher. Impact speed is higher. Expansion threshold is held longer, so more expansion with a longer ogive for expansion, plus a longer tail end of the bullet provides better terminal performance. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 2:05:33 PM EDT
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I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 I would be in for a 16" or 18" |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 2:07:14 PM EDT
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he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been really pleased with mine, but it does seem as though the inventor wanted it to fail. he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple You're on a really ignorant streak this week it seems. Explain to us then why AA sold bolts, mags, and licensed reamers to anyone that wanted to make it before it was SAAMI-approved? You can't, but since you read it on the internet and are going to double down on massive amounts of derp, you'll refuse to swallow pride, and continue with pure falsehoods. |
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