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Posted: 6/19/2003 7:33:18 PM EDT
[rofl] [lol] bwa ha ha ha ha what a dumb bastard [url]http://wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html[/url]
Orrin Hatch: Software Pirate? By Leander Kahney Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html 11:56 AM Jun. 19, 2003 PT Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) suggested Tuesday that people who download copyright materials from the Internet should have their computers automatically destroyed. But Hatch himself is using unlicensed software on his official website, which presumably would qualify his computer to be smoked by the system he proposes. The senator's site makes extensive use of a JavaScript menu system developed by Milonic Solutions, a software company based in the United Kingdom. The copyright-protected code has not been licensed for use on Hatch's website. "It's an unlicensed copy," said Andy Woolley, who runs Milonic. "It's very unfortunate for him because of those comments he made." Hatch on Tuesday surprised a Senate hearing on copyright issues with the suggestion that technology should be developed to remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music from the Net. Hatch said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights," the Associated Press reported. He then suggested the technology would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer." Any such technology would be in violation of federal antihacking laws. The senator, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, suggested Congress would have to make copyright holders exempt from current laws for them to legally destroy people's computers. On Wednesday, Hatch clarified his comments, but stuck by the original idea. "I do not favor extreme remedies -- unless no moderate remedies can be found," he said in a statement. "I asked the interested industries to help us find those moderate remedies." Just as well. Because if Hatch's terminator system embraced software as well as music, his servers would be targeted for destruction. Milonic Solutions' JavaScript code used on Hatch's website costs $900 for a site-wide license. It is free for personal or nonprofit use, which the senator likely qualifies for. However, the software's license stipulates that the user must register the software to receive a licensing code, and provide a link in the source code to Milonic's website. On Wednesday, the senator's site met none of Milonic's licensing terms. The site's source code (which can be seen by selecting Source under the View menu in Internet Explorer) had neither a link to Milonic's site nor a registration code. However, by Thursday afternoon Hatch's site had been updated to contain some of the requisite copyright information. An old version of the page can be seen by viewing Google's cache of the site. "They're using our code," Woolley said Wednesday. "We've had no contact with them. They are in breach of our licensing terms." When contacted Thursday, Woolley said the company that maintains the senator's site had e-mailed Milonic to begin the registration process. Woolley said the code added to Hatch's site after the issue came to light met some -- but not all -- of Milonic's licensing requirements. Before the site was updated, the source code on Hatch's site contained the line: "* i am the license for the menu (duh) *" Woolley said he had no idea where the line came from -- it has nothing to do with him, and he hadn't seen it on other websites that use his menu system. "It looks like it's trying to cover something up, as though they got a license," he said. A spokesman in Hatch's office on Wednesday responded, "That's ironic" before declining to put Wired News in contact with the site's webmaster. He deferred comment on the senator's statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee, which did not return calls. The apparent violation was discovered by Laurence Simon, an unemployed system administrator from Houston, who was poking around Hatch's site after becoming outraged by his comments. Milonic's Woolley said the senator's unlicensed use of his software was just "the tip of the iceberg." He said he knows of at least two other senators using unlicensed copies of his software, and many big companies. Continental Airlines, for example, one of the largest airlines in the United States, uses Woolley's system throughout its Continental.com website. Woolley said the airline has not paid for the software. Worse, the copyright notices in the source code have been removed. "That really pisses me off," he said. A spokesman for Continental said the airline would look into the matter. Woolley makes his living from his software. Like a lot of independent programmers, he struggles to get people to conform to his licensing terms, let alone pay for his software. "We don't want blood," he said. "We just want payment for the hard work we do. We work very, very hard. If they're not prepared to pay, they're software pirates."
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[Last Edit: 6/19/2003 7:57:41 PM EDT by Aggie1]
Sooo, we have found a politician that is a hypocrite. Who'd have thunk it? I thought they were all fine upstanding members of the community. Now I find out some are criminals. I am very, very disillusioned.
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 8:34:00 PM EDT
Reaction from Sen. Hatch's office: "Oh, ouch! I just stepped on my...." I don't much like the idea of piracy, but blowin' up peoples' computers w/o due process just ain't right
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 9:52:27 PM EDT
File shares are just a fact of life. If your music or movie is good, people will buy it. Not only that, there are lots of things on the net that just aren't available anywhere else. The other day I DLed the radio Brodcast of the Normandy D-Day Landings and Ed Murrows London After Dark broadcasts. I could have never found that stuff otherwise. As for piracy what is the difference between a file share and a burned copy? You can take a store bought CD and burn a new copy faster than you can down load it and it will be higher qaulity.
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 10:24:33 PM EDT
Hatch is a good guy most of the time... But he's been waffling back and forth WRT internet copyright... First, he sponsored the DMCA (which banned 'cracking' programs, even if used for legitimate purposes (like not having to put your CD in the drive to play your purchased game, or making backup copies in case of a scratched CD)... It also caused a headache for a norwegian kid who broke the copy protection on DVDs so that he could make his own DVD player software.... Then he made some pro-Napster statements... And finally he suggests remote-destroying people's PCs... Make up your mind, Hatch... P.S. Self destructing PCs would be self defeating... People who know enough to be targets would know enough to avoid the OS/hardware combos that support this...
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 10:30:38 PM EDT
This is a clone topic.. IBTL.
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 10:34:22 PM EDT
This would be cool if you want to get back at someone. Hey buddy, can I use your puter for a sec?
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 3:45:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86: This is a clone topic.. IBTL.
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no, it's not
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 4:03:04 AM EDT
He is getting a little crazy latey. It is pretty funny about his site. [:D]
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