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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:42:01 AM EDT
[#1]
If I get caught breaking the law, I go to jail, or face consequences.
Maybe the law doesn't mean anything to you, but the LEOs I live around like to enforce as many of them as possible. Except rounding up illegals. No time for that. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:44:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I get caught breaking the law, I go to jail, or face consequences. Maybe the law doesn't mean anything to you, but the LEOs I live around like to enforce as many of them as possible. Except rounding up illegals. No time for that. If millions don't then who are they going to arrest? |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:45:34 AM EDT
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Many of those CA gun laws have no effect on the California police, either active or retired. The recent set of gun laws CA's legislature wants to enact don't affect the legislature.
Classic and clear violations of the 14th Amendment and nobody cares. This is where the more equal complaints come from, these sorts of laws that apply to the subjects but not the rulers. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:45:45 AM EDT
[#4]
Everyman is guilty......just a matter of finding his crime.
Or something like that. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:46:01 AM EDT
[#5]
If I break the law are you going to arrest me OP?
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:46:51 AM EDT
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That's most likely what those sub-human crooks want to accomplish, a lawless nation pretty-much like those African banana-republics such as Somalia and alike where corruption and mediocrity is ingrained in each level of society. Don't forget the rabble layers they came from.
We cannot give up to that. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:49:03 AM EDT
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This is about power and corruption. If you don't want to follow a law, become powerful, then you don't have to obey the laws, you will be a truth maker, so you can determine what is legal for you and what isn't.
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:49:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many of those CA gun laws have no effect on the California police, either active or retired. The recent set of gun laws CA's legislature wants to enact don't affect the legislature. Classic and clear violations of the 14th Amendment and nobody cares. This is where the more equal complaints come from, these sorts of laws that apply to the subjects but not the rulers. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Prop 47 |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:49:54 AM EDT
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OP's logic is exactly what the black have been saying for decades. I hate to say it, but they're right about how the laws are not equally enforced. Against little people like ourselves, we feel the full weight of the law. Run a red light, get a ticket or rob a bank, you go to prison. Kiddie porn means prison. Avoid taxes, go to prison and have your stuff seized. Release government secrets as a small fish, go to prison.
Now, release government secrets as Sect. of State and you get a free pass. Steal over a billion dollars and no one touches you (John Corzine of MF Global). Rape a woman or sex with a kid via Jerry Saville, you get a free pass. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:50:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I break the law are you going to arrest me OP? |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:50:55 AM EDT
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If millions don't then who are they going to arrest? Political enemies. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:50:57 AM EDT
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The rule of law is no longer in effect for the premier upper class. You on the other hand are still subject to the King's edict. The bigger question is why federal or state LEOs tolerate the upper class behavior. Money? Power? Position? Or a desire to return home safely to their own family?
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:51:00 AM EDT
[#13]
Something to think about isn't it?
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:51:23 AM EDT
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With the way or country keeps going..... probably not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I break the law are you going to arrest me OP? Thank you for answering me directly. I have been asking the fundamental question that you're asking for some time and you're one of the very few who has answered directly and honestly. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:51:30 AM EDT
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The rule of law is no longer in effect for the premier upper class. You on the other hand are still subject to the King's edict. The bigger question is why federal or state LEOs tolerate the upper class behavior. Money? Power? Position? Or a desire to return home safely to their own family? Killer Dental plan. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:51:55 AM EDT
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Everyman is guilty......just a matter of finding his crime. Or something like that. Oh, I am breaking at least three laws I can think of while I'm sitting here waking up. When I get my clothes on I'll actively break a few more. I'm just saying, if everyone decided "fuck that", we'd be living in Colombia, or Brazil. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:53:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's most likely what those sub-human crooks want to accomplish, a lawless nation pretty-much like those African banana-republics such as Somalia and alike where corruption and mediocrity is ingrained in each level of society. Don't forget the rabble layers they came from. We cannot give up to that. You want freedom? So them who truly holds the power.
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." ~ Thomas Jefferson. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:54:10 AM EDT
[#18]
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If I get caught breaking the law, I go to jail, or face consequences. Maybe the law doesn't mean anything to you, but the LEOs I live around like to enforce as many of them as possible. Except rounding up illegals. No time for that. Illegal aliens > US citizens Didn't you get the memo? |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:56:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, I am breaking at least three laws I can think of while I'm sitting here waking up. When I get my clothes on I'll actively break a few more. I'm just saying, if everyone decided "fuck that", we'd be living in Colombia, or Brazil. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everyman is guilty......just a matter of finding his crime. Or something like that. Oh, I am breaking at least three laws I can think of while I'm sitting here waking up. When I get my clothes on I'll actively break a few more. I'm just saying, if everyone decided "fuck that", we'd be living in Colombia, or Brazil. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 9:57:44 AM EDT
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If one or two people don't follow the law then yes. If millions don't then who are they going to arrest? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I get caught breaking the law, I go to jail, or face consequences. Maybe the law doesn't mean anything to you, but the LEOs I live around like to enforce as many of them as possible. Except rounding up illegals. No time for that. If millions don't then who are they going to arrest? You going to assist in the release / rescue / escape of the first 100 arrested, or are they fucked ? |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:02:16 AM EDT
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People with nothing to lose may act differently than someone worried about paying bills / keeping a job.
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:02:57 AM EDT
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The rule of law is no longer in effect for the premier upper class. You on the other hand are still subject to the King's edict. The bigger question is why federal or state LEOs tolerate the upper class behavior. Money? Power? Position? Or a desire to return home safely to their own family? I think that it's because they still buy in to what America was vs the reality of what it is. Lots of people are making that same decision. No one wants the party to be over and with the TV and .edu pumping feels 24/7 the hordes aren't going to change anytime soon. At some point the issue won't be able to be hidden to the masses and then we are at another decision point. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:04:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People with nothing to lose may act differently than someone worried about paying bills / keeping a job. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:04:26 AM EDT
[#24]
Because there are hundreds of cops on arfcom that would love to arrest you.
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:06:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that it's because they still buy in to what America was vs the reality of what it is. Lots of people are making that same decision. No one wants the party to be over and with the TV and .edu pumping feels 24/7 the hordes aren't going to change anytime soon. At some point the issue won't be able to be hidden to the masses and then we are at another decision point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The rule of law is no longer in effect for the premier upper class. You on the other hand are still subject to the King's edict. The bigger question is why federal or state LEOs tolerate the upper class behavior. Money? Power? Position? Or a desire to return home safely to their own family? I think that it's because they still buy in to what America was vs the reality of what it is. Lots of people are making that same decision. No one wants the party to be over and with the TV and .edu pumping feels 24/7 the hordes aren't going to change anytime soon. At some point the issue won't be able to be hidden to the masses and then we are at another decision point. Yup..... Normalcy Bias. Look at folks that lived in Europe during WWII. Hise enslaved and killed by the Nazis constantly believed that it couldn't get any worse and right up to their death. They held that belief. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:06:55 AM EDT
[#26]
The high level criminals in our government have essentially bought themselves a stalemate by 60+ years of poor education and propaganda.
If we bust through this it'll be a miracle. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:07:15 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Many of those CA gun laws have no effect on the California police, either active or retired. The recent set of gun laws CA's legislature wants to enact don't affect the legislature. Classic and clear violations of the 14th Amendment and nobody cares. This is where the more equal complaints come from, these sorts of laws that apply to the subjects but not the rulers. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:07:32 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because there are hundreds of cops on arfcom that would love to arrest you. We are reaching a point where the rules of society are going to change. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:09:56 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I get caught breaking the law, I go to jail, or face consequences. Maybe the law doesn't mean anything to you, but the LEOs I live around like to enforce as many of them as possible. Except rounding up illegals. No time for that. Yup, not being a member of a protected class we face dire consequences for not abiding by the law. I have a home, a good job and a family. Agents of the Government would be more than happy to take all that away from me with brute force if necessary, so I have to follow the laws. "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose..." Janis Joplin |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:11:24 AM EDT
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It's easy to keep us bickering amoung ourselves, imagine what would happen if we did join forces. American religious and atheist, asians, hispanics, blacks, whites, inkies and pureskins. What a force. But no, it's easier to keep us seperated by our differences, that way, no one cares what .gov is doing. Mixing the population is causing more fighting amongst us than anything, that's why they won't enforce the immigration issue, look what a stir it has created not addressing it. Then they attack us with our sexual preferences, what a mess that created. To much fighting amoung us.
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:11:52 AM EDT
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Most of us are inherently good people. We have our own idiosyncrasies and a number of idiots, but for the most part, we believe in the rule of law. They don't.
We follow the law because it's the right thing to do, whether we like it or not. They only follow the law because if they don't, they go to jail. Another difference is the sheer self-centered narcissism on their part; they don't know the meaning of personal responsibility or self-sacrifice. Almost every one of us hates the biased media and the lies they spew, but we would fight to the death to defend their right to spout their opinions... However retarded they may be. Collectively, we haven't been pushed far enough to begin shooting back. Not yet, anyway. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:17:46 AM EDT
[#32]
Unless we can band together in such a way that we are no longer too small to resist, "they" will always win.
"They" don't have to follow the law because they are above it and know that the full force of the .fed won't be brought upon their heads. That is not the case for "the rest of us." "We" are too fractured to mount an effective political attack. Some of us like position x, some like position y instead of going with "the goal is no gun control (which is the correct position as any gun control is infringement and there are already laws against using guns illegally). Until we group up and start mounting legal attacks like NOLO is doing (fantastic man that guy is) and start getting our message out like the antis do (take the damn gloves off, this is a trench fight in the mud, not an esoteric battle of whits)....we will lose. We have to do a better job than the antis as our current regime is firmly in the camp of disarmament (for a totally different reason than the antis it is using). I agreed with your last thread, and this time is no different. If we want to win, we need to stand together instead of quibble about "the appropriate amount of gun control we allow to infringe on our rights" because any gun control is infringement and none of it does anything to curb violence. You want to stop gun control? Go look at how some of the other advocacy groups have garnered political power. MADD is a perfect example. They work locally, and since pro-gun control ("antis") have been working more on the state level as of late (since they realized that it wasn't happening on a fed level), that model is perfect. Also VCDL has done a very good job at making headway. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:18:02 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of us are inherently good people. We have our own idiosyncrasies and a number of idiots, but for the most part, we believe in the rule of law. They don't. We follow the law because it's the right thing to do, whether we like it or not. They only follow the law because if they don't, they go to jail. Another difference is the sheer self-centered narcissism on their part; they don't know the meaning of personal responsibility or self-sacrifice. Almost every one of us hates the biased media and the lies they spew, but we would fight to the death to defend their right to spout their opinions... However retarded they may be. Collectively, we haven't been pushed far enough to begin shooting back. Not yet, anyway. Malum in se is a Latin phrase meaning wrong or evil in itself. The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct. Mala prohibita (the singluar is malum prohibitum) is a term applied to any action is criminalized strictly by statute and statutory law. The phrase is Latin, and translates as wrong because it is prohibited. Honestly good people don't need words on paper telling them that theft, murder, rape, etc... is bad. Those in power control us through Mala Prohibita. Regulation, Edicts, and Policy. There is nothing naturally wrong with not registering a vehicle or having a rifle barrel under 16 inches. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:19:51 AM EDT
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A lot of it has to due to the way you were brought up. The majority including myself, were brought up in middle class homes were both parents worked, didn't partake in criminal activity and expected the same from their children. There are deviants, but those are the ones with drug problems and usually not that much at risk. The closest I've come is probably getting a speeding ticket or getting my license suspended for an accumulation of tickets when I was much younger.
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:21:38 AM EDT
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With the massive corruption taking place. Why are we; the Middle Class sti actually following the law? Between Hillary Clinton, Obama, Eric Holder, Louis Lerner, etc.... you have those on to that are too big to jail. On the bottom, same thing. Illegals, criminals, scumbags, etc.... can't jail them since they're poor impoverished oppressed minorities. They push more and more laws and edicts on us. MA's AG redefining what AWs are. CA going after more guns. DOS pushing ITAR on gun smiths. That's just the tip. Not even everything else. Laws, government edicts, constitutions, etc.... are all just words printed on paper. Nothing more and nothing less. What gives them strength and authority is the people consenting to them and the violence and threat of to enforce it. A prime example of folks not giving a fuck is drugs. Entire States have told the Fed that smoking dope is fine. All the while a Federal law is still on the books. Harder drugs like Coke, Crack, Meth, etc. .. still in common use by the people. We are at a point where the rule of law has no force. If top government officials can live their lives in a manner where laws don't affect them and the same for the under class of society. Then the middle class too can do the same. Government ony has authority when the people governed give it consent and follow the law. But if the people don't, then the laws mean nothing. "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ~ Robert A. Heinlein Live you life as you see fit. Why ? Because people like you come and use force against me, deprive me of freedom if I don't. Then you say you were "just doing my job". |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:22:37 AM EDT
[#36]
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If one or two people don't follow the law then yes. If millions don't then who are they going to arrest? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I get caught breaking the law, I go to jail, or face consequences. Maybe the law doesn't mean anything to you, but the LEOs I live around like to enforce as many of them as possible. Except rounding up illegals. No time for that. If millions don't then who are they going to arrest? Yeah but before it becomes a few million they throw them in jail and that generally dissuades the majority. I'm not violating NFA laws then using Hillary as my defense. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:22:51 AM EDT
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Amd if thousands upon thousands of people said fuck it.... what could those hundreds do? We are reaching a point where the rules of society are going to change. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because there are hundreds of cops on arfcom that would love to arrest you. We are reaching a point where the rules of society are going to change. Get more cops and start arresting/ shooting people. Law Enforcement in this country will always side with the government. The law is the law and their pension are more important than some nobodies rights. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:23:28 AM EDT
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Most laws are good, examples are traffic law and laws against murder and robbery, but many laws are meant to protect government rather than the people examples are gun laws and IRS laws. Yes there are laws that should be broken and laws that should not, those that should be broken should not be on the books. One should look at this and wonder where to start and how would one make what one did count. It is only hopeless it one do nothing.
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:26:45 AM EDT
[#39]
I can assure you that the law does matter. My neighbor recently received a ticket from a fresh out of the academy LEO
officer for not having his little 5'x8' trailer inspected. The Judge who heard the case was a retired NYS Trooper (30 years) said that he had never issued such a ticket, but it was a law on the books and he had to stand with the officer. Oh, and I live in a town of 2,000 with one light. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:30:16 AM EDT
[#40]
Unfortunately the law can be broken at the highest extremes and you won't serve a single day in jail if you have wealth and can afford the best lawyers eg; Hilery, O.J., Kennedys etc.
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:37:40 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get more cops and start arresting/ shooting people. Law Enforcement in this country will always side with the government. The law is the law and their pension are more important than some nobodies rights. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because there are hundreds of cops on arfcom that would love to arrest you. We are reaching a point where the rules of society are going to change. Get more cops and start arresting/ shooting people. Law Enforcement in this country will always side with the government. The law is the law and their pension are more important than some nobodies rights. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:44:52 AM EDT
[#42]
OP is looking for job security ITT.
No thank you Officer, I will not be breaking any laws today. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:45:19 AM EDT
[#43]
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Because there are hundreds of cops on arfcom that would love to arrest you. Not I, honestly. As to OP, I have pondering on this same idea myself..... |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:45:35 AM EDT
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I just wish there were as many tax breaks and loopholes available to regular middle class people as there are to the elite.
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:46:51 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can assure you that the law does matter. My neighbor recently received a ticket from a fresh out of the academy LEO officer for not having his little 5'x8' trailer inspected. The Judge who heard the case was a retired NYS Trooper (30 years) said that he had never issued such a ticket, but it was a law on the books and he had to stand with the officer. Oh, and I live in a town of 2,000 with one light. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:48:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just wish there were as many tax breaks and loopholes available to regular middle class people as there are to the elite. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:50:30 AM EDT
[#47]
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Many of those CA gun laws have no effect on the California police, either active or retired. The recent set of gun laws CA's legislature wants to enact don't affect the legislature. Classic and clear violations of the 14th Amendment and nobody cares. This is where the more equal complaints come from, these sorts of laws that apply to the subjects but not the rulers. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Yes, yes, yes, peasant, but that amendment does not mention rulers, law makers or government officials. That amendment is for the "little people". |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:50:41 AM EDT
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I have a moral compass....do the right thing.
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:51:30 AM EDT
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OP, the people at the very bottom may believe that they have little or nothing to lose. If they get arrested they lose an $8/hour job somewhere and they know they can get another.
People at the top like FHRC are so seldom prosecuted for any crime that it is a non-issue. If they are they can usually afford top lawyers. Their defense lawyers and themselves often went to school with the judge and prosecutor. That leave the people in the middle, who have worked hard for what they have, including their career or business, so they have a lot to lose. At the same time the people in the middle usually can't afford the top defense lawyers. They don't personally know the judge or prosecutor. Basically, people in the middle have the most to lose relative to what they have and they have the fewest surplus resources to defend themselves. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 10:51:34 AM EDT
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OP, the Rule of Law made America a civilization, and ultimately the greatest nation on Earth.
Those that are ruining this nation are ignoring it, but I will not. Returning to the Rule of Law will make America great again. |
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