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9/10/2016 9:19:56 AM EDT
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"Virgin Galactic’s new SpaceShipTwo, VSS Unity, flew a first trial Thursday as the company continues to develop the newest version of its space-tourism vehicle. Virgin Galactic called the test, which lasted 3 hours and 43 minutes, a “captive carry” trial, during which the WhiteKnightTwo aircraft carried the space vehicle throughout the flight to monitor performance.

Two test pilots were on board SpaceShipTwo, while WhiteKnightTwo (named VMS Eve) had a crew of two pilots and a flight test engineer, according to the company's Web site. WhiteKnightTwo is designed to carry SpaceShipTwo to about 50,000 feet, where the space vehicle will detach from the carrier and launch into space with a rocket engine."

9/10/2016 9:22:52 AM EDT
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Meh, with all the stuff spacex is doing these guy's suborbital stunts pail in comparison.
9/10/2016 9:31:15 AM EDT
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Done with private money. Not billions in Tax payer dollars. How many have crashed? I think one, not positive. Once, selling, will pave way for further (deeper) space.
9/10/2016 9:33:19 AM EDT
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Done with private money. Not billions in Tax payer dollars. How many have crashed? I think one, not positive. Once, selling, will pave way for further (deeper) space.


This.
9/10/2016 9:42:18 AM EDT
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Done with private money. Not billions in Tax payer dollars. How many have crashed? I think one, not positive. Once, selling, will pave way for further (deeper) space.
They've all crashed.  



And yes, it was one.
9/10/2016 9:43:48 AM EDT
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Yeah, he hasn't made quite the spark that SpaceX has.

9/10/2016 10:06:42 AM EDT
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Wow.  Virgin Galactic is still a thing?
9/10/2016 10:12:18 AM EDT
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Done with private money. Not billions in Tax payer dollars. How many have crashed? I think one, not positive. Once, selling, will pave way for further (deeper) space.


This.


Their suborbital design won't be able to compete in the long run, spacex has a huge lead already, they're already 1/2 to a third the cost of the ULA, and that's before reusability.

never mind spaceX's falcon heavy is likely to launch in the next 6 to 9 months,  and will lower the cost even further. worse yet, by the time virgin Galatic comes up with an orbital  design, space x will likely have their next rocket, the  MCT (or BFR as some have called it) ready, which will dramatically lower costs, mid to low hundreds of dollars per pound to orbit, it all depends on how times the engines can be reused.
9/10/2016 10:14:36 AM EDT
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"Virgin Galactic’s new SpaceShipTwo, VSS Unity, flew a first trial Thursday as the company continues to develop the newest version of its space-tourism vehicle. Virgin Galactic called the test, which lasted 3 hours and 43 minutes, a "captive carry” trial, during which the WhiteKnightTwo aircraft carried the space vehicle throughout the flight to monitor performance.
Two test pilots were on board SpaceShipTwo, while WhiteKnightTwo (named VMS Eve) had a crew of two pilots and a flight test engineer, according to the company's Web site. WhiteKnightTwo is designed to carry SpaceShipTwo to about 50,000 feet, where the space vehicle will detach from the carrier and launch into space with a rocket engine."
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You mean drop like a rock for what seems like (at the time, most likely) the rest of your remaining life?  NO FUCKING THANK YOU.



 









This looks like loads of fun



9/10/2016 10:14:41 AM EDT
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Their suborbital design won't be able to compete in the long run, spacex has a huge lead already, they're already 1/2 to a third the cost of the ULA, and that's before reusability.

never mind spaceX's falcon heavy is likely to launch in the next 6 to 9 months,  and will lower the cost even further. worse yet, by the time virgin Galatic comes up with an orbital  design, space x will likely have their next rocket, the  MCT (or BFR as some have called it) ready, which will dramatically lower costs, mid to low hundreds of dollars per pound to orbit, it all depends on how times the engines can be reused.
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Done with private money. Not billions in Tax payer dollars. How many have crashed? I think one, not positive. Once, selling, will pave way for further (deeper) space.


This.


Their suborbital design won't be able to compete in the long run, spacex has a huge lead already, they're already 1/2 to a third the cost of the ULA, and that's before reusability.

never mind spaceX's falcon heavy is likely to launch in the next 6 to 9 months,  and will lower the cost even further. worse yet, by the time virgin Galatic comes up with an orbital  design, space x will likely have their next rocket, the  MCT (or BFR as some have called it) ready, which will dramatically lower costs, mid to low hundreds of dollars per pound to orbit, it all depends on how times the engines can be reused.


All theoretical. Lets see the fire come out of the right end first.
9/10/2016 1:45:42 PM EDT
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Done with private money. Not billions in Tax payer dollars. How many have crashed? I think one, not positive. Once, selling, will pave way for further (deeper) space.


This.


Their suborbital design won't be able to compete in the long run, spacex has a huge lead already, they're already 1/2 to a third the cost of the ULA, and that's before reusability.

never mind spaceX's falcon heavy is likely to launch in the next 6 to 9 months,  and will lower the cost even further. worse yet, by the time virgin Galatic comes up with an orbital  design, space x will likely have their next rocket, the  MCT (or BFR as some have called it) ready, which will dramatically lower costs, mid to low hundreds of dollars per pound to orbit, it all depends on how times the engines can be reused.


All theoretical. Lets see the fire come out of the right end first.


Oh, the game of unbelief, okay then Which company should you believe in? The company that has a blown up half of the rockets they've made (which is a stunning 2) or the company that's blown up two out of more than twenty? Which do you think will win over the competition?
9/10/2016 1:47:34 PM EDT
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You mean drop like a rock for what seems like (at the time, most likely) the rest of your remaining life?  NO FUCKING THANK YOU.  





This looks like loads of fun
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"Virgin Galactic’s new SpaceShipTwo, VSS Unity, flew a first trial Thursday as the company continues to develop the newest version of its space-tourism vehicle. Virgin Galactic called the test, which lasted 3 hours and 43 minutes, a "captive carry” trial, during which the WhiteKnightTwo aircraft carried the space vehicle throughout the flight to monitor performance.

Two test pilots were on board SpaceShipTwo, while WhiteKnightTwo (named VMS Eve) had a crew of two pilots and a flight test engineer, according to the company's Web site. WhiteKnightTwo is designed to carry SpaceShipTwo to about 50,000 feet, where the space vehicle will detach from the carrier and launch into space with a rocket engine."

http://cdn.avweb.com/media/newspics/325/p1as6bqkaarb41enqugjgfn148d6.jpg
You mean drop like a rock for what seems like (at the time, most likely) the rest of your remaining life?  NO FUCKING THANK YOU.  





This looks like loads of fun
https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Ot3isdhoRBouYAE/giphy.gif


Fuck yeah it does
9/10/2016 1:51:25 PM EDT
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Oh, the game of unbelief, okay then Which company should you believe in? The company that has a blown up half of the rockets they've made (which is a stunning 2) or the company that's blown up two out of more than twenty? Which do you think will win over the competition?

The one that I work for is the best, silly.
9/10/2016 2:22:19 PM EDT
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Oh, the game of unbelief, okay then Which company should you believe in? The company that has a blown up half of the rockets they've made (which is a stunning 2) or the company that's blown up two out of more than twenty? Which do you think will win over the competition?

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Ah, I should of figured we were playing "I win"
9/10/2016 2:41:43 PM EDT
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Oh, the game of unbelief, okay then Which company should you believe in? The company that has a blown up half of the rockets they've made (which is a stunning 2) or the company that's blown up two out of more than twenty? Which do you think will win over the competition?

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Probably the one that kills the lest amount of people, but then again SpaceX has yet to haul human cargo.
And that's a good thing since they can't even figure out why their rocket blew up on the pad without even firing the engines.
9/10/2016 2:57:04 PM EDT
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Done with private money. Not billions in Tax payer dollars. How many have crashed? I think one, not positive. Once, selling, will pave way for further (deeper) space.

Killed 3 injured 3
9/10/2016 5:53:17 PM EDT
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You cannot compare this vehicle with SpaceX.

This is for space tourism.  Flights are not orbital.

SpaceX delivers spacecraft and planned man-rated spacecraft to orbit.
9/11/2016 10:31:29 AM EDT
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If you can ferry settelers to colonize Mars (their goal) then you can ferry tourists.

It's only a matter of when.
9/11/2016 10:40:44 AM EDT
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If you can ferry settelers to colonize Mars (their goal) then you can ferry tourists.

It's only a matter of when.
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This is for space tourism.  Flights are not orbital.

SpaceX delivers spacecraft and planned man-rated spacecraft to orbit.


If you can ferry settelers to colonize Mars (their goal) then you can ferry tourists.

It's only a matter of when.


Once SpaceX develops a working man-rated capsule they could.  Will they do it?  What is the cost of a launch and several days on-orbit?   $60 million?

$80 million?

Now imagine that the Dragon capsule holds seven people (might be a bit higher).

Allow for two SpaceX pilots and you have five paying customers.

$90 million/5 is $18 million a piece.

The suborbital mission is roughly $250,000.

Which will get more people?  That assumes that SpaceX wants to tackle tourism flights.
9/11/2016 10:44:36 AM EDT
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Once SpaceX develops a working man-rated capsule they could.  Will they do it?  What is the cost of a launch and several days on-orbit?   $60 million?

$80 million?

Now imagine that the Dragon capsule holds seven people (might be a bit higher).

Allow for two SpaceX pilots and you have five paying customers.

$90 million/5 is $18 million a piece.

The suborbital mission is roughly $250,000.

Which will get more people?  That assumes that SpaceX wants to tackle tourism flights.
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You cannot compare this vehicle with SpaceX.

This is for space tourism.  Flights are not orbital.

SpaceX delivers spacecraft and planned man-rated spacecraft to orbit.


If you can ferry settelers to colonize Mars (their goal) then you can ferry tourists.

It's only a matter of when.


Once SpaceX develops a working man-rated capsule they could.  Will they do it?  What is the cost of a launch and several days on-orbit?   $60 million?

$80 million?

Now imagine that the Dragon capsule holds seven people (might be a bit higher).

Allow for two SpaceX pilots and you have five paying customers.

$90 million/5 is $18 million a piece.

The suborbital mission is roughly $250,000.

Which will get more people?  That assumes that SpaceX wants to tackle tourism flights.


SpaceX can't do manned flight for anywhere close to the cost of these little rockets. Their whole business philosophy will have to be drastically altered to get manned flight ratings and I don't know if they could survive it as a company.
9/11/2016 10:47:21 AM EDT
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SpaceX has been approached by Bob Bigelow.

Bigelow owns the inflatable space habitat patents, two Bigelow inflatable habs are orbiting Earth right now, and a third is attached to the ISS.

So SpaceX might be ferrying people to and from Bigelow's space hotel(s).
9/11/2016 11:48:59 AM EDT
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I am not in on SpaceX plans but my understanding is that they are working on the Dragon capsule to carry people.  I am also assuming that man-rating the Falcon 9 (or Heavy) was always planned so that may not be a huge barrier to achieve.
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I am not in on SpaceX plans but my understanding is that they are working on the Dragon capsule to carry people.  I am also assuming that man-rating the Falcon 9 (or Heavy) was always planned so that may not be a huge barrier to achieve.
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SpaceX can't do manned flight for anywhere close to the cost of these little rockets. Their whole business philosophy will have to be drastically altered to get manned flight ratings and I don't know if they could survive it as a company.


I am not in on SpaceX plans but my understanding is that they are working on the Dragon capsule to carry people.  I am also assuming that man-rating the Falcon 9 (or Heavy) was always planned so that may not be a huge barrier to achieve.


"may not be a huge barrier to achieve"

You have no idea.

Everything from the building, supply chain, to the last nut, bolt, rivet, as well as the personnel training and testing. Inspection and quality control with government oversight.

Pair all that with the laid back attitude and things will have to change drastically. Can it be done?  Absolutely. Will it be easy?  Absolutely not.
9/11/2016 12:24:27 PM EDT
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FPNI
9/11/2016 12:39:33 PM EDT
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They were hot stuff a decade ago.  Now they hold on to a useless program.
9/11/2016 1:14:29 PM EDT
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You cannot compare this vehicle with SpaceX.

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9/11/2016 1:17:39 PM EDT
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Meh, with all the stuff spacex is doing these guy's suborbital stunts pail in comparison.

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9/11/2016 1:18:50 PM EDT
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You mean drop like a rock for what seems like (at the time, most likely) the rest of your remaining life?  NO FUCKING THANK YOU.  





This looks like loads of fun
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"Virgin Galactic’s new SpaceShipTwo, VSS Unity, flew a first trial Thursday as the company continues to develop the newest version of its space-tourism vehicle. Virgin Galactic called the test, which lasted 3 hours and 43 minutes, a "captive carry” trial, during which the WhiteKnightTwo aircraft carried the space vehicle throughout the flight to monitor performance.

Two test pilots were on board SpaceShipTwo, while WhiteKnightTwo (named VMS Eve) had a crew of two pilots and a flight test engineer, according to the company's Web site. WhiteKnightTwo is designed to carry SpaceShipTwo to about 50,000 feet, where the space vehicle will detach from the carrier and launch into space with a rocket engine."

http://cdn.avweb.com/media/newspics/325/p1as6bqkaarb41enqugjgfn148d6.jpg
You mean drop like a rock for what seems like (at the time, most likely) the rest of your remaining life?  NO FUCKING THANK YOU.  





This looks like loads of fun
https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Ot3isdhoRBouYAE/giphy.gif



You wouldn't have liked being an X-15 pilot....


9/11/2016 1:21:21 PM EDT
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They've all crashed.  



And yes, it was one.

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Done with private money. Not billions in Tax payer dollars. How many have crashed? I think one, not positive. Once, selling, will pave way for further (deeper) space.
They've all crashed.  



And yes, it was one.





 
Nope.  SpaceShipOne did not crash.