[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The Lucifer Effect (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 9/6/2016 7:38:57 PM EDT
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A good explanation on how people go bad and possibly a good reason why liberals, communists, socialists, and other totalitarians in history are the way they are.
BLUF: Power corrupts Anyone read the book? I've heard it's good and I might pick it up. ETA: Removed video due to graphic content. It still none the less was a good one if you wish to seek it out on your own and worth watching. ETA 2: Amazon Book Link |
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Mindlessly taking the first small step
Dehumanization of others De-individuation of self (anonymity) Diffusion of personal responsibility Blind obedience to authority Uncritical conformity to group norms From wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zimbardo |
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A good explanation on how people go bad and possibly a good reason why liberals, communists, socialists, and other totalitarians in history are the way they are. BLUF: Power corrupts Anyone read the book? I've heard it's good and I might pick it up. ETA: Removed video due to graphic content. It still none the less was a good one if you wish to seek it out on your own and worth watching. Whats the link? |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? I'd like to know whether or not I should block you. |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy.   Kind of an odd duck aren't you?
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Are you joking, or are you an idiot? I'd like to know whether or not I should block you. Quoted:
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? I'd like to know whether or not I should block you. I put him on ignore just to be sure. That level of fail has to be serious. |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. |
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Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. Quoted:
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. And you're gone.................. |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Kind of an odd duck aren't you?His post history has been erratic even by GD standards in recent weeks. |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Lucifer is okay with sodomizing young boys. I know who lucifer is... |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Your post count is wrong. It should be 5150. |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Someone hasn't read Milton. |
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Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. Quoted:
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. 
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. And you're gone.................. Same here. Huh, funny if you re-arrange the letters of his name, and add a little line to the c, it says . . . SATAN! |
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Quoted: Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. No, that's not accurate. Lucifer should have known that dooming himself into eternal punishment would be a pointless exercise that brought him only suffering. He was a being that was made too intelligent to fit comfortably in his environment. He went insane. God only kept him around as a foil for his next attempt at life, and maybe for entertainment or for a reminder of what not to do next time. |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Nice to see you stating your case so plainly. |
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I'm surprised Fox hasn't made that into a game show yet. |
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Quoted: Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. You should try and pay attention to what the myth actually says before putting your interpretation to it. |
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Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant innocent and enslaved pure; Man condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; As a result of Man's behavior, God destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate deceive and enlighten destroy mankind. Quoted:
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant innocent and enslaved pure; Man condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; As a result of Man's behavior, God destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate deceive and enlighten destroy mankind. FIFY, and BTW...."click" |
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Bought the book a year ago or so. I like the used books in the criminal justice section and this sort of fits in with some of that. I like low level psychology stuff as well. This book is referenced so much it is just something I sort of wanted to hold in my hands and read myself. It is one I will read again as well. I have tried watching some of the videos and stuff and tried a few times before buying the book. I do better with a book. |
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Mixing theology and politics is not a good thing, no matter who does it. I would be very hesitant to brand policies as "evil," short of genocide. evil is typically regarded as breaking one or more widely-regarded social taboos and many current groups use policies (some formal, others are social) that are regarded as strong taboos, a few for instance: killing children, torture, mutilation, and rape |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. http://66.media.tumblr.com/f3a5c37914dd5f4b6aafd0f92f54d553/tumblr_o8ewbiCfnD1vw2l4io1_500.gif Jacob? 
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I'm not at all hesitant to brand liberalism as evil. All liberal tenets are pure evil. Quoted:
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Mixing theology and politics is not a good thing, no matter who does it. I would be very hesitant to brand policies as "evil," short of genocide. I'm not at all hesitant to brand liberalism as evil. All liberal tenets are pure evil. Which is why I lumped a way of thinking in with others who think along those same lines to impose their will. The result becomes the same and the process that leads to it is the same. |
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. http://66.media.tumblr.com/f3a5c37914dd5f4b6aafd0f92f54d553/tumblr_o8ewbiCfnD1vw2l4io1_500.gif Jacob?
Wrong show. 
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I'm not at all hesitant to brand liberalism as evil. All liberal tenets are pure evil. Quoted:
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Mixing theology and politics is not a good thing, no matter who does it. I would be very hesitant to brand policies as "evil," short of genocide. I'm not at all hesitant to brand liberalism as evil. All liberal tenets are pure evil. That's just as silly as the other guy everyone quoted. |
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FIFY, and BTW...."click" Quoted:
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant innocent and enslaved pure; Man condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; As a result of Man's behavior, God destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate deceive and enlighten destroy mankind. FIFY, and BTW...."click" Ignorance is bliss? You didn't make a good argument. Saying that ignorant people are innocent proved his point more than your own |
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Ignorance is bliss? You didn't make a good argument. Saying that ignorant people are innocent proved his point more than your own Quoted:
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant innocent and enslaved pure; Man condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; As a result of Man's behavior, God destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate deceive and enlighten destroy mankind. FIFY, and BTW...."click" Ignorance is bliss? You didn't make a good argument. Saying that ignorant people are innocent proved his point more than your own He didn't say that ignorant people are innocent. He said that God doesn't want to keep people ignorant, He wants to keep people innocent. Try reading the words. |
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He didn't say that ignorant people are innocent. He said that God doesn't want to keep people ignorant, He wants to keep people innocent. Try reading the words. Quoted:
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Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant innocent and enslaved pure; Man condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; As a result of Man's behavior, God destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate deceive and enlighten destroy mankind. FIFY, and BTW...."click" Ignorance is bliss? You didn't make a good argument. Saying that ignorant people are innocent proved his point more than your own He didn't say that ignorant people are innocent. He said that God doesn't want to keep people ignorant, He wants to keep people innocent. Try reading the words. 
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant innocent and enslaved pure; Man condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; As a result of Man's behavior, God destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate deceive and enlighten destroy mankind. FIFY, and BTW...."click" Since you admit that God inflicted plagues and famines on mankind, instigated wars between different groups of humans, and mercilessly slaughtered countless numbers of defenseless men, women, children, and babies, you confirmed my earlier comment. |
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Well. We seem to have had a deeply philosophical debate like I hoped.  Quoted:
Well. We seem to have had a deeply philosophical debate like I hoped. You wrote: A good explanation on how people go bad and possibly a good reason why liberals, communists, socialists, and other totalitarians in history are the way they are.
BLUF: Power corrupts What is there to debate?
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Same here. Huh, funny if you re-arrange the letters of his name, and add a little line to the c, it says . . . SATAN! Quoted:
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant and enslaved; condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate and enlighten mankind. And you're gone.................. Same here. Huh, funny if you re-arrange the letters of his name, and add a little line to the c, it says . . . SATAN! Heh, heh. If you think that's funny, you oughta love this: Most people pronounce my last name as . . . CHRIST! 
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Just calling it the way I see it. God: Wanted to keep mankind ignorant innocent and enslaved pure; Man condemned all of mankind to a life of pain and suffering; caused plagues and famines; instigated wars; As a result of Man's behavior, God destroyed entire cities and their inhabitants; drowned virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth. Lucifer: Sought to educate deceive and enlighten destroy mankind. FIFY, and BTW...."click" Saying man did it or that god did it because of man is like saying a victim of rape raped herself. Or it's like in lots of movies where the bad guy has a gun to someone's head and tells the good guy, "this person's death is your fault, good guy! *bang*" |
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Are you joking, or are you an idiot? I'd like to know whether or not I should block you. Quoted:
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Misleading title. Since the subject is about power corrupting, and engaging in torture, murder, etc, it should be called "The God Effect." Lucifer rebelled against a ruthless, genocidal tyrant. Lucifer was the first good guy. Are you joking, or are you an idiot? I'd like to know whether or not I should block you. 
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