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8/28/2016 12:57:42 AM EDT
I've been bouncing this theory around for awhile now and based off what I've seems around me, I think I'm right. Remember intelligence and knowledge aren't the same thing. It is my belief that can not become any more intelligent than when they are born, they just gain more knowledge to utilize this intelligence. I.e the more intelligent people will do the work faster while obtaining the same grade than the less intelligent person. This is something I noticed in school and the work place. What do y'all think?
8/28/2016 12:59:03 AM EDT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil
8/28/2016 1:00:47 AM EDT
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How many thread will it be tonight?

Go to bed kid.
8/28/2016 1:01:43 AM EDT
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Yes, your brain is much like a muscle, in that the more your read and deal with the cognitive pain associated with complex matters, the more your brain adapts and "grows".  Synaptic connections and shit - yo.  Just make sure you consume enough DHA and similar oils, to help fuel the fire.
8/28/2016 1:02:30 AM EDT
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I don't know that intelligence can be improved, but I do know that intelligence levels as observed by a third party can vary wildly



Outside factors can affect how intelligence is utilized, which can give the appearance of a reduction or increase.
8/28/2016 1:07:42 AM EDT
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Potential intelligence is genetic.

You can lose quite a bit of it due to environmental factors, particularly in childhood.
8/28/2016 1:09:12 AM EDT
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Is that what happened to me?
8/28/2016 1:10:39 AM EDT
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Maybe a little bit, but it's a mute point anyway.    Pure intelligence is hard to quantify.    Is it problem solving?  

Learning new tasks?        Rote memory?        Attention to detail?     Creativity?          Repeatable precision?  

Lots of geniuses are plenty dumb, and plenty of normal people are highly accomplished.  


To succeed,  You need above average, motivation, self discipline, perseverance, and yes, intelligence.  In that order.
8/28/2016 1:11:18 AM EDT
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I've been bouncing this theory around for awhile now and based off what I've seems around me, I think I'm right. Remember intelligence and knowledge aren't the same thing. It is my belief that can not become any more intelligent than when they are born, they just gain more knowledge to utilize this intelligence. I.e the more intelligent people will do the work faster while obtaining the same grade than the less intelligent person. This is something I noticed in school and the work place. What do y'all think?
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You say that knowledge is not that same thing as intelligence yet the still coincide. Those that are intelligent are not Naturally knowledgeable and same goes the other way. For the work I do I am very knowledgeable yet I also know a lot of other things that most wouldn't even think I would know. I have a lot of knowledge on on lot of subjects yet I do not have full knowledge on one specific subject. Now in grade school and college I know I didn't preform like I should have because age as taught me I was bored with it. Back then I couldn't tell you why I didn't pay attention. Now I know it was because I was bored. Although I should go back to school to finish out a few hours for a degree yet I just do not want to because I know I will be bored from listening to someone and just sitting there listening to them. And I know that is just me.
8/28/2016 1:29:45 AM EDT
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IQ (more properly g) is fairly constant, assuming the person isn't eating lead paint chips or something. Even with as big of a change in environment as being adopted at birth the IQ of the adopted is quite close to those of the biological parents rather than the adoptive parents. No one has found a way to move the needle by a lot.

People can certainly acquire more skills and knowledge with a given IQ. Someone with an IQ of 100 and a solid high school education is better skilled than someone with an IQ of 100 that dropped out.
8/28/2016 1:33:53 AM EDT
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The trivium method.

Plus some Noopept had a pretty dramatic effect on my intelligence.

"How I stopped being a militant socialist idiot and so can you."
8/28/2016 1:39:01 AM EDT
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No. It's spelling ability.
8/28/2016 1:40:45 AM EDT
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The trivium method.

Plus some Noopept had a pretty dramatic effect on my intelligence.

"How I stopped being a militant socialist idiot and so can you."
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8/28/2016 1:44:20 AM EDT
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Maybe a little bit, but it's a mute point anyway.    Pure intelligence is hard to quantify.    Is it problem solving?  



Learning new tasks?        Rote memory?        Attention to detail?     Creativity?          Repeatable precision?  



Lots of geniuses are plenty dumb, and plenty of normal people are highly accomplished.  





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Moot point.




This kind of spelling mistake happens to people who listen to speech more than they read. People who read more than listen make pronunciation mistakes more often than spelling mistakes.
8/28/2016 1:50:10 AM EDT
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This kind of spelling mistake happens to people who listen to speech more than they read. People who read more than listen make pronunciation mistakes more often than spelling mistakes.
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Maybe a little bit, but it's a mute point anyway.    Pure intelligence is hard to quantify.    Is it problem solving?  

Learning new tasks?        Rote memory?        Attention to detail?     Creativity?          Repeatable precision?  

Lots of geniuses are plenty dumb, and plenty of normal people are highly accomplished.  


To succeed,  You need above average, motivation, self discipline, perseverance, and yes, intelligence.  In that order.

  Moot point.


This kind of spelling mistake happens to people who listen to speech more than they read. People who read more than listen make pronunciation mistakes more often than spelling mistakes.


Congratulations!     You're on the spectrum.  


It was a play on words and I even left a little hint, that a person of normal intelligence would be certain to pick up on.      Go back and look at it again.     See if you can figgur it out.  
8/28/2016 1:53:42 AM EDT
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The Aspies are what make this place so wonderful.                        I love you guys.   No homo.  
8/28/2016 2:02:38 AM EDT
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The trivium method.

Plus some Noopept had a pretty dramatic effect on my intelligence.

"How I stopped being a militant socialist idiot and so can you."




What, you don't think this site has a few socialist idiots
8/28/2016 2:13:07 AM EDT
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No. It's spelling ability.



The Aspies are what make this place so wonderful.                        I love you guys.   No homo.  


You suck at word play.
8/28/2016 2:17:12 AM EDT
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Congratulations!     You're on the spectrum.  

It was a play on words and I even left a little hint, that a person of normal intelligence would be certain to pick up on.      Go back and look at it again.     See if you can figgur it out.
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Maybe a little bit, but it's a mute point anyway.    Pure intelligence is hard to quantify.    Is it problem solving?  

Learning new tasks?        Rote memory?        Attention to detail?     Creativity?          Repeatable precision?  

Lots of geniuses are plenty dumb, and plenty of normal people are highly accomplished.  

To succeed,  You need above average, motivation, self discipline, perseverance, and yes, intelligence.  In that order.

  Moot point.

This kind of spelling mistake happens to people who listen to speech more than they read. People who read more than listen make pronunciation mistakes more often than spelling mistakes.

Congratulations!     You're on the spectrum.  

It was a play on words and I even left a little hint, that a person of normal intelligence would be certain to pick up on.      Go back and look at it again.     See if you can figgur it out.

Pretty poor play on words, actually. But, apparently you have convinced yourself that it's clever.
8/28/2016 2:18:32 AM EDT
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No. It's spelling ability.

The Aspies are what make this place so wonderful.                        I love you guys.   No homo.  

You suck at word play.

Seriously.
8/28/2016 2:20:31 AM EDT
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No. It's spelling ability.

The Aspies are what make this place so wonderful.                        I love you guys.   No homo.  

You suck at word play.

Seriously.


It's like hunting over bait.
8/28/2016 2:40:34 AM EDT
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No. It's spelling ability.

The Aspies are what make this place so wonderful.                        I love you guys.   No homo.  

You suck at word play.

Seriously.


It's like hunting over bait.


No no no.

Word play is witty. It's clever because it draws on semantic or phonological connections whose discovery necessitates creativity and rhetorical intuition. It's a form of narrative, like epigram. It has style, like satire.

You just italicized a word and it's dated synonym.
8/28/2016 2:45:19 AM EDT
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No no no.

Word play is witty. It's clever because it draws on semantic or phonological connections whose discovery necessitates creativity and rhetorical intuition. It's a form of narrative, like epigram. It has style, like satire.

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The Aspies are what make this place so wonderful.                        I love you guys.   No homo.  

You suck at word play.



It's like hunting over bait.


No no no.

Word play is witty. It's clever because it draws on semantic or phonological connections whose discovery necessitates creativity and rhetorical intuition. It's a form of narrative, like epigram. It has style, like satire.

You just italicized a word and it's dated synonym.



8/28/2016 3:01:18 AM EDT
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The Aspies are what make this place so wonderful.                        I love you guys.   No homo.  

You suck at word play.



It's like hunting over bait.


No no no.

Word play is witty. It's clever because it draws on semantic or phonological connections whose discovery necessitates creativity and rhetorical intuition. It's a form of narrative, like epigram. It has style, like satire.

You just italicized a word and it's dated synonym.





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8/28/2016 3:16:57 AM EDT
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No idea.

Possible to get dumber though.

As a teen (some twenty years ago) I had a remarkable vocabulary and was a pretty rock solid chess player.

These days I use "fuck" as a comma and couldn't get a double king in checkers if offered money.
8/28/2016 3:31:49 AM EDT
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Take a kid with an IQ of 100 and give him a $1,000,000 education and when you get done he will have an IQ close to 100.





Also ....intelligence is kinda like athletic ability, it doesn't fall far from the tree either


 
8/28/2016 4:19:03 AM EDT
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iq-scores-not-accurate-marker-of-intelligence-study-shows/
8/28/2016 9:11:12 AM EDT
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I read a study once that said a person's IQ would improve tremendously if the child lived in a dysfunctional home because that child is constantly trying to figure out what the hell's going on.
8/28/2016 9:42:35 AM EDT
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iq-scores-not-accurate-marker-of-intelligence-study-shows/


Complete nonsense.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0117295

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1998generalintelligencefactor.pdf
8/28/2016 9:58:21 AM EDT
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You can improve knowledge, and wisdom.  Not intelligence.
8/28/2016 10:11:40 AM EDT
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I've been bouncing this theory around for awhile now and based off what I've seems around me, I think I'm right. Remember intelligence and knowledge aren't the same thing. It is my belief that can not become any more intelligent than when they are born, they just gain more knowledge to utilize this intelligence. I.e the more intelligent people will do the work faster while obtaining the same grade than the less intelligent person. This is something I noticed in school and the work place. What do y'all think?
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Well...yeah.

When they report on the intelligence of the presidents, the Democrats get an automatic 40 to 50 point boost....
8/28/2016 10:16:10 AM EDT
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Tough call. You can bounce knowledge off of stupid people, but truly intelligent people will be receptive to new facts and ideas.
8/28/2016 10:24:54 AM EDT
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IQ (more properly g) is fairly constant, assuming the person isn't eating lead paint chips or something. Even with as big of a change in environment as being adopted at birth the IQ of the adopted is quite close to those of the biological parents rather than the adoptive parents. No one has found a way to move the needle by a lot.

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This.  Also, as Ron White says...

"Guys, dont marry for beauty alone. You can marry an ugly woman, get her a boob job, fix that face up, get her in shape.  But you can't fix stupid"


Truth
8/28/2016 11:37:33 AM EDT
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Take a kid with an IQ of 100 and give him a $1,000,000 education and when you get done he will have an IQ close to 100.
Also ....intelligence is kinda like athletic ability, it doesn't fall far from the tree either



 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iq-scores-not-accurate-marker-of-intelligence-study-shows/



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"Instead, they determined there are at least three different components that make up intelligence or a "cognitive profile": short-term memory, reasoning and a verbal component."



 










This has been known for decades.  The WISC-V, which is one of the gold standard IQ tests for children, yields a Full Scale IQ to which the following five Primary Index scores contribute:







Verbal Comprehension Index


Visual-Spatial Index


Fluid Reasoning Index


Working Memory Index


Processing Speed Index






My belief is that every person has a genetically determined IQ potential but environmental factors can influence how close a person gets to that potential.  I also think it takes some seriously negative factors to significantly limit a person's potential IQ.  












 
8/28/2016 11:43:58 AM EDT
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yes, basically it's like the highlander

once you take your enemies' heads the lightning transfers their brain juice into your brain and you become smarter
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Not if you killed a bunch of dumb ones.
8/28/2016 11:57:41 AM EDT
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Maybe a little bit, but it's a mute point anyway.    Pure intelligence is hard to quantify.    Is it problem solving?  

Learning new tasks?        Rote memory?        Attention to detail?     Creativity?          Repeatable precision?  

Lots of geniuses are plenty dumb, and plenty of normal people are highly accomplished.  


To succeed,  You need above average, motivation, self discipline, perseverance, and yes, intelligence.  In that order.

  Moot point.


This kind of spelling mistake happens to people who listen to speech more than they read. People who read more than listen make pronunciation mistakes more often than spelling mistakes.


In matters such as these I always defer to a man who had much more going on upstairs than I ever will:

"I never gave a damn about a man who could only spell a word just one way." - Mark Twain

A lot of wisdom in that.
8/28/2016 12:01:09 PM EDT
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We all have an innate intellectual capability and that varies from person to person.  You can't really change that, it is not like getting a boob job.  What you do with that capability is what you can change through education.  You can't make someone a genius but you can improve on their basic knowledge base.
8/28/2016 12:04:53 PM EDT
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Study for your Mensa exam, take it, then brag about how smart you are
8/28/2016 12:27:27 PM EDT
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It depends how you define intelligence...
Verbal,Arithmetic,Emotional
common sense
problem evaluating and solution
conceptual intelligence
fine motor skills
humor
ability to pull things apart and put them back together again in your mind and with your hands or intuitively see how parts work together.
artistic intelligence (music,drawing,painting,sculpture)
the list goes on and on in the realm of human endeavor.
with skilled teachers and a student with ability knowledge can be increased skill can be increased and if that is how you measure intelligence
then intelligence can be learned.
innate ability perhaps with nutrition,exercise and work that too may be increased
certainly genetics can be improved with the right breeding so improvement might also come in a generation or two
8/28/2016 12:30:03 PM EDT
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Actually if you had all the parameters of the test in advance and started at the age of two took the exam at the age of 25 you might improve your
score...but since one person only has one chance at it in a lifetime we will never know.

Although identical siblings might shed some light on that.
8/28/2016 2:15:25 PM EDT
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Actually if you had all the parameters of the test in advance and started at the age of two took the exam at the age of 25 you might improve your
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Actually if you had all the parameters of the test in advance and started at the age of two took the exam at the age of 25 you might improve your
score...but since one person only has one chance at it in a lifetime we will never know.

Although identical siblings might shed some light on that.


If you're saying that one can't improve their IQ score via practice, then you're demonstrably wrong.
8/28/2016 2:18:28 PM EDT
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In matters such as these I always defer to a man who had much more going on upstairs than I ever will:

"I never gave a damn about a man who could only spell a word just one way." - Mark Twain

A lot of wisdom in that.
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Maybe a little bit, but it's a mute point anyway.    Pure intelligence is hard to quantify.    Is it problem solving?  

Learning new tasks?        Rote memory?        Attention to detail?     Creativity?          Repeatable precision?  

Lots of geniuses are plenty dumb, and plenty of normal people are highly accomplished.  


To succeed,  You need above average, motivation, self discipline, perseverance, and yes, intelligence.  In that order.

  Moot point.


This kind of spelling mistake happens to people who listen to speech more than they read. People who read more than listen make pronunciation mistakes more often than spelling mistakes.


In matters such as these I always defer to a man who had much more going on upstairs than I ever will:

"I never gave a damn about a man who could only spell a word just one way." - Mark Twain

A lot of wisdom in that.


He's saying genii don't speak often, hence are "mute", or "dumb". A play on the phrase a "moot point".
8/28/2016 2:19:37 PM EDT
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And when they are, cretins and simpletons will lambast them for it.
8/28/2016 2:23:53 PM EDT
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Having met couch commando in person a few years ago, I am gonna say NO, THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY TO DO THAT.
8/31/2016 10:09:57 PM EDT
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Bump.
8/31/2016 10:20:48 PM EDT
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Lumosity claims my ratings on THEIR GAMES are improving. Yay!

Edit: Changed is > are. Mad smart yo