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Posted: 6/6/2003 10:54:34 PM EDT
So what do you all think is the best camo pattern? What are you going to wear if TSHTF?
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:56:36 PM EDT
blue jeans t-shirt jacket
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 11:17:20 PM EDT
civillian clothing so I can blend in with the rest of the population, I dont want to dress in any type of military clothing and draw attention to myself. The same thing IRAQI soldiers did so they wouldnt be spotted by our US troops, they put on civi clothes to blend in. Levi's polo shirt casual leather walking shoes or loose untucked casual shirt with a concealed handgun underneath.
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Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:30:14 AM EDT
This is probably as hotly a debated topic as what ammo is most effective. But in my experience, I have learned that much of it can work. Obviously, you want something that will blend into your surrounding environment. But other than that, it's all up for debate. Two designs I like in the deciduous forests here are the MARPAT and Mossy Oak patterns. And the Mossy Oak looks good no matter the season. But I have yet to find anything I like better than a well constructed ghillie suit with local vegetation attached to it. This is probably the most effective camo we have. But the VC made good use of the black pajamas in the triple canopy jungles of Vietnam. The camo is only as effective as the individual wearing it. And one other thing about camo that lots of folks don't understand.....it is most effective when you are not moving. Some camo patterns are actually more visible on the move in the bush than a plain OD design would be. So remember, if your camo is designed to look like a tree, act like one! LOL. -Charging Handle
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:43:42 AM EDT
MARPAT IBTL!
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ROFL! IBTL!
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:53:45 AM EDT
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MARPAT? Could you expain? Why? [NUTS] I-B-T-L Baby!
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 1:41:52 AM EDT
IBTL! =] hehehe MARPAT! YAY!
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 1:42:38 AM EDT
If the SHTF, I'll put one of my suits and start acting like I'm important. People always trust a man w/ a suit and an AR slung over his back right? [;0]
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 2:46:09 AM EDT
Subdued color civilian garb. Khaki "cargo pants", dark shirt, lightweight vest. Handgun goes in cargo pants easily. The clothes look normal, but have a good bit of utility and the colors are such that you can reasonably hide if someone chases.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 6:34:21 AM EDT
I like Flecktarn and Jungle Tiger Stripe the best. I would wear dark or subdued clothes in SHTF situations.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 7:29:57 AM EDT
It's pretty much all wooded in my neck of the woods so I believe a hunting pattern would be the most effective for me. A battleship pattern would stick out more than hide around here. link to some nice hunting patterns below. [url]http://www.skylinecamo.net/myo/Default.asp?PID=6[/url]
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 9:20:56 AM EDT
Danish m84 pattern - no contest. It is the pattern that the Germans stole to make their Flecktarn (they just changed the colors to fit german terrain). Here's the Danish pattern (in Kosovo) [img]http://www.hok.dk/lg/KFOR/Billeder/images/DSC01029.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.hok.dk/lg/KFOR/Billeder/images/DSC01026.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 9:56:04 AM EDT
cadpat...IBTL
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 9:57:50 AM EDT
Tigerstripe, of course. [}:D] TS
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 10:48:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Danish m84 pattern - no contest. It is the pattern that the Germans stole to make their Flecktarn (they just changed the colors to fit german terrain).
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BULL SHIT And where do you think your silly Danish army found the original flecktarn pattern? Here's a hint, Sparky: [img]http://www.eliteforces.freewire.co.uk/Uniweb/waffen_ss/panz_camo/camo2.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 10:52:57 AM EDT
But then again, I can see the reason for your honest error: [img]http://www.militaria-net.co.uk/features/waffenss/danish.jpg[/img]
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Cadpat....no doubt about it. That is why the Marines are copying it. Can you spot all three guys here? [img]http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9004.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9011.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:24:35 PM EDT
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Swedish m/90 camo! [img]http://home.swipnet.se/~w-72338/gripande.jpg[/img][img]http://home.swipnet.se/~w-72338/fange.jpg[/img] Seriously though. In the unlikely event of SHTF I think jeans and hiking boots will be the best foundation. Looking like a regular Joe will probably attract less attention than GI Joe.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:25:13 PM EDT
Depends on the terrain....For those of you unfortunate enough to live in urban areas, if you want to fit in: baggy gang-banger pants, six sizes too large, with your underwear and/or buttcrack showing sloppy sweatshirt under a Chicago bulls jacket unlaced tennis shoes also six sizes too big baseball cap turned sideways ten pounds of stolen gold jewelry stupid, slack-jawed sneer
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:49:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kar98:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Danish m84 pattern - no contest. It is the pattern that the Germans stole to make their Flecktarn (they just changed the colors to fit german terrain).
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BULL SHIT And where do you think your silly Danish army found the original flecktarn pattern? Here's a hint, Sparky: [url]http://www.eliteforces.freewire.co.uk/Uniweb/waffen_ss/panz_camo/camo2.jpg[/url]
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You're both right and WRONG! The danish model 84 camo pattern is computer-developed to fit with typical danish foliage and terrain. However, I did talk to one of the guys that worked on the project (at the Danish Army Combat School in Oksboel) and he told me that one of the "starting points" for the development did include the German pattern that you showed, but was not limited to it. However, the new Danish pattern merely looks somewhat like the old German pattern, whereas the Germans copied the new Danish pattern precisely, and only switched colors. If you look at the pictures that I posted and that you posted, it is quite OBVIOUS that the patterns are really quite different. The original German pattern was spots of roughly the same size that varied in color. The Danish pattern is made up of collections of much smaller spots that make up larger overlapping patterns. To the ignorant layperson they may look very similar at first glance, but once a more detailed comparison is made, they are really very different. I guess they couldn't wait to get back to a pattern that looked like their uniforms of yore, even if not an exact match.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:56:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kar98: But then again, I can see the reason for your honest error: [url]http://www.militaria-net.co.uk/features/waffenss/danish.jpg[/url]
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Don't really see your point here. What does the fact that a lot of Danes hated communism during WW-II have to do with the origins of a modern camo pattern?
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 1:19:09 PM EDT
It's OK. At least the French put up /some/ fight, such as it was. Denmark even adopted the camo pattern ;)
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 1:20:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 2:20:03 PM EDT
yes, I truthfully spotted all 3 almost immediately the guy on the right is easy because his dark legs stand out against the light grass, if he moved back into the woods it would be harder guy on the left stands out from his head and left hand the most and also his gun and left upper arm guy in the middle is probably hardest to spot and was probably made a little esier by being dead center but I can still make out the outline of a person. his left hand also helps give him away
Originally Posted By Stormbringer2: Can you spot all three guys here? [url]http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9004.jpg[/url]
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Link Posted: 6/7/2003 2:27:17 PM EDT
depends on location. if I'm going to be out in the woods it'll be US woodland pattern since that's what I have. winter might be some sort of hunting pattern as my deer hunting jacket is for cold weather, not sure the pattern on it though since being in NY I always have theblaze orange side turned out. around civilization I have to agree that jeans or yuppy style cargo pants (the ones that are a little more "designer" than bdu pants but are basically the same) would be good since they wouldn't stand out as much
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 2:57:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kar98: It's OK. At least the French put up /some/ fight, such as it was. Denmark even adopted the camo pattern ;)
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Again - I don't see what your rambling about the war has to do with camo patterns. I'm not talking about who fought on what front during WW-II, or who occupied who. I'm talking about camo patterns - what the hell are you talking about? Can you seriously not see the huge differences between the two patterns? Do you need to get your eyes checked - or do you maybe think that MARPAT and CADPAT are also just copies of that simple early spot pattern? Hey whatever makes you feel better, just keep believing it [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 3:05:09 PM EDT
Bushlan. [img]http://www.bushlan.com/Pics/sphoto31.JPG[/img] BigDozer66
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 4:38:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BigJ491: If the SHTF, I'll put one of my suits and start acting like I'm important. People always trust a man w/ a suit and an AR slung over his back right? [;0]
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Make sure to have the sunglasses & radio earpiece.....[peep]
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