[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The Dirty Gun Thread (Test) (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/17/2016 4:14:00 PM EDT
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Dirty Gun Thread?
What is this you ask. It's a thread where we document how poorly we treat a gun... Kind of. I don't like cleaning guns, hate it in fact. So here will be a place to document a few things: -Gun -each time it's taken out and shot -how many rounds fired -kind of ammo(s) used -any issues Goal is to not clean the gun afterwards but instead to see how many rounds it can handle before it needs to be cleaned, over multiple outings. Needing to be cleaned is defined by the following: -Malfunctions that can only be attributed to being too dirty/fouled (not mag or ammo related) -Loss of accuracy (groups opening up, keyholes etc) Either or both of those will be your guide to cleaning. We will develop and average for typical firearms in terms of: -Avg Rounds Between Cleaning (ARBC) -Avg Rounds between Malfunction (ARBM) -Avg Rounds Between Loss of Accuracy (ARBLA) Loss of accuracy will not be considered a malfunction, only typical FTF/FTE's. As a secondary data point if loss of accuracy and keyholing starts and continues after cleaned and different ammo used we will determine barrel life as well. Allowable maintenance: -You can spray the chamber/action/bore with your favorite oil/clp -you can wipe down the externals of the firearm with your favorite oil/clp What you can not do: -disassemble your firearm and wipe anything away/oil/CLP in a disassembled state. Interior is to be left alone. -no boresnakes either *For those that don't want to wait until a malfunction occurs, if you gun makes it 1000 rounds prior to being cleaned malfunction free post it is well. Goes for every thousand rounds fired and uncleaned without malfunction yet cleaned prior to malfunctions or loss of accuracy showing up. Must be documented |
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When I was doing IPSC/Bowling Pins/Steel matches heavily.... multiple matches times a week I would not clean my pistols ( G19 G22 G24C) until I could tell the slide was slowing going back into battery normally took about 5K , then changed the recoil spring every other cleaning |
| I have a transferable Uzi. It has maybe been cleaned once or twice in the many, many years that I have owned it. Last time that it got cleaned. I had to. I let a guy shoot some corrosive ammo in it, and the barrel got a little nasty. I don't deep clean it. Just spray it with wd 40, wipe and oil. |
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So I'll start with a few
Today I realized my 10/22 has gone a while without a cleaning and I saw a loss of accuracy. Prior to record keeping this 10/22 had roughly 2,700 rounds through it with multiple cleaning. The 350 rounds prior to this it leaded out twice and was cleaned both times. 10/22c (2012) -60 36gr Minimags CJHP -30 36gr Winchester LRN -90 36gr Winchester CHHP -180 36gr Winchester CJHP -90 36gr Winchester CJHP Not cleaned yet... (2015) -25 36gr Minimags CJHP -100 40gr LRN Peter's -40 40gr AE CJHP -92 40gr Aguila CRN Not cleaned yet... (2016) -160 40gr CCI Standard LRN -250 40gr CCI Standard LRN/40gr Blazer LRN -280 40gr Blazer LRN -140 40gr Blazer LRN -162 36gr Minimags CJHP -200 40gr Blazer LRN -195 40gr Blazer LRN -200 40gr Blazer LRN Rounds Fired: 2,294 Needs cleaning: -Losing accuracy No malfunctions, believe that or not! |
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M&P 15-22
Previous to this had 600 rounds through it and cleaned a few times. (2015) -200 40gr Blazer LRN -50 40gr CCI Standard LRN -150 40gr CCI Standard LRN -50 40gr CCI Standard LRN Not cleaned yet... (2016) -100 40gr Blazer LRN -45 40gr Blazer LRN Current round count: 595 |
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Sig P226
Current round count on pistol is 8,701 with 1 odd FTF. Spring changed from factory to a +P Pink at 4000 rounds. Typically cleaning occurred between 200 rounds fired to 650 rounds fired, ARBC is roughly 400. Currently -100 115gr Fed -100 115gr Fed -150 115gr Fed -150 115gr Fed/BVAC Reloaded -100 115gr Fed Current round count: 600 500 |
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This thread sounds like too much work to avoid work.  I keep records on all my guns so I update them after each range outing 
For this thread I am only posting on the guns I shoot the most often and so I clean the lest. My SD/HD/CCW guns get cleaned fairly soon after shooting. |
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In, I've got a sig556R I haven't cleaned in forever. I really need to keep track of this stuff. I started a few years ago to keep track of maintenance/parts changed/spring changes/malfunctions etc so I could see trends if they were developing. What ammo doesn't a gun like etc. It's useful info to have. |
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Ruger MKII
Currently at 440 without cleaning but I think, though I didn't write it down that the accuracy was starting to decrease. So I am going to clean it today and start fresh. This particular MKII has around 6,321 rounds through it and has been leaded out multiple time. Most notably by garbage Thunderbolts. Unfortunately I still have most of a brick of it... |
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DMPS AP4 (2007'ish)
Currently around 3,500-4,500 rounds through it. Mostly Wolf with some Brown Bear. Has begun to keyhole over the last year. I will clean it to remove any copper fouling and start fresh: Current rounds since being cleaned last: 518 Result: -Keyholing I'll clean it and then test a few good ammo choices and Wolf and see if the barrel is shot out or not. |
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What method is everyone using for leaded up 22 barrels? I've got a 10/22 that has about 5k through it without being cleaned, all suppressed. Good call, if it leads out that should be noted. Personally I always used a brush and a fucking hammer.... I've punched out so much lead out of my MKII that I could have casted mags worth of new bullets... Now I have some Butch's Bore Shine. Seemed to work. Reviews are fairly good. |
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Good call, if it leads out that should be noted. Personally I always used a brush and a fucking hammer.... I've punched out so much lead out of my MKII that I could have casted mags worth of new bullets... Now I have some Butch's Bore Shine. Seemed to work. Reviews are fairly good. Quoted:
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What method is everyone using for leaded up 22 barrels? I've got a 10/22 that has about 5k through it without being cleaned, all suppressed. Good call, if it leads out that should be noted. Personally I always used a brush and a fucking hammer.... I've punched out so much lead out of my MKII that I could have casted mags worth of new bullets... Now I have some Butch's Bore Shine. Seemed to work. Reviews are fairly good. The suppressor is twice as heavy as it was new. That suppressor has also been used on a full auto .22 AR upper however. Once of these days I need to pound it apart a or send it in to the manufacturer. It was #25 off the production line though, kinda partial to it. |
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The suppressor is twice as heavy as it was new. That suppressor has also been used on a full auto .22 AR upper however. Once of these days I need to pound it apart a or send it in to the manufacturer. It was #25 off the production line though, kinda partial to it. Quoted:
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What method is everyone using for leaded up 22 barrels? I've got a 10/22 that has about 5k through it without being cleaned, all suppressed. Good call, if it leads out that should be noted. Personally I always used a brush and a fucking hammer.... I've punched out so much lead out of my MKII that I could have casted mags worth of new bullets... Now I have some Butch's Bore Shine. Seemed to work. Reviews are fairly good. The suppressor is twice as heavy as it was new. That suppressor has also been used on a full auto .22 AR upper however. Once of these days I need to pound it apart a or send it in to the manufacturer. It was #25 off the production line though, kinda partial to it. Oh you meant the suppressor itself. Yeah I can't help you there. I'm a poor boy
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What method is everyone using for leaded up 22 barrels? I've got a 10/22 that has about 5k through it without being cleaned, all suppressed. Good call, if it leads out that should be noted. Personally I always used a brush and a fucking hammer.... I've punched out so much lead out of my MKII that I could have casted mags worth of new bullets... Now I have some Butch's Bore Shine. Seemed to work. Reviews are fairly good. The suppressor is twice as heavy as it was new. That suppressor has also been used on a full auto .22 AR upper however. Once of these days I need to pound it apart a or send it in to the manufacturer. It was #25 off the production line though, kinda partial to it. Oh you meant the suppressor itself. Yeah I can't help you there. I'm a poor boy Oh no the barrel is bad also, ordered some of the Butch's; I'll try it out. I'm wondering about soaking the baffles in that stuff though... |
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CZ Evo 3 Scorpion.
Never cleaned or lubed before I shot it the first time. 700-800 rounds through it. All 9mm Perfecta and Federal Champion 115 gr. Have an Eotech 512 on it and at 50 ft, hasn't lost a bit of accuracy. Only 50 ft but that's hd range. Has not failed one time either in any way. Should probably clean it though... just aggravating to field strip a weapon for the first time. |
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Sig P226 Current round count on pistol is 8,701 with 1 odd FTF. Spring changed from factory to a +P Pink at 4000 rounds. Typically cleaning occurred between 200 rounds fired to 650 rounds fired, ARBC is roughly 400. Currently -100 115gr Fed -100 115gr Fed -150 115gr Fed -150 115gr Fed/BVAC Reloaded -100 115gr Fed Current round count: 600 I put almost 2000 rds through my p226 (.40SW) before I started getting FTF's The crud on the face of the bolt was preventing the round from sliding up into a locking position. Clean it every time I run it now. I once cleaned my pop's Remington fieldmaster .22lr and he said it was the first it had ever been cleaned. i was probably 26 at the time and learned to shoot on it when I was about 4. |
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CZ Evo 3 Scorpion. Never cleaned or lubed before I shot it the first time. 700-800 rounds through it. All 9mm Perfecta and Federal Champion 115 gr. Have an Eotech 512 on it and at 50 ft, hasn't lost a bit of accuracy. Only 50 ft but that's hd range. Has not failed one time either in any way. Should probably clean it though... just aggravating to field strip a weapon for the first time. Just update the thread when you do. But if you clean it before any reason other malfunctions or loss of accuracy then I can't use. You know what, I'll add a 1000 round mark for those that don't want to wait that long but clean prior to any malfunction/loss of accuracy. I'll do that for every 1000 rounds. |
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When I was doing IPSC/Bowling Pins/Steel matches heavily.... multiple matches times a week I would not clean my pistols ( G19 G22 G24C) until I could tell the slide was slowing going back into battery normally took about 5K , then changed the recoil spring every other cleaning I'll take your word for it if you want to break down the rounds for each pistol with some accuracy. I'll post them under "1000 round guns etc" Honor system Never mind I think for integrity of this I can't honor system anything. |
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I put almost 2000 rds through my p226 (.40SW) before I started getting FTF's The crud on the face of the bolt was preventing the round from sliding up into a locking position. Clean it every time I run it now. I once cleaned my pop's Remington fieldmaster .22lr and he said it was the first it had ever been cleaned. i was probably 26 at the time and learned to shoot on it when I was about 4. Quoted:
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Sig P226 Current round count on pistol is 8,701 with 1 odd FTF. Spring changed from factory to a +P Pink at 4000 rounds. Typically cleaning occurred between 200 rounds fired to 650 rounds fired, ARBC is roughly 400. Currently -100 115gr Fed -100 115gr Fed -150 115gr Fed -150 115gr Fed/BVAC Reloaded -100 115gr Fed Current round count: 600 I put almost 2000 rds through my p226 (.40SW) before I started getting FTF's The crud on the face of the bolt was preventing the round from sliding up into a locking position. Clean it every time I run it now. I once cleaned my pop's Remington fieldmaster .22lr and he said it was the first it had ever been cleaned. i was probably 26 at the time and learned to shoot on it when I was about 4. I'll mark the 226 down as a 1000 round gun. Never mind I think for integrity of this I can't honor system anything. |
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The suppressor is twice as heavy as it was new. That suppressor has also been used on a full auto .22 AR upper however. Once of these days I need to pound it apart a or send it in to the manufacturer. It was #25 off the production line though, kinda partial to it. Quoted:
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What method is everyone using for leaded up 22 barrels? I've got a 10/22 that has about 5k through it without being cleaned, all suppressed. Good call, if it leads out that should be noted. Personally I always used a brush and a fucking hammer.... I've punched out so much lead out of my MKII that I could have casted mags worth of new bullets... Now I have some Butch's Bore Shine. Seemed to work. Reviews are fairly good. The suppressor is twice as heavy as it was new. That suppressor has also been used on a full auto .22 AR upper however. Once of these days I need to pound it apart a or send it in to the manufacturer. It was #25 off the production line though, kinda partial to it. If it was malfunction free less ammo reasons give me a good estimate and I'll mark down as a 1000 round etc gun. Honor system Never mind I think for integrity of this I can't honor system anything. |
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When I used to hang out in the FAL Files there was a similar experiment on an STG-58 named Old Dirty.
I just searched for the thread and he is up to 16,000 rounds now. Link |
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Quoted: I'll take your word for it if you want to break down the rounds for each pistol with some accuracy. I'll post them under "1000 round guns etc" Honor system Never mind I think for integrity of this I can't honor system anything. Quoted: Quoted: When I was doing IPSC/Bowling Pins/Steel matches heavily.... multiple matches times a week I would not clean my pistols ( G19 G22 G24C) until I could tell the slide was slowing going back into battery normally took about 5K , then changed the recoil spring every other cleaning I'll take your word for it if you want to break down the rounds for each pistol with some accuracy. I'll post them under "1000 round guns etc" Honor system Never mind I think for integrity of this I can't honor system anything. G19 is the only one I have an semi accurate round count for no clue on the others beyond a vague estimate Don't shoot that sort of volume anymore either |