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Posted: 6/4/2003 4:39:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2003 4:52:06 PM EDT by Feedingcannibal]
If this has been previously posted, my apologies. A number of articles, with original URLs and pics: [url]http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/stripped-iraqis.htm[/url]
SHAME OF U.S. TROOPS' IRAQI STREET JUSTICE: Apr 28 2003 Suspects stripped and paraded at gunpoint From Chris Hughes In Baghdad STRIPPED at gunpoint and publicly branded as thieves a gang of suspected Iraqi looters are humiliated by US troopers' street justice. After being hauled before a kangaroo court, the men had the words Ali Baba Haram - Arabic for "dirty thief, he stole" - scrawled on their chests with a marker pen. They were then paraded in front of a jeering Baghdad crowd before fleeing to safety. The "appalling" affront to dignity outraged human rights organisations who say it broke the Geneva Convention which protects prisoners against "insults or public curiosity". It fuelled Iraqi resentment at the US "occupation" of their country, provoked dozens of demonstrations and flew in the face of guidelines aimed at winning over the locals. But the trooper allegedly responsible was defiant. First Lieutenant Eric Canaday of Delta Squadron's 10th Engineer Corps said: "I don't think this kind of action is excessive. "We've done it once before to another man we found looting and it worked perfectly." Raw justice was handed down when the US soldiers arrested four men in Baghdad's Zawra Amusement Park on suspicion of looting. After questioning and searching the suspects - and with the prison system in chaos - the troopers were at a loss to know where to take them. So they made their own brutal law. Lieutenant Canaday allegedly asked a group of watching Iraqis how the men should be punished. Troops said they were told the best way would be to brand them as thieves and strip them. The fearful suspects were shoved at gunpoint into a tent where they were stripped. With the help of a Muslim soldier in the unit they were then daubed with insults and forced into the street to brave a crowd screaming "Ali Baba!" One of the men, Zian Djumma, 20, said later: "It was horrendous. "Now I want to find a hand grenade and throw it at the soldiers. I hate them for this." He said he and his friends had entered the park, used by Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard for weapons storage, to search for one of their young brothers. Troops said the men were carrying a bag with spare parts for weapons. Coming on top of an explosion at a US arms dump in the city which killed up to 40 Iraqis and seriously injured 60, the degrading scenes brought an explosion of fury. Demonstrating outside the city's Palestine Hotel Adil Al-Harni, 41, said last night: "This is a disgusting way to treat people without trying them. How do we know these men were thieves? "Even if they were, this is no way to treat them. If this is US democracy, they can keep it. "It's just another way of keeping people in their place. I believe it will cause big trouble." Amnesty International said: "It was an appalling way to treat prisoners. Such degrading treatment is a clear violation of US responsibilities. "The US authorities must investigate this incident and publicly release the findings." The Red Cross added: "The Americans have a responsibility to give good treatment to all prisoners, whoever they are." US Central Command has pledged a probe. At the heart of the row is a cultural split over looting. The Americans see it as a breakdown of order. Locals say they are only taking a share of what Saddam stole from them. Baghdad markets now sell goods at four prices - for locals, for foreigners, for those who want to pay less for looted goods and for ultra-religious Muslims who condemn looting and will not buy stolen goods. Ask a stallholder how much he wants for a pair of trousers, and he will reply: "Looted, sir, or unlooted?" Army trousers, robbed from government stores cost just $2. Unlooted cost $10. But no one in Baghdad can guarantee they have not benefited from looting since no one is sure where goods come from. When a religious leader re-opened a mosque in Baghdad's lawless Saddam City, he told a 400-strong crowd: "You can come in if you are unarmed and can swear on the Koran that you are not looters, former looters or have not benefited from looting." Refusing to lie, the devout Muslims returned home. The "Ali Baba" row is the latest in a string of embarrassing incidents for the US military in which troops have flouted guidelines on how to win Iraqis' "hearts and minds". US troops have raised the Stars and Stripes at captured sites on several occasions, most notoriously on a statue of Saddam during the last push into Baghdad. But allied forces were specifically ordered against such displays as it was believed the population would feel humiliated by the sight of a foreign flag flying in their homeland.
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Link Posted: 6/4/2003 4:43:29 PM EDT
Great............
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 4:47:36 PM EDT
What's the typical sentence? Isn't it chopping off their hands?
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 4:51:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2003 4:52:33 PM EDT by gman552]
I think it's time for combat troops to be replaced with MPs, who are better trained for this sort of thing. Do we even have enough MPs? Combat infantrymen do not make good beat cops. Better yet, how far along are the Iraqi police in being retrained?
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 4:56:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gman552: I think it's time for combat troops to be replaced with MPs, who are better trained for this sort of thing. Do we even have enough MPs? Combat infantrymen do not make good beat cops. Better yet, how far along are the Iraqi police in being retrained?
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Agreed. The US Military is not as proficient at policing as they are at stomping ass.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 4:57:36 PM EDT
[aiming M16 at their feet] BANG..BANG..BANG.. DANCE MOHAMMED !!! BANG..BANG..BANG [/aiming M16 at their feet]
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 4:59:39 PM EDT
......and the problem is?
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 5:00:59 PM EDT
FALSE Made up story. Those are pictures from when we entered Bagdad. We WERE making prisoners strip because they might be suicide bombers. The Norwegains just made the rest of the crap up. The Americans simply copied it-hey it beats actually doing reporting. Think about it, the dateline is APRIL 24th this is now JUNE 4th. How did this NOT get on CNN, MSNBC, BBC, AlJazzera over the last month plus if it was a real story!
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 5:03:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2003 5:05:10 PM EDT by Oslow]
[BS2] [buttkick]
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 5:24:14 PM EDT
Sure, it could be bullshit. [url]http://heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,6339483%255E1702,00.html[/url]
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 8:12:12 PM EDT
No "could be" about it. It is bullshit.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 11:21:10 PM EDT
This story has been very popular on some of the Eurotrash boards I frequent for many weeks now. They are also asking why this was never reported by CNN, ABC, and the other major US media, while it's been on the news daily in Europe for weeks. They use this as an example of US media censorship and bias.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 11:25:00 PM EDT
I think this is shit. Even if it aint what gman552 said is correct. The Army is not a police force.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 11:53:55 PM EDT
that's lame, what are they gay? like walking behind a bunch of prisoners staring at their asses?
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 12:26:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2003 12:29:09 AM EDT by desertmoon]
I definitely believe it was wrong to humiliate those prisoners...those soldiers should have done their American duty and SHOT THE BASTARDS!!!!! edited to say: ...filthy g^d d#amned Iraqie scumbags!!!
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 2:22:45 AM EDT
I think it's probably a crock of shit as well, but if it is true, I am just thankful that I didn't have to watch!
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 2:37:08 AM EDT
Havent seen that one the euro (british) news at all. Hopefully it is BS. But OTOH a) They asked the crowd who seemed to have requested a traditional punishment. b) its better than getting your hand cut off. c) all the soldiers went home safely. I dont see any problem with it really. /PHil
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 5:15:50 AM EDT
Hmm... that or having your corpse drug down main street behind a truck.... which would I prefer. Screw the ragheads, they deserve far worse than this. Embarrassment is temporary and leaves no lasting scars. Torture, maiming and mutilation are forever.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 5:38:43 AM EDT
This was a special detail trained by former President Bill Clinton. They are still on a 'babe patrol' for Ol' Slick Willy... [%|]
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 5:57:44 AM EDT
Who cares? I don't. I don't LIKE the Iraqi people, or any of the people that live in these countries. Sure, I have sympathies for the children, and a few of the women. But you know what? I really don't care. I'm concerned with Americans' happiness. And I don't think making THEM happy really matters. I prefer they fear us, than like us. I have enough friends.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 6:29:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Who cares? I don't. I don't LIKE the Iraqi people, [red]or any of the people that live in these countries[/red]. Sure, I have sympathies for the children, and a few of the women. But you know what? I really don't care. I'm concerned with [red]Americans'[/red] happiness. And I don't think making THEM happy really matters. I prefer they fear us, than like us. I have enough friends.
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[url]http://www.allied-media.com/Arab-American/census.htm[/url]
It is estimated that the 2000 Census question on ancestry, which measures ethnicity beyond official race classifications, captured about one-third of the total population that traces its roots to the Arabic-speaking world. While the just-released census figures account for about 1.25 million Americans of Arab descent, private research by the Arab American Institute and Zogby International indicates a population that exceeds 3 million.
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Link Posted: 6/5/2003 6:35:38 AM EDT
Zogby = arab muslim
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 6:15:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/6/2003 6:10:04 AM EDT by Cincinnatus]
Originally Posted By Feedingcannibal:
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Who cares? I don't. I don't LIKE the Iraqi people, [red]or any of the people that live in these countries[/red]. Sure, I have sympathies for the children, and a few of the women. But you know what? I really don't care. I'm concerned with [red]Americans'[/red] happiness. And I don't think making THEM happy really matters. I prefer they fear us, than like us. I have enough friends.
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[url]http://www.allied-media.com/Arab-American/census.htm[/url]
It is estimated that the 2000 Census question on ancestry, which measures ethnicity beyond official race classifications, captured about one-third of the total population that traces its roots to the Arabic-speaking world. While the just-released census figures account for about 1.25 million Americans of Arab descent, private research by the Arab American Institute and Zogby International indicates a population that exceeds 3 million.
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So what? Come to America, be an American, and you're alright in my book. I don't care for people who LIVE IN countries that harbor and support terrorists. You get the government you deserve. It is a reflection of the character of the people. I never said anything about Americans who COME FROM these countries. I stand firm.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 6:05:19 AM EDT
should have sprayed them with pigs blood,then made them eat pork and then Rosie O'Donnell.
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