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8/1/2016 11:03:46 PM EDT
What do you guys want me to ask at the conference? I also have some time with round table discussions where I get to sit next to or across from people like Ted Clutter, Earl Griffith, etc.

Please don't respond that this is an infringement on your rights or stuff like that. I don't want to wade through that stuff in the morning when I have to pull questions out of this thread.

You FFLs and industry types better get asking.

I'll post a blog after but you'll have to look for it since I can't hot link them here due to being told it is "advertising" in violation of the CoC.

Fire away.
8/1/2016 11:08:04 PM EDT
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Do individuals making a firearm on a Form 1 need to pay itar?





8/1/2016 11:08:47 PM EDT
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Why was the current "fee" for ITAR registration set at it's current level and who decided that it should be that?   What exactly does that fee pay for?   It used to be relatively inoffensive and inexpensive.   Now it's a genuine hurdle that alot of small businesses have to decide is worth jumping to stay in the business.    So what was the purpose in so drastically raising the fee?
8/1/2016 11:18:45 PM EDT
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A friend from another (builders) site makes small batches of conversion and compliance components (for building semi auto Stens / KP-44's / Suomis / etc....)

It is for profit. He does not export

Does he now have an ITAR registration requirement?

Thanks
8/1/2016 11:35:00 PM EDT
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I would ask what ITAR means for someone building and 80% lower and if they have anything to worry about since ITAR technically violates the BATFE regulations for pretty much anything regarding current laws which per the BATFE and thus that executive decision is unconstitutional. Which per the 2A it is and everything FBHO has tried to pass for gun control is purely against the 2A and the SCOTUS has shot his ass down yet we are now down a judge to it might stand unless Trump gets in and fixes that.
8/1/2016 11:46:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Is anything like E-file ever coming back?

Where do they predict wait times be one year from now?
8/1/2016 11:59:02 PM EDT
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This may be more for someone in DoS, but I'm wondering why the sudden change in position here.

There have been gunsmiths and guys working on guns and gun parts as small businesses for over a century - sometimes as an FFL, sometimes not.  So now, 40 years after the ACEA was enacted, and after 40 years of DoS not recognizing any need to register small time gunsmiths, DoS completely changes their mind and decides every small gunsmith needs to register (and pay the annual fee, lets not forget that part...) because somehow, they might export something, even though they're not licensed to do so.  Can they explain the rationale for the sudden change in position here, given the recent political climate favoring more gun control makes it look like this is about nothing more than political pandering to the administration?

8/2/2016 12:03:54 AM EDT
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How does DDTC define "manufacturer"?  I am not looking for the "common usage of the term" BS in their letter.
8/2/2016 12:13:12 AM EDT
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Once and for all, does an 07 with no intent of export 100% absolutely have to file with ITAR?

Relevant to my next 2 weeks of life.
8/2/2016 6:56:50 AM EDT
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How does DDTC define "manufacturer"?  I am not looking for the "common usage of the term" BS in their letter.
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How does DDTC define "manufacturer"?  I am not looking for the "common usage of the term" BS in their letter.


It's not defined in the regulations. They won't have an answer to that question. It's a question that was asked last year and I'm sure every year prior. Having no definition, in theory, would allow it to be more "fluid" since they aren't tied to anything like ATF for instance.

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Once and for all, does an 07 with no intent of export 100% absolutely have to file with ITAR?

Relevant to my next 2 weeks of life.


Yes. Export has NOTHING to do with being required to register under ITAR.

Once again, I point to the Federal Regulations.

22 C.F.R. § 122.1

(a) Any person who engages in the United States in the business of manufacturing or exporting or temporarily importing defense articles, or furnishing defense services, is required to register with the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls under § 122.2. For the purpose of this subchapter, engaging in such a business requires only one occasion of manufacturing or exporting or temporarily importing a defense article or furnishing a defense service. A manufacturer who does not engage in exporting must nevertheless register.
8/2/2016 2:14:18 PM EDT
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This is going to put so many 'mom & pop' gunsmiths out of business.  The wording and way 'manufacturing' is described wood make a person who only makes grips for handguns have to pay this outrageous tax.

This is definitely a slap in the face for an industry (gunsmiths) that has existed for hundreds of years.  A $2250 annual fee for a Type 1 gunsmith? Outrageous! By executive order? Double outrageous!
8/2/2016 2:34:40 PM EDT
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This is going to put so many 'mom & pop' gunsmiths out of business.  The wording and way 'manufacturing' is described wood make a person who only makes grips for handguns have to pay this outrageous tax.

This is definitely a slap in the face for an industry (gunsmiths) that has existed for hundreds of years.  A $2250 annual fee for a Type 1 gunsmith? Outrageous! By executive order? Double outrageous!
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That's the whole point of these changes......
And the reason the Administration is leaning on financial institutions to stop dealing with ANY business connected forearms.

It is backdoor gun control plain and simple.
8/2/2016 2:48:39 PM EDT
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Why was the current "fee" for ITAR registration set at it's current level and who decided that it should be that?   What exactly does that fee pay for?   It used to be relatively inoffensive and inexpensive.   Now it's a genuine hurdle that alot of small businesses have to decide is worth jumping to stay in the business.    So what was the purpose in so drastically raising the fee?
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Why was the current "fee" for ITAR registration set at it's current level and who decided that it should be that?   What exactly does that fee pay for?   It used to be relatively inoffensive and inexpensive.   Now it's a genuine hurdle that alot of small businesses have to decide is worth jumping to stay in the business.    So what was the purpose in so drastically raising the fee?

IIRC the fee went up when then-President Bush stated that government agencies needed to be self-funding through their fee structure.  He didn't want to raise taxes as that was politically unpalatable, never mind that increasing licensing and registration fees on businesses essentially has the same effect.

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A friend from another (builders) site makes small batches of conversion and compliance components (for building semi auto Stens / KP-44's / Suomis / etc....)

It is for profit. He does not export

Does he now have an ITAR registration requirement?

Thanks

Your friend was already on the hook for ITAR even before that letter was released; manufacturing firearm parts has always been an activity that required registration.