Posted: 7/30/2016 9:02:30 PM EDT
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FUCK YES!! Spot on! Quoted:
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No wonder the Dems love the celebries to back them. Those were easy questions, they need to take the test for citizenship to get out of high school. Then what do we do with 80-90% that fail the test? |
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Quoted: No wonder the Dems love the celebries to back them. Those were easy questions, they need to take the test for citizenship to get out of high school. They don't care. They don't want to care. That's pretty much it. |
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Then what do we do with 80-90% that fail the test? Quoted:
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No wonder the Dems love the celebries to back them. Those were easy questions, they need to take the test for citizenship to get out of high school. Then what do we do with 80-90% that fail the test? Then they don't get a high school diploma. |
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While the knowledge being tested is interesting, it isn't useful to a college student.
Aside from being able to say they know it, what *benefit* is derived from knowing it, for them, specifically. Even Einstein argued against retention of useless facts. Of course, he also argued against college education, in general. |
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While the knowledge being tested is interesting, it isn't useful to a college student. Aside from being able to say they know it, what *benefit* is derived from knowing it, for them, specifically. Even Einstein argued against retention of useless facts. Of course, he also argued against college education, in general. I'll go with this |
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While the knowledge being tested is interesting, it isn't useful to a college student. Aside from being able to say they know it, what *benefit* is derived from knowing it, for them, specifically. Even Einstein argued against retention of useless facts. Of course, he also argued against college education, in general. I'll go with this You guys have a point, but not knowing who we declared independence from is just stupid. |
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I'm curious how our kids at that age compare, as it pertains to general knowledge, to their contemporaries over the last 200 years. I suspect they are far, far, far more informed than ANY other time in history. I'm sure they know more trivia than any people ever, and are far more politically indoctrinated than any former population, but actual, useful, repeatable knowledge? Not so much. Wanna know how to hack a cell phone or pirate a movie? Yeah, any of them can do it. Want to know history or its lessons? Good luck trying to find one who even knows who was on which side of the fire hoses back in the sixties, let alone what started any of the wars or anything about economics. Don't even get me started on basic math or science. |
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I'm sure they know more trivia than any people ever, and are far more politically indoctrinated than any former population, but actual, useful, repeatable knowledge? Not so much. Wanna know how to hack a cell phone or pirate a movie? Yeah, any of them can do it. Want to know history or its lessons? Good luck trying to find one who even knows who was on which side of the fire hoses back in the sixties, let alone what started any of the wars or anything about economics. Don't even get me started on basic math or science. Quoted:
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I'm curious how our kids at that age compare, as it pertains to general knowledge, to their contemporaries over the last 200 years. I suspect they are far, far, far more informed than ANY other time in history. I'm sure they know more trivia than any people ever, and are far more politically indoctrinated than any former population, but actual, useful, repeatable knowledge? Not so much. Wanna know how to hack a cell phone or pirate a movie? Yeah, any of them can do it. Want to know history or its lessons? Good luck trying to find one who even knows who was on which side of the fire hoses back in the sixties, let alone what started any of the wars or anything about economics. Don't even get me started on basic math or science. You want to compare basic math and science to the average 19 year old people at any time in history? You'd be sorely disappointed. |
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Quoted: I'm curious how our kids at that age compare, as it pertains to general knowledge, to their contemporaries over the last 200 years. I suspect they are far, far, far more informed than ANY other time in history. Informed yes, but with a lot of worthless crap. |
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Then what do we do with 80-90% that fail the test? Quoted:
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No wonder the Dems love the celebries to back them. Those were easy questions, they need to take the test for citizenship to get out of high school. Then what do we do with 80-90% that fail the test? Give them driver's licenses and free healthcare while the citizens pay for it all. 
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Quoted: You guys have a point, but not knowing who we declared independence from is just stupid. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: While the knowledge being tested is interesting, it isn't useful to a college student. Aside from being able to say they know it, what *benefit* is derived from knowing it, for them, specifically. Even Einstein argued against retention of useless facts. Of course, he also argued against college education, in general. I'll go with this You guys have a point, but not knowing who we declared independence from is just stupid. Also, knowing who won the Civil War, and why it was fought is very very important as the ramification of that struggle still effect US politics today. The fact that they don't know who won also tells me they don't know why it was fought, why it caused the growth of the federal government, and how it led to the civil rights movement. Plus, they are still chock full of useless celebrity facts. |
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Informed yes, but with a lot of worthless crap. Quoted:
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I'm curious how our kids at that age compare, as it pertains to general knowledge, to their contemporaries over the last 200 years. I suspect they are far, far, far more informed than ANY other time in history. Informed yes, but with a lot of worthless crap. I would argue that knowing a bunch of objectively useless facts about history is equally worthless, in the grand scheme of things. |
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Why don't you take the Harvard Entrance Exam from the 1800's and get back to me on how much smarter we've gotten. Quoted:
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That was 2 years ago. People have gotten smarter. Why don't you take the Harvard Entrance Exam from the 1800's and get back to me on how much smarter we've gotten. The same time period when only about 70 percent of Americans could even fucking read? When people who were even intellectually capable of attending college were a statistically insignificant portion of the populace? |
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You want to compare basic math and science to the average 19 year old people at any time in history? You'd be sorely disappointed. Quoted:
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I'm curious how our kids at that age compare, as it pertains to general knowledge, to their contemporaries over the last 200 years. I suspect they are far, far, far more informed than ANY other time in history. I'm sure they know more trivia than any people ever, and are far more politically indoctrinated than any former population, but actual, useful, repeatable knowledge? Not so much. Wanna know how to hack a cell phone or pirate a movie? Yeah, any of them can do it. Want to know history or its lessons? Good luck trying to find one who even knows who was on which side of the fire hoses back in the sixties, let alone what started any of the wars or anything about economics. Don't even get me started on basic math or science. You want to compare basic math and science to the average 19 year old people at any time in history? You'd be sorely disappointed. Yea... see, here's the problem with that. In, say 1800, most people were farmers and that's all they ever would be. They might have a 160 IQ and they would still spend their days plowing fields, shoveling manure, and harvesting crops. They had little time and little need to study math and science. But the people being questioned are not factory workers and truck drivers, (I've done both in my time so no insult is intended to either profession.) they are college students. They aren't in a trade school, they are college students which means they are supposed to be the best and brightest. They are supposed to have had to compete for the privilege of getting that four year education. And they don't know some of the most basic stuff. It's not a question of not knowing what war was ended by the Treaty of Ghent (although they all should know that) it's a question of not knowing anything about the most basic parts of American history. If they don't know this stuff then they have no business being in a college. it would be like someone studying for the priesthood not knowing how Jesus died. It would be like a medical student not knowing what the heart did. It's the basic prep work you need to be qualified to be there and they don't have it. |
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While the knowledge being tested is interesting, it isn't useful to a college student. Aside from being able to say they know it, what *benefit* is derived from knowing it, for them, specifically. Even Einstein argued against retention of useless facts. Of course, he also argued against college education, in general. But what show snooky is on and brad pitts wives are? |
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Yea... see, here's the problem with that. In, say 1800, most people were farmers and that's all they ever would be. They might have a 160 IQ and they would still spend their days plowing fields, shoveling manure, and harvesting crops. They had little time and little need to study math and science. But the people being questioned are not factory workers and truck drivers, (I've done both in my time so no insult is intended to either profession.) they are college students. They aren't in a trade school, they are college students which means they are supposed to be the best and brightest. They are supposed to have had to compete for the privilege of getting that four year education. And they don't know some of the most basic stuff. It's not a question of not knowing what war was ended by the Treaty of Ghent (although they all should know that) it's a question of not knowing anything about the most basic parts of American history. If they don't know this stuff then they have no business being in a college. it would be like someone studying for the priesthood not knowing how Jesus died. It would be like a medical student not knowing what the heart did. It's the basic prep work you need to be qualified to be there and they don't have it. Quoted:
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I'm curious how our kids at that age compare, as it pertains to general knowledge, to their contemporaries over the last 200 years. I suspect they are far, far, far more informed than ANY other time in history. I'm sure they know more trivia than any people ever, and are far more politically indoctrinated than any former population, but actual, useful, repeatable knowledge? Not so much. Wanna know how to hack a cell phone or pirate a movie? Yeah, any of them can do it. Want to know history or its lessons? Good luck trying to find one who even knows who was on which side of the fire hoses back in the sixties, let alone what started any of the wars or anything about economics. Don't even get me started on basic math or science. You want to compare basic math and science to the average 19 year old people at any time in history? You'd be sorely disappointed. Yea... see, here's the problem with that. In, say 1800, most people were farmers and that's all they ever would be. They might have a 160 IQ and they would still spend their days plowing fields, shoveling manure, and harvesting crops. They had little time and little need to study math and science. But the people being questioned are not factory workers and truck drivers, (I've done both in my time so no insult is intended to either profession.) they are college students. They aren't in a trade school, they are college students which means they are supposed to be the best and brightest. They are supposed to have had to compete for the privilege of getting that four year education. And they don't know some of the most basic stuff. It's not a question of not knowing what war was ended by the Treaty of Ghent (although they all should know that) it's a question of not knowing anything about the most basic parts of American history. If they don't know this stuff then they have no business being in a college. it would be like someone studying for the priesthood not knowing how Jesus died. It would be like a medical student not knowing what the heart did. It's the basic prep work you need to be qualified to be there and they don't have it. Those are, quite possibly, the most ignorant and incorrectly applied comparisons I have EVER read on the internet, which is really saying something. I could not possibly care less whether, or not, my heart surgeon could tell me who participated in the Civil war, who won, when it was fought or where any of the battles took place. I couldn't give two squirts of piss whether, or not, my Pastor could tell me that we gained independence from England, who the founders were or when we did it. They are WHOLLY useless facts about history. They are ONLY important to people like you because you use them as the basis of the depth of someone's "patriotism" or their "understanding" of America, which is fucking stupid. College is no longer the elite bastion of liberal education it once was, nor should it be. It is a place to further direct studies to a more focused discipline after the framework of basic education is gained. Knowing nothing about American history will not hinder a surgeon. Nor will it keep a Pastor from tending his flock. Is history a large facet of a well educated person? Sure. Is American history so important to an education that anyone who doesn't have a solid grasp of it can be dismissed as "dumb" or "uneducated?" Surely not. To imply that such generally useless information is the "cornerstone" of college preparatory coursework is as stupid as it is incorrect. |
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But what show snooky is on and brad pitts wives are? Quoted:
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While the knowledge being tested is interesting, it isn't useful to a college student. Aside from being able to say they know it, what *benefit* is derived from knowing it, for them, specifically. Even Einstein argued against retention of useless facts. Of course, he also argued against college education, in general. But what show snooky is on and brad pitts wives are? The funny thing about that is, even *I* know the answers to those questions and I'm as far removed from pop culture as a person can reasonably be in the US. The populace is INUNDATED with that kind of trivia on a 24/7 basis. Anyone who watches a few hours of mindless prime time TV every week should be able to answer those questions, even if the answers don't really interest them. Hell, anyone who stands in line at the grocery store and bothers to notice the tabloids can answer those questions. EVEN HELL-ER just about 90 percent of ARFCom could answer those questions by using nothing other than the threads posted in GD. |