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Posted: 6/2/2003 11:38:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 11:46:56 AM EDT
Maybe I'm odd here, but that doesn't seem like too much of a problem to me. Me or someone else in the lifeboat? Hmmm, let me think about that for a second. SPLASH! Paddle,Paddle,Paddle...
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 11:55:07 AM EDT
DF: I agree with your analysis on this point. I remember when I was a kid, another kid would ask, "If you were on a cliff with Jesus and your Mom, and they were both about to fall, which one would you save?" I objected, because, first of all I was 7. I didn't have the capacity to rescue a full-grown adult. Second, why was I on a cliff with Jesus and my Mom anyway? Third, wouldn't God take care of both of them? The question is a trick, because either way you answer, you're wrong - you don't love Jesus or you don't love Mom. The lifeboat example is similar. Why isn't there a larger one? Why are this guy and I the only ones around? Philosophers hate cynincs, I think.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 12:28:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 12:43:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/2/2003 12:44:51 PM EDT by DzlBenz]
Yeah, it's designed, intentionally, to force the responder to betray his selfishness. Even your lifeboat example does this. Scenario 1 - You take the lifeboat. You are selfish for wanting to live at the risk of the other guy's life. Scenario 2 - You give the lifeboat to the other guy. You are selfish because you value your moral standing more than your mortal life. What people think of you is more valuable to you than your own life, so you are an egotistical ass. I took a course in professional ethics a couple of years back. Most of the class was engineering students, although there were a couple of journalists and a med student or two. I was, by far, the oldest - older than the lecturer, in fact. The youngsters were largely of the symapthetic, do-gooder mentality, and their classroom discussion showed as much. They would typically give the answer that they thought would paint themselves as a "good person" in the eyes of others, regardless if their response reflected their true thoughts. I always had great fun by manipulating the discussion to point out the absurdidty of the typical rhetorical question. This gave the lecturer - an out-of-work programmer - endless fits. He countered by ripping me on my papers. I think he was just pissed because I had a job, I wasn't impressed by his curious credentials, I was a better writer than he, and he suffered from short man's disease. Most philosophical arguments break down quickly under objective scrutiny. Under cynical inspection, the careful observer will be able to detect what type of response the question is meant to illicit, and can nullify the query. If you're lucky, you can even turn the question around to shake the confidence of the questioner. Heh.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 1:32:26 PM EDT
some see the glass as half empty. some see the glass as half full... ...i say the glass is too big. -george carlin
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 1:38:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pbrstreetgang: some see the glass as half empty. some see the glass as half full... ...i say the glass is too big. -george carlin
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[b][red]I[/red][/b] say that I'm leaving before somebody has to wash the damn thing.-echo6 echo6
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 2:01:04 PM EDT
If I were on a cliff with Jesus and my mom and both were about to fall, I'd grab my mom. Jesus is God and he can save himself. He could also save my mom, but that's who I'd grab. It wouldn't mean I love Jesus any less, just that I have faith that he can float on air.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 2:06:01 PM EDT
He who frames the question wins the debate.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 2:06:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pbrstreetgang: some see the glass as half empty. some see the glass as half full... ...i say the glass is too big. -george carlin
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I say it's time for another round. Nurse! More gin here, stat!
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 2:07:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: He who f[red]l[/red]ames the question[red]er[/red] wins the debate.
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Link Posted: 6/2/2003 2:09:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: He who f[red]l[/red]ames the question[red]er[/red] wins the debate.
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[LOLabove]
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 2:13:24 PM EDT
"What is the airspeed velocity of a unladen swallow" "African or European?" "What? I don't know-AYEEEE!"
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 3:34:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: He who f[red]l[/red]ames the question[red]er[/red] wins the debate.
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holy $hit! LOL! [ROFL2]
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