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Posted: 5/29/2003 1:15:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 1:18:33 PM EDT
Terrifying is the understatement of the century. I can't believe this was written by an American. What an uneducated drone.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 1:26:33 PM EDT
Promoting socialism
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 1:30:53 PM EDT
What a nut....these knuckleheads live in a fantasy world. I doubt they are uneducated....probably unemployed TRUST FUND brats w/ a masters degree from UC Berkley or UNC Chapel Hill.... I say, ship them to the middle east.... -hs
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 1:30:58 PM EDT
What this dim bulb doesn't realize is that fully 30-35% of the US population would ACTIVELY FIGHT the implementation of this trash. I think it is kinda funny! There are plenty of countries that have this stuff, MOVE THERE! Hurry! Before they change!
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 1:31:04 PM EDT
ya, those screwballs that wrote the REAL constitution had no idea what they were doing, lets fix it................ [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 1:38:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 1:39:22 PM EDT
Those douchebags still have yet to grasp the fact that the constitution they so hate, is the same one that has provided them the freedom to discuss things of this nature. People holding views this radical would immediately be crushed in societies less fortunate than our own.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 1:43:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:06:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: Terrifying is the understatement of the century.
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Geez, you ain't kiddin'! What the hell are these people smoking?
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:08:44 PM EDT
idiots and their utopia. laughable. TXL
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:12:42 PM EDT
I think DU represents the extreme lunatic fringe of the dem party, not the mainstream. I just spent the weekend with a large bunch of relatives at a family reunion in SC who are 90% democrats, and I guarantee you that none of them would change the constitution from what it is.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:16:06 PM EDT
10. The USA may not engage in offensive wars or keep a standing army except to guard its borders or to keep peace in the world with the permission of the UN. 11. Treason is decriminalized, although crimes against humanity are not. 12. I'm debating this with myself: trials are by a judge or a panel of judges rather than by jury. 13. The powers of the federal governments and the states are clearly defined, and except for a few issues where the states have exclusive jurisdiction, federal law overrides state law.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:19:21 PM EDT
There are those who would not only accept but encourage such measures if proposed by a republican and were phased in over 10 years.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:21:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Emoto: I think DU represents the extreme lunatic fringe of the dem party, not the mainstream. I just spent the weekend with a large bunch of relatives at a family reunion in SC who are 90% democrats, and I guarantee you that none of them would change the constitution from what it is.
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You're probably right, but by the same token it seems as if the Democratic Party is being defined by these weirdos more and more. Look at the lengths of political lunacy they are being taken to just in order to secure their Leftist base! Another thing: You may find right-wing nutcases here in America, but they do NOT identify themselves as Republicans, nor do Republicans hang out with them. The Socialists/Communists over at DUh DO identify themselves as DEMOCRATS. The fact remains that the Left's looney fringe is deemed far more acceptable to the Democrats than the far-right fringe is to the Republicans. The fact that this is becoming more and more clear is, IMO, part of the reason we see the Democratic party disintegrating before our eyes. ...AND I LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF IT! [:D]
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:22:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:23:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: There are those who would not only accept but encourage such measures if proposed by a republican and were phased in over 10 years.
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Ah, yes.....another brilliant pearl-of-wisdom drive-by by the ever-optimistic Imbroglio. He won't be happy unless HE'S appointed Dictator for Life. Only HE has the answers.... [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:30:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:33:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Chaingun: Promoting socialism
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You are exactly right. I have sudied Chinese law and its almost a mirror image!
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:37:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 3:44:15 PM EDT
The person who wrote that, without question, is insane. Bunny
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 3:55:04 PM EDT
That is one scary proposition.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 3:57:51 PM EDT
Asswipes like that would have to be among the first dragged into the streets and....ahhh, never mind. We all know nothing like that could ever happen. Right?
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 8:40:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sylvan: 14. No gun rights (both Congress and the States may restrict firearms and explosives).
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I was thinking about this last night.... If their new constitution has "no gun rights", does that mean that they acknowledge that the current Constitution DOES guarantee the RKBA? If they DON'T acknowledge that, then why use the word "rights"? Why not simply say "All firearms are illegal" or simply remain silent on the issue? WHY THE EMPHASIS IF WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THE RIGHT, ANYWAY? I think the moron who prepared that abortion of a document may have stepped on his crank on this one! Hee-hee! [:D]
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 8:55:04 AM EDT
scary I agree with one point, making election day a national holiday. Thats the ONLY thing.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 8:57:41 AM EDT
Back in the good old days, before they became a protected species, this type of person would have been tarred and feathered, and ridden out of town, on a rail!!!
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 9:10:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86: Back in the good old days, before they became a protected species, this type of person would have been tarred and feathered, and ridden out of town, on a rail!!!
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Man, I'd PAY to see that! Looks like those idiots don't quite dig the 1st Amendment, either:
allshookup (70 posts) May-29-03, 03:33 PM (ET) Reply to post #23 28. I could get behind this [red]ban campaign advertising[/red]. Require the various media to post candidates and their platforms as a public service. Debates and speaches are permitted. Sample ballots with platforms of all candidates may be distributed at campaign headquarters and posted in libraries and post offices. [red]No TV, no radio, no print ads. Just the facts jack.[/red] That should vastly diminish the need for fund raising which kills the nature of political favors in payment for contributions. Get rid of the federal money and only allow personal contributions of a maximum of $10 (inflation adjusted). That should cover transportation and printing costs. [red]Smear tactics are prohibited (media are exampted).[/red] Candidates only allowed to speak to their platforms. [red]Violations result in elimination from the slate.[/red] And why not throw in a truth in advertising proviso. Immediate recall and revocation of privilidge to run in the future and only to be exempted by 3/4 popular vote (in case circumstances change drastically and beyond candidates control). Drop the monitary qualifications for candidacy. Signature provisions are OK.
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Can you believe this idiot? EXEMPT THE MEDIA? Oh, yeah, right. I'm going to let CNN have full-run on lies that my candidate is forbidden to reply to...
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 9:15:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By gaspain: scary I agree with one point, making election day a national holiday. Thats the ONLY thing.
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Nope! If you're not motivated to go to work AND hit the polls, I don't want you voting.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 9:35:14 AM EDT
uh huh...have you ever thought that I could not get away from work. Jeezus...
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 9:36:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Torf:
Originally Posted By gaspain: scary I agree with one point, making election day a national holiday. Thats the ONLY thing.
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Nope! If you're not motivated to go to work AND hit the polls, I don't want you voting.
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I agree with you, Torf. The only reason they want to make it a holiday is so the lazy assess (i.e. - Democrats) get to the polls. About the only thing in that "constitution" I agree with is the truth-in-advertising-in-election-campaigns part. OTOH, I know for a fact it would be IMPOSSIBLE to enforce. Besides, if you want to be a liar, I guess that's your right, too. Just don't expect me to vote for you if you lie straight to my face...
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 9:39:48 AM EDT
11. Treason is decriminalized....
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It already is. The oath taken by our beloved politicans states that they will protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foriegn and domestic. However, they still introduce bills to destroy the very Constitution that they swore to protect, thus breaking their oath, therefore TREASON. How? Any anti-gun bill is a fine example. Sen. Dianne Fienstein, D-CA. stated that if the votes were there, she would have introduced a bill to have all firearms banned. How's that for an anti-American, anti-constitution, TREASONOUS act? What about punishment for it? There is none, it goes unpunished, and unrecognized as treason. Sorry to have semi-hijacked your thread Sylvan, I'm just ranting on the treason part because I belive all anti-gun politicans are borderlining on treason. CC
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 9:57:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By gaspain: uh huh...have you ever thought that I could not get away from work. Jeezus...
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No, usually the polls open at 7am and are open until 7pm, and absentee ballots are readily available. Most employers are willing to allow their employees time to vote. Don't you ever take a lunch break? Can't you take a 1/2 day off? Can't you put in for a vacation day? The way I see it. You have no excuse not to vote, unless it isn't a priority. What the hell on earth kind of job do you work that would prevent you from voting? [BS]
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:04:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86: Back in the good old days, before they became a protected species, this type of person would have been tarred and feathered, and ridden out of town, on a rail!!!
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These days they'd have to tar and styrofoam popcorn them. Not too many feather pillows anymore. Sorta like Naugahide wallets. Must be Naugas are on the endangered species list or something.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:15:10 AM EDT
Interesting. First off...they ain't Democrats...they are Socialists. I think it fairly accurately clarifies the thinking processes of those progressives (socialists) that hang out over at the DU. Clearly this person has little knowledge of and no respect for democracy and the freedoms that we all share. Nor does he/she understand how we acheived our freedoms and the long process of combining various historical thesis, religious canons and laws, philosophies, beliefs, tenets and laws to get to where we are today. Rather, I think this guy/gal is a frustrated social-anarchist who really beieves the center of power ought NOT to be with a truly representative government but rather a tyranny of the masses. Sort of an oligarchy of the many. What he/she suggests would live a short and truly violent life. We would sink into the abyss of dictatorship when the "system" collapsed.
1. Congress is a unicameral legislature of 400 members elected by proportional representation. My current idea is to have voting by lists, like in most of Continental Europe, with a threshold of 2% below which no party can get into Congress even though it might otherwise get up to 8 seats.
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Ahh...we need to take all power from those "Red" states and give it to the truly understanding among us...the liberals who live in the densely populated "Blue" states. NYC, Chicago and LA know what's best for America anyway! Who the hell cares what those rednecks in Muskogee, Ames, Oshkosh, Redding, Huntsville and Butte have to say anyway!
2. The President is elected by at-large voting with approval vote; i.e., each voter can vote for as many or as few candidates as he wishes to vote for, and the candidate winning the highest approval rate gets into office.
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Sure...this would work well. Pop culture run rampant. Let's let the mob rule. Hell...eminem could get elected under this system. Why don't we just let all the HS kids elect the president anyway. None of us Old Farts knows jack shit anyway!
3. There are universal voting rights for all citizens aged 18 or above.
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What is your meaning of "universal"? Citizens of the United States over age 18 are already granted the franchise. Hmmmm...could it be that this moron wants the 'grints to be able to vote too? (See below on open borders.)
4. There are guaranteed rights to education until the end of high school, free health care, and access to information.
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All you have to do is get your lazy ass up and go to school. It's free anyway! That is the beauty of our great (paid-for) public school system junior! Just GO! Free health care? Why? Why should I pay for mine and my families health care AND for yours too? [b]Access to information?[/b]Gotta think about that one for a minute...not sure what you mean.
5. Amendments require a majority of 3/4s in Congress and a ratification of a majority of the voters in a referendum.
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I think I know what you mean in that poorly written sentence...and again, mob rule. The tyranny of the masses is just as dangerous as the tyranny of the individual or the oligarchy.
6. The Tuesday between 11/2 and 11/8 every year inclusive is election day and is a public holiday.
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Why? Why bribe us with a day off? It is our civic duty to vote.
7. A petition of 2% of the eligible voters may initiate legislation in Congress or pass a bill to a referendum; unless a majority of 3/4s in Congress blocks the proposal, a member of Congress may pass a bill to a referendum.
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Ahhhh...NOW we are TRULY getting to the heart of the matter: [B]THE TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY![/B] This way, a tiny minority of the population...say a few socialists like yourselves could REALLY gum up the democratic engine if you so chose. No more letting us "Red Staters" tell YOU what to do huh?
8. The presidential veto power is eliminated, and Congress has to approve of the president's cabinet nominations (the idea is that both the executive and the legislative branches will be ruled by coalitions).
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Yes...we can't have another branch of the government getting in the way of your "representative" legislature can we? We certainly wouldn't want a president vetoing any looney laws being issued by the minority power you have vested in the new legislature you have designed above. While we're at it, why don't we just disband the Supreme Court too? No wait...you have a better plan below!
9. Judges are nominated not by the President plus Congress but by the support of three of the following: the Cabinet, Congress, the American Bar Association, and the National Lawyers' Guild.
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Nothing like packing that court huh? Now you have completed the grand plan. This arrangement would ensure that the "Party" retains power NO MATTER WHAT.
10. The USA may not engage in offensive wars or keep a standing army except to guard its borders or to keep peace in the world with the permission of the UN.
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Well, methinks you're going to need a larger "Army" than you think...not because of outside dangers, rather in order to ensure that you continue to enslave "We The People" from within. Gotta keep those rednecks from getting too restless. Of course, the prison system will have to be greatly enlarged to provide sites for re-education of those among us charged with counterrevolutionary thought and deeds. We could call it a [b]Gulag[/b].
11. Treason is decriminalized, although crimes against humanity are not.
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Won't work. Since "treason" is a crime against the People (Party) and since by definition, people are humanity, treason will have to remain on the books...if only to take care of those pesky counterrevolutionaries who endanger the State.
12. I'm debating this with myself: trials are by a judge or a panel of judges rather than by jury.
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Best to have "jury" trials...juries to be made up of loyal Party members, with a "good" judge presiding. You might wish to review the "trials" conducted in France after the 1789 revolution and those conducted against Soviet Army officers in the '30s. Beware though...remember what happened to Robespierre when the Jacobins decided he'd served the State well enough! They say Mdm. le Guillotine is rather messy.
13. The powers of the federal governments and the states are clearly defined, and except for a few issues where the states have exclusive jurisdiction, federal law overrides state law.
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Yes, in order to make your system work, we must turn that pesky Constitution on it's head. We must reverse the priority of the 9th and 10th Amendments in order to vest full power in the Federal government, since as you well know, without that overwhelming power, your system would be unable to [legally] overcome the ultimate counterrevolution!
14. No gun rights (both Congress and the States may restrict firearms and explosives).
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Absolutely. A sine quo non for any dictatorial government. We can't have a gun-toting public taking up arms to free itself from the tyranny of the anarchic socialists. This would have to be the FIRST thing you did.
15. The bill of rights is more comprehensive and includes the explicit right to privacy, the right of a person over his own body, the right of a woman to terminate her pregnancy, and freedom of thought and conscience.
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I don't even need to address this last one... [bs2]
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:16:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:39:09 AM EDT
Ya I suppose the absentee ballot is there.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 11:01:16 AM EDT
It sounds as if they want to put all of their faith in the Federal Government and allow their fate to be determined by a Judge or panel of Judges. Aren't these the same people that hate/ fear the federal goverment? Why I the world would they want to give them more power?
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 11:35:18 AM EDT
Remeber that these people have an odd belief that we do not share. They believe that wealth (and the power that springs from it) is like a perpetual talking stick, which can be passed around to whomever feels like talking next. Need something, take if from a comrade who has two, if he complains, he's mislead and needs re-education. If enough people complain, we the government, will re-appropriate as we see fit! Thus, wealth never goes away, it just gets reassigned. They don't believe that wealth can be squandered to the point of disappearing altogether, and therefore don't feel that it needs protection. They believe that the bees and ants got it right when discussing social structure and behavior. It's quite effective for them, but then again, they're insects.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 11:39:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DriftPunch: They believe that the bees and ants got it right when discussing social structure and behavior. It's quite effective for them, but then again, they're insects.
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HeeHee!
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