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6/22/2016 11:45:08 PM EDT
Sounds dirty

Anyway, I've watched these videos and cannot figure out how they're racking the slide like they do. Does he have a 4lb recoil spring or something?


6/22/2016 11:57:45 PM EDT
[#1]
"Cool guy" BS!   Not a gross motor skill.  No incoming fire on a flat range, so "fine motor skill" is never lost.
6/23/2016 12:01:53 AM EDT
[#2]
Bullshit gimmick for training classes.  Slide serrations are there for a reason.
6/23/2016 12:20:15 AM EDT
[#3]
I was curious and tried it with a couple different full sized pistols.

Not happening and even if it did it definitely wouldn't look that easy

6/23/2016 12:40:10 AM EDT
[#4]
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I was curious and tried it with a couple different full sized pistols.

Not happening and even if it did it definitely wouldn't look that easy

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Reduced rate recoil springs to reduce/eliminate muzzle dip when the slide returns to battery helps.  

Here's his Glock modification package although that didn't look like a Glock and the front of the slide looked smooth.

Dude's way better than I'll ever be but I'm not interested in getting my dick beaters that close to the muzzle.
6/23/2016 12:43:14 AM EDT
[#5]
I prefer to keep my hand away from the muzzle when charging a weapon.
6/23/2016 12:48:05 AM EDT
[#6]
Looks like a good way to turn a simple stoppage into a more complicated one when case or round slams into your hand and goes back down into the gun during a tap-rack-bang.

6/23/2016 12:54:14 AM EDT
[#7]
In this thread: People who don't know who Frank Proctor is.
6/23/2016 12:58:46 AM EDT
[#8]
When you have a semi auto pistol recoil spring which is looking at 20-30 thousand rounds fired, it gets soft.

Then you replace it.
6/23/2016 1:21:43 AM EDT
[#9]
Not everyone has weak little girly hands and no grip strength.

If you'd been working one of those grip strength/stress release squeeze balls long enough, you'd be able to rack your slide that way, too.
6/23/2016 1:24:49 AM EDT
[#10]
A lot of wanna be "trainers" utilize weak springs and light loads.

This is especially common with ones that use 1911 type guns.

It's an easy way to pretend like you have skills.
6/23/2016 1:26:39 AM EDT
[#11]
OP THIS IS GOING TO COST YOU YOU'RE LIFE..... POTENTIALLY!!!









ARE YOU SUICIDAL!!!???!?!?!??!! DID YOU NOT LAUGH WITH THE OTHER OPERATORS?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!!?!? Our country is f-cked!
6/23/2016 1:27:34 AM EDT
[#12]

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A lot of wanna be "trainers" utilize weak springs and light loads.



This is especially common with ones that use 1911 type guns.



It's an easy way to pretend like you have skills.
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What do you mean, them-type of guns? Aren't you being a bit calibracist?
6/23/2016 1:28:45 AM EDT
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Yessir

 
6/23/2016 1:35:39 AM EDT
[#14]
My old co-worker (a gunsmith) had meaty hands and forearms. He made racking the stiffest slide look easy.  Just like that guy. Then he'd hand the gun to me and I'd show off my pussy hands. The dude could probably crumble concrete with his bare hands!
6/23/2016 1:40:00 AM EDT
[#15]
to each their own, I wouldn't do this because a) my shtf gun is a glock 34 and the big cut out on the top of the slide could make this weird, b) battlefield pick up might be ported, c) hands away from muzzle when there are more important things to worry about = good.
6/23/2016 2:29:41 AM EDT
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6/23/2016 3:41:52 AM EDT
[#17]
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to each their own, I wouldn't do this because a) my shtf gun is a glock 34 and the big cut out on the top of the slide could make this weird, b) battlefield pick up might be ported, c) hands away from muzzle when there are more important things to worry about = good.
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You actually plan for this outcome? Not knocking it all, just curious (for my own reasons)as to why it would be mentioned at all even.
6/23/2016 3:46:18 AM EDT
[#18]
I do it with bone stock Glocks and 1911s.



6/23/2016 4:01:27 AM EDT
[#19]
I must be watching the rack wrong. All I see is him using the web of his hand in kind of a C grip instead of pinching it.
6/23/2016 4:02:01 AM EDT
[#20]
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Bullshit gimmick for training classes.  Slide serrations are there for a reason.
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Yep.
6/23/2016 5:19:52 AM EDT
[#21]
I've seen a few instructors do it that way.
6/23/2016 5:38:43 AM EDT
[#22]
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to each their own, I wouldn't do this because a) my shtf gun is a glock 34 and the big cut out on the top of the slide could make this weird, b) battlefield pick up might be ported, c) hands away from muzzle when there are more important things to worry about = good.
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6/23/2016 5:43:08 AM EDT
[#23]
Youtube money is serious business.

Gotta keep up with the Jones'
6/23/2016 6:02:40 AM EDT
[#24]
Well, now my thumb hurts from getting hung up next to the extractor on my G17
I can see some benefit to it, but the chance of missing a good grip under stress, slipping due to sweat, blood, or even dust, and my hand being that close to the muzzle... I'll stick with the slingshot.





Hopefully my battlefield pickups aren't ported so I won't burn my hand with hot gas while I rack the slide while I shoot



ETA: I know Haley does this technique, as do I, for press checks... it works well for that. But I don't think I like for malfunctions and such.
 
6/23/2016 6:05:13 AM EDT
[#25]
That's a first for me.  I can see a lot of future ER visits for newer shooters.
6/23/2016 11:13:46 AM EDT
[#26]
Frank goes into detail about it here. Warning, it's a long video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw8cWNj3qQ4
6/23/2016 11:35:12 AM EDT
[#27]
He is likely better now than I will ever be.


BUT


Right handed shooters are fighting gravity when clearing malfunctions with this technique.


I don't want to fight gravity.  Doing so has never turned out well for me.
6/23/2016 11:52:09 AM EDT
[#28]

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A lot of wanna be "trainers" utilize weak springs and light loads.



This is especially common with ones that use 1911 type guns.



It's an easy way to pretend like you have skills.
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Seeing as you're bad-mouthing Frank you must not know who he is...



To address the OP,




I can manipulate my slide like he does with no problem, and have been for over a year. It's much faster in terms of getting your support hand back into position to fire.




I have a stock m&p 9mm (except for some sights) and I have no problem racking the slide the way he does with the webbing of his thumb.




If you practice correctly your hand is never flagged by the muzzle.
6/24/2016 3:39:42 AM EDT
[#29]
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I do it with bone stock Glocks and 1911s.



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Need video proof

6/24/2016 3:40:57 AM EDT
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Well, now my thumb hurts from getting hung up next to the extractor on my G17

I can see some benefit to it, but the chance of missing a good grip under stress, slipping due to sweat, blood, or even dust, and my hand being that close to the muzzle... I'll stick with the slingshot.

Hopefully my battlefield pickups aren't ported so I won't burn my hand with hot gas while I rack the slide while I shoot

ETA: I know Haley does this technique, as do I, for press checks... it works well for that. But I don't think I like for malfunctions and such.
 
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Well, I heard you work on your "grip" quite a bit










6/24/2016 3:43:16 AM EDT
[#31]
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  Seeing as you're bad-mouthing Frank you must not know who he is...

To address the OP,


I can manipulate my slide like he does with no problem, and have been for over a year. It's much faster in terms of getting your support hand back into position to fire.


I have a stock m&p 9mm (except for some sights) and I have no problem racking the slide the way he does with the webbing of his thumb.


If you practice correctly your hand is never flagged by the muzzle.

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A lot of wanna be "trainers" utilize weak springs and light loads.

This is especially common with ones that use 1911 type guns.

It's an easy way to pretend like you have skills.

  Seeing as you're bad-mouthing Frank you must not know who he is...

To address the OP,


I can manipulate my slide like he does with no problem, and have been for over a year. It's much faster in terms of getting your support hand back into position to fire.


I have a stock m&p 9mm (except for some sights) and I have no problem racking the slide the way he does with the webbing of his thumb.


If you practice correctly your hand is never flagged by the muzzle.



OK

I mean I get it, obviously it can be done (although to be honest I'm still not sure exactly how they're doing it)

What I don't get is how it looks so effortless especially when they do it in his videos
6/24/2016 3:43:49 AM EDT
[#32]
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OP THIS IS GOING TO COST YOU YOU'RE LIFE..... POTENTIALLY!!!





ARE YOU SUICIDAL!!!???!?!?!??!! DID YOU NOT LAUGH WITH THE OTHER OPERATORS?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!!?!? Our country is f-cked!
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You are scaring me
6/24/2016 3:45:06 AM EDT
[#33]
Looks like a good way to shoot off a finger.






*I am not an "operator".
6/24/2016 3:57:53 AM EDT
[#34]
It's a popular method amongst the IPSC crowd.
Fast and easy, but not something I have adopted, never found it comfortable and firm grip.
6/24/2016 4:04:30 AM EDT
[#35]
The recoil spring, and the rest of my Sig P220 in 10MM laughs at this technique.
6/24/2016 4:06:08 AM EDT
[#36]
That is what front serrations are for.


It is not ideal for clearing anything more then a dud unless a gun has an extended or ambi slide stop.
6/24/2016 4:13:35 AM EDT
[#37]

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  Seeing as you're bad-mouthing Frank you must not know who he is...




To address the OP,





I can manipulate my slide like he does with no problem, and have been for over a year. It's much faster in terms of getting your support hand back into position to fire.





I have a stock m&p 9mm (except for some sights) and I have no problem racking the slide the way he does with the webbing of his thumb.





If you practice correctly your hand is never flagged by the muzzle.

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Quoted:

A lot of wanna be "trainers" utilize weak springs and light loads.



This is especially common with ones that use 1911 type guns.



It's an easy way to pretend like you have skills.


  Seeing as you're bad-mouthing Frank you must not know who he is...




To address the OP,





I can manipulate my slide like he does with no problem, and have been for over a year. It's much faster in terms of getting your support hand back into position to fire.





I have a stock m&p 9mm (except for some sights) and I have no problem racking the slide the way he does with the webbing of his thumb.





If you practice correctly your hand is never flagged by the muzzle.

I do it with a stock G17, G23 and my Sig 1911. I guess some folks have weak hands.

 
6/24/2016 4:23:43 AM EDT
[#38]
I press check like this but outside of the gaming need for speed like in IPSC and other competitions. I don't see how this is needed for actual defensive training purposes ?
6/24/2016 4:34:14 AM EDT
[#39]
How many people that posted here are USPSA Grand Masters?

Frank is.
6/24/2016 4:40:16 AM EDT
[#40]
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Frank is.
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Well, you are in GD so...
6/24/2016 4:59:35 AM EDT
[#41]
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How many people that posted here are USPSA Grand Masters?

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Frank's the man, no doubt

Just can't wrap my head around the technique. He makes it appear to take no effort whatsoever.

Even on pistols that I can actually grip the slide that way it still takes some serious effort
6/24/2016 5:00:55 AM EDT
[#42]
Skaters grip tape and not being a wimp really help.


6/24/2016 5:07:30 AM EDT
[#43]
I swear to god, he and Costa must sit around all night getting drunk trying to think of weird grips and techniques and having bets how long will people believe them that it's the next best thing before someone tells them "you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded."
6/24/2016 6:02:38 AM EDT
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I swear to god, he and Costa must sit around all night getting drunk trying to think of weird grips and techniques and having bets how long will people believe them that it's the next best thing before someone tells them "you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded."
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Yep
6/24/2016 6:13:37 AM EDT
[#45]
Might be fine at the start of a day, but after a few mags, my guns start to warm up at the end with the hole in it.  I'd rather not get grill marks from my front slide serrations, unless I absolutely had to.
6/24/2016 8:12:12 AM EDT
[#46]
Not a fan of that technique.  Some folks at FLET-C teach something similar.  "Power stroking" is much stronger, faster, and more efficient.
6/24/2016 8:15:45 AM EDT
[#47]
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OK

I mean I get it, obviously it can be done (although to be honest I'm still not sure exactly how they're doing it)

What I don't get is how it looks so effortless especially when they do it in his videos
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A lot of wanna be "trainers" utilize weak springs and light loads.

This is especially common with ones that use 1911 type guns.

It's an easy way to pretend like you have skills.

  Seeing as you're bad-mouthing Frank you must not know who he is...

To address the OP,


I can manipulate my slide like he does with no problem, and have been for over a year. It's much faster in terms of getting your support hand back into position to fire.


I have a stock m&p 9mm (except for some sights) and I have no problem racking the slide the way he does with the webbing of his thumb.


If you practice correctly your hand is never flagged by the muzzle.



OK

I mean I get it, obviously it can be done (although to be honest I'm still not sure exactly how they're doing it)

What I don't get is how it looks so effortless especially when they do it in his videos


Practice makes perfection.
6/24/2016 8:18:06 AM EDT
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Not a fan of that technique.  Some folks at FLET-C teach something similar.  "Power stroking" is much stronger, faster, and more efficient.
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And you know someone will slip and take their thumb web out with the ejection port.
6/24/2016 8:23:34 AM EDT
[#49]
My Springfield .45 Super laughs at his technique.
6/24/2016 8:30:01 AM EDT
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It's a popular method amongst the IPSC crowd.

Fast and easy, but not something I have adopted, never found it comfortable and firm grip.
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It's how I rack.
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