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Posted: 6/20/2016 3:50:43 PM EDT
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Makes one wonder about other "events".
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Posted: 6/20/2016 3:51:10 PM EDT
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Cuba could have been dealt with at the bay of pigs, JFK was a weak president who's cabinet was comprised of equally weak yes men.
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Posted: 6/20/2016 3:51:43 PM EDT
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I don't believe anything to government says about anything, ever. Saves a lot of time.
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Posted: 6/20/2016 3:52:05 PM EDT
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Makes one wonder about other "events". Everyone that gets hammered and rammed down our throats but others that have fallen by the wayside. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 3:54:01 PM EDT
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FP dun NI
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Posted: 6/20/2016 3:54:57 PM EDT
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Makes one wonder about other "events". F&F cough cough |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 3:55:02 PM EDT
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link?
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:02:03 PM EDT
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Basically, it was planned false-flag terrorist attacks against the US civilian population and the military. The objective was to blame [insert resource-rich nation] and rally support for military action. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed this idea to the Kennedy administration. It was rejected that time, but this should enrage you. Added tinfoil. Also, here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#Origins_and_public_release 
PS. Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Deception_flight_.28Saturday.2C_15_April.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:03:26 PM EDT
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They should arrest everyone responsible! Oh wait. It was over 50 years ago. They're all dead. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:04:00 PM EDT
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They should arrest everyone responsible! Oh wait. It was over 50 years ago. They're all dead. And no doubt their nefarious mentality died with them! 
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:04:27 PM EDT
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Added tinfoil. Also, here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#Origins_and_public_release PS. Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Deception_flight_.28Saturday.2C_15_April.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Basically, it was planned false-flag terrorist attacks against the US civilian population and the military. The objective was to blame [insert resource-rich nation] and rally support for military action. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed this idea to the Kennedy administration. It was rejected that time, but this should enrage you. Added tinfoil. Also, here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#Origins_and_public_release PS. Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Deception_flight_.28Saturday.2C_15_April.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO Good links. You seemed to be well versed in disinformation. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:05:57 PM EDT
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Cuba could have been dealt with at the bay of pigs, JFK was a weak president who's cabinet was comprised of equally weak yes men. Corruption and adultery were the priorities. Much like when his alleged bastard son Bill Clinton was in office. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:07:10 PM EDT
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Makes one wonder about other "events". have they suggested something like this again and it wasn't rejected?and if they did would it ever come out like this or would it be hidden forever? |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:07:29 PM EDT
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And no doubt their nefarious mentality died with them! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should arrest everyone responsible! Oh wait. It was over 50 years ago. They're all dead. And no doubt their nefarious mentality died with them! And I suspect it was only declassified because JFK rejected the plan. I wonder when will we know about the plans JFK accepted - nevermind the covert actions approved by FGWB and FBHO, those we probably won't learn about in our lifetimes. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:14:39 PM EDT
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Cuba could have been dealt with at the bay of pigs, JFK was a weak president who's cabinet was comprised of equally weak yes men. Cuba already had operatating nuke launchers in case of invasion. Which American cities would you trade for "dealing" with Cuba? |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:18:41 PM EDT
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Cuba already had operatating nuke launchers in case of invasion. Which American cities would you trade for "dealing" with Cuba? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cuba could have been dealt with at the bay of pigs, JFK was a weak president who's cabinet was comprised of equally weak yes men. Cuba already had operatating nuke launchers in case of invasion. Which American cities would you trade for "dealing" with Cuba? Oh please, you're telling me that United States of America didn't have the military resources to neutralize those launchers? Who let those launchers be built in the first place? Oh yeah JFK. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:18:58 PM EDT
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Op, you appear to be extremely naive. It wasn't, ever, an operation, it was a study. I guarantee you there are studies for every conceivable scenario. Some are weird, some are scary.
But they are studies necessary because it's important to consider ways to accomplish things before actually doing them. If this was such a totalitarian, scary government, you'd have never heard of the paper. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:20:17 PM EDT
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Basically, it was planned false-flag terrorist attacks against the US civilian population and the military. The objective was to blame Cuba and rally support for military action against Cuba. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed this idea to the Kennedy administration. It was rejected, but this should enrage you. One of many pushed, including the bay of pigs. If you want your boss to pick your favorite project, you offer him a horrifically shitty one too. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:20:24 PM EDT
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They should arrest everyone responsible! Oh wait. It was over 50 years ago. They're all dead. Responsible for what? What was the crime? It's a study, not an operation in any sense of the word. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:21:11 PM EDT
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If this was such a totalitarian, scary government, you'd have never heard of the paper.
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:21:22 PM EDT
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For anyone interested, "The brothers" is one of the most fascinating books I have ever read about the period and what really led some of those decisions.
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:22:15 PM EDT
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If this was such a totalitarian, scary government, you'd have never heard of the paper.
Cute emoticon, zero substance. Typical. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:24:15 PM EDT
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Cute emoticon, zero substance. Typical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this was such a totalitarian, scary government, you'd have never heard of the paper.
Cute emoticon, zero substance. Typical. I'm sorry they didn't accept your study 
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:25:46 PM EDT
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Responsible for what? What was the crime? It's a study, not an operation in any sense of the word. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should arrest everyone responsible! Oh wait. It was over 50 years ago. They're all dead. Responsible for what? What was the crime? It's a study, not an operation in any sense of the word. You see, I was kinda making a joke. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:29:28 PM EDT
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OP, what did you think about the rest of Loose Change?
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:29:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Op, you appear to be extremely naive. It wasn't, ever, an operation, it was a study. I guarantee you there are studies for every conceivable scenario. Some are weird, some are scary. But they are studies necessary because it's important to consider ways to accomplish things before actually doing them. If this was such a totalitarian, scary government, you'd have never heard of the paper. See, it is all in how you look at it. When you start down the road of even considering such stuff, one can never really be sure. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:31:00 PM EDT
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Good links. You seemed to be well versed in disinformation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Basically, it was planned false-flag terrorist attacks against the US civilian population and the military. The objective was to blame [insert resource-rich nation] and rally support for military action. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed this idea to the Kennedy administration. It was rejected that time, but this should enrage you. Added tinfoil. Also, here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#Origins_and_public_release PS. Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Deception_flight_.28Saturday.2C_15_April.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO Good links. You seemed to be well versed in disinformation. 
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:33:35 PM EDT
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I'm sorry they didn't accept your study Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this was such a totalitarian, scary government, you'd have never heard of the paper.
Cute emoticon, zero substance. Typical. I'm sorry they didn't accept your study Zero substance and now lame humor attempt. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:35:05 PM EDT
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Zero substance and now lame humor attempt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this was such a totalitarian, scary government, you'd have never heard of the paper.
Cute emoticon, zero substance. Typical. I'm sorry they didn't accept your study Zero substance and now lame humor attempt. Perhaps next time if you submit a powerpoint... |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:36:09 PM EDT
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Direct link:
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf Read item 7 and down, especially 8A. There is the link to 9/11. 
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:45:46 PM EDT
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Cuba already had operatating nuke launchers in case of invasion. Which American cities would you trade for "dealing" with Cuba? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cuba could have been dealt with at the bay of pigs, JFK was a weak president who's cabinet was comprised of equally weak yes men. Cuba already had operatating nuke launchers in case of invasion. Which American cities would you trade for "dealing" with Cuba? No. The nukes and missiles were not deployed until after the Bay of Pigs invasion. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:47:41 PM EDT
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Perhaps next time if you submit a powerpoint... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this was such a totalitarian, scary government, you'd have never heard of the paper.
I'm sorry they didn't accept your study Zero substance and now lame humor attempt. Perhaps next time if you submit a powerpoint... And suddenly it's open mike night at chuckles. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:50:37 PM EDT
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Truthers can choke on unwashed homeless cock.
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Posted: 6/20/2016 4:58:49 PM EDT
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Truthers can choke on unwashed homeless cock. This is an accurate statement. There's nothing as repulsive as the unwarranted smugness of a true believer, who willingly accepts ever more bizarre theories as prior theories become untenable, as long as they get to believe the government did it. It's one thing to distrust the government. It's entirely another thing to decide to believe ANYTHING if the government is the bad guy. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 5:01:48 PM EDT
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Makes one wonder about other "events". Exactly. Some of the tinfoil hatters ideas are sounding more and more plausible. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 5:10:05 PM EDT
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I don't believe anything to government says about anything, ever. Saves a lot of time. Well since the JFK assassination anyway. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 5:32:50 PM EDT
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And all that happened was he lost his job as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs?
Intererdasting |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 5:40:53 PM EDT
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LOL, Wikipedia is like the digital Comrade Britannica Free to edit, taken as truth by anyone with an IQ under 100, and you never have to pay to print new editors and round up the old ones to burn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Basically, it was planned false-flag terrorist attacks against the US civilian population and the military. The objective was to blame [insert resource-rich nation] and rally support for military action. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed this idea to the Kennedy administration. It was rejected that time, but this should enrage you. Added tinfoil. Also, here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#Origins_and_public_release http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Operation-Northwoods-Document-3.jpg http://www.dc911truth.org/images/evidence/northwoods/northwoods4.gif PS. Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Deception_flight_.28Saturday.2C_15_April.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO LOL, Wikipedia is like the digital Comrade Britannica Free to edit, taken as truth by anyone with an IQ under 100, and you never have to pay to print new editors and round up the old ones to burn. That's right, the only truth can be found on Fox and CNN ;) FYI Wiki has a rather Westernized version of history (at least on the episodes where I know alternate viewpoints). It's just that it isn't batshit-hawk-neocon like a lot of GD posters. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 5:46:06 PM EDT
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Makes one wonder about other "events". Yup... |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 6:05:07 PM EDT
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F&F cough cough Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Makes one wonder about other "events". F&F cough cough F&F only makes sense to me as an operation designed to arm the Sinaloa Cartel so as to keep down the Zetas (the majority of F&F guns went to the Sinaloas - despite all the cartels wanting more guns). Gun control was a convenient plus. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 6:26:56 PM EDT
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I love how the boot lickers ignore uncomfortable facts in the name of troofers.
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Posted: 6/20/2016 6:52:32 PM EDT
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I love how the boot lickers ignore uncomfortable facts in the name of troofers. I love how tinfoilers have a limited vocabulary. Hold hands with me and jump off idiots cliff, OR you are a bootlicker. There is no other option. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 8:58:56 PM EDT
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No. The nukes and missiles were not deployed until after the Bay of Pigs invasion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cuba could have been dealt with at the bay of pigs, JFK was a weak president who's cabinet was comprised of equally weak yes men. Cuba already had operatating nuke launchers in case of invasion. Which American cities would you trade for "dealing" with Cuba? No. The nukes and missiles were not deployed until after the Bay of Pigs invasion. We didn't find out till 1992. Long after the world thought the Cuban Missile Crisis had ended, with Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev’s withdrawal of his medium-range nuclear missiles announced on October 28 — and two days after President John F. Kennedy announced the lifting of the quarantine around Cuba — the secret crisis still simmered. Unknown to the Americans, the Soviets had brought some 100 tactical nuclear weapons to Cuba — 80 nuclear-armed front cruise missiles (FKRs), 12 nuclear warheads for dual-use Luna short-range rockets, and 6 nuclear bombs for IL-28 bombers. Even with the pullout of the strategic missiles, the tacticals would stay, and Soviet documentation reveals the intention of training the Cubans to use them |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 9:18:58 PM EDT
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And yet ARFCOMers will label you a "psycho" or "conspiracy nut" if you even suggest that events like Sandy Hook were false flags, intended to destroy our beloved 2A.
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Posted: 6/20/2016 9:25:26 PM EDT
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F&F only makes sense to me as an operation designed to arm the Sinaloa Cartel so as to keep down the Zetas (the majority of F&F guns went to the Sinaloas - despite all the cartels wanting more guns). Gun control was a convenient plus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Makes one wonder about other "events". F&F cough cough F&F only makes sense to me as an operation designed to arm the Sinaloa Cartel so as to keep down the Zetas (the majority of F&F guns went to the Sinaloas - despite all the cartels wanting more guns). Gun control was a convenient plus. They had another operation run out of FL and perhaps others. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 9:27:19 PM EDT
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We didn't find out till 1992. . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cuba could have been dealt with at the bay of pigs, JFK was a weak president who's cabinet was comprised of equally weak yes men. Cuba already had operatating nuke launchers in case of invasion. Which American cities would you trade for "dealing" with Cuba? No. The nukes and missiles were not deployed until after the Bay of Pigs invasion. We didn't find out till 1992. Long after the world thought the Cuban Missile Crisis had ended, with Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev’s withdrawal of his medium-range nuclear missiles announced on October 28 — and two days after President John F. Kennedy announced the lifting of the quarantine around Cuba — the secret crisis still simmered. Unknown to the Americans, the Soviets had brought some 100 tactical nuclear weapons to Cuba — 80 nuclear-armed front cruise missiles (FKRs), 12 nuclear warheads for dual-use Luna short-range rockets, and 6 nuclear bombs for IL-28 bombers. Even with the pullout of the strategic missiles, the tacticals would stay, and Soviet documentation reveals the intention of training the Cubans to use them That is later. Timeline was: Bay of Pigs -> USSR sends nukes to Cuba -> USSR removes some nukes I though our government knew they didn't withdraw all of them. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 9:29:54 PM EDT
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Makes one wonder about other "events". There is no wondering about recent events in Orlando and San Bern. Those were "i intentionally turn a blind eye" |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 9:38:26 PM EDT
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That is later. Timeline was: Bay of Pigs -> USSR sends nukes to Cuba -> USSR removes some nukes I though our government knew they didn't withdraw all of them. That is only for the medium range strategic nukes, capable of hitting almost anywhere in the us. Short range tactical nukes were already there and fully operational. Soviet bombers and subs were there too. Castro begged the Soviets to use them during the bay of pigs. If had control he would have used them. Your time line is also missing the missles in Turkey that were removed but replaced in the 90's after we found out there indeed had been nukes in Cuba ready for orders. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 10:59:59 PM EDT
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Don't forget that of those same soviet era missiles, maybe half would leave the launch pad without blowing up, and of those, half would wouldn't survive the flight, and of those, maybe one would hit the target assuming like five were still flying.
No promises on a detonation of that one at a meaningful altitude though |
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