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Posted: 5/24/2003 8:20:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/24/2003 8:22:22 AM EDT by CRC]
...Charlie Company's job is likely to get harder in the coming days, when it will be asked to enforce its general's new weapons policy. It prohibits carrying concealed weapons, owning powerful weapons such as machine guns and shooting into the air, something that has been common across Baghdad in recent weeks......... From this article: [url]http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/5936567.htm [/url] "No AK for you, Assam! Turn it in." "But the bandits still have their AKs!" "Too bad!" CRC
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 8:27:46 AM EDT
-MORE- [b]...Iraqis will be able to register small-caliber arms to keep in their businesses or homes,[red] but will not be able to carry them outside,[/red] said the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, Lt. Gen. David McKiernan....[/b] The joy it must be to be a criminal in Iraq these days. It just keeps getting better and better. CRC
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 8:30:41 AM EDT
-MORE- [B]Earlier this week, weapons dealers at the bazaar dismissed the impending crackdown and said they would go on selling their wares no matter what U.S. officials do. Lateef Abel Quadm said many Iraqis were forced to buy weapons to protect their homes because U.S. forces had failed to crack down on crime after the war. "America created this chaos," he said as he leaned on a semi-automatic rifle. "Nobody will obey this order until there is peace in Iraq."[/B] [url]http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/5932408.htm [/url] CRC
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 8:40:50 AM EDT
-EVEN MORE- [URL]http://www.boston.com/dailynews/143/world/US_authorities_to_clamp_down_o:.shtml [/URL] [b]Lt. Gen. David McKiernan said permits will be granted to keep guns at home. There will be limits on the type of weapon allowed and the bullet caliber, he said [/b] Is this a preview of what will happen in the USA?? CRC
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 8:43:57 AM EDT
I think it is I strongly feel that there will be a time in this country that all guns will be a no no
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 8:47:47 AM EDT
Yes, IF we are ever conquered by an invading foreign army, I have no doubt that they will probably want to disarm us. This is because we would probably use OUR weapons to shoot at the occupying force of the invaders. That's how it works. You lose a war, you get screwed.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 8:51:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Yes, IF we are ever conquered by an invading foreign army, I have no doubt that they will probably want to disarm us. This is because we would probably use OUR weapons to shoot at the occupying force of the invaders. That's how it works. You lose a war, you get screwed.
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Most Iraqis didn't shoot at us and ,in fact, want us to invade and dispose of Saddam. CRC
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 8:56:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC: Most Iraqis didn't shoot at us and ,in fact, want us to invade and dispose of Saddam.
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Then they should tell us where the guys are who keep sniping at our troops.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 9:02:17 AM EDT
Amazing. It's as though people had never heard the term: "WAR". They are a conquered people. They lost. Yeah, we describe them as "liberated", but that's just political rhetoric. Our troops met the most resistance from fighters dressed as civilians. So if they see a civilian with a gun, what are they to think? Common sense.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 9:15:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Amazing. It's as though people had never heard the term: "WAR". They are a conquered people. They lost. Yeah, we describe them as "liberated", but that's just political rhetoric. Our troops met the most resistance from fighters dressed as civilians. So if they see a civilian with a gun, what are they to think? Common sense.
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These fools would have shit their britches if they'd been alive during World War II.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 9:30:05 AM EDT
good, the less they have the better
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 9:56:16 AM EDT
I wouldn't turn mine in. The U.S. has no right to disarm the populace. Interestingly, the Kurds will get to keep theirs as it currently stands. We are acting like the U.N.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 10:14:49 AM EDT
Actually, we're letting them keep their firearms, they just can't carry in public, for now. [b]"Small arms -- including automatic rifles firing ammunition up to 7.62mm, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and pistols -- may be kept in homes and in a place of business, but may not be taken out in public, it said."[/b] [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34693-2003May24.html[/url] Sounds like the average Iraqi has a better oppurtunity to exercise RKBA than I do in NYC, or those of you in California. [:)]
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 10:36:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By alaman: I wouldn't turn mine in. The U.S. has no right to disarm the populace.
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Sure we do. The right of conquest.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 12:09:54 PM EDT
The GIs need practice for when they start doing over here. GG
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 12:43:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/24/2003 4:47:27 PM EDT by u-baddog]
Its a war [whacko] They lost and some are pissed about it. Those people what to kill you and me and any american they see. They lost the WAR and therefore they have only the rights we give them. We will let them form their own goverment in do time. I am sure they will turn on us in the name of allah sooner or later.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 1:04:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Gun Guru: The GIs need practice for when they start doing over here. GG
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EXACTLY! Someone gets it. CRC
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 1:06:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By otto-nyc: Actually, we're letting them keep their firearms, they just can't carry in public, for now. [b]"Small arms -- including automatic rifles firing ammunition up to 7.62mm, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and pistols -- may be kept in homes and in a place of business, but may not be taken out in public, it said."[/b] [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34693-2003May24.html[/url] Sounds like the average Iraqi has a better oppurtunity to exercise RKBA than I do in NYC, or those of you in California. [:)]
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Then this contradicts the articles I posted. They state that guns will confiscated without permit. Hmm. CRC
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 2:00:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By u-baddog: Its a war [whacko] They lost and some are pissed about it. Those people what to kill you and me and any american they see. They lost the WAR and there for they have only the rights we give them. We will let them form their own goverment in do time. I am sure they will turn on us in the name of allah sooner or later.
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I would say it was a war over oil with WMD as a big fat excuse to move in. So they lost no war we moved in and took over. It is total BS! Those people should not be disarmed and we should not be there. How would you like me to come over and take your AR? I think the vast majority of Iraq hated us in the first place and would rather have their old government back. Some of you need to figure out the big picture. We don't need to run around and liberate other countries. We don't need to occupy other peoples land. We should get the hell out IMHOP. RANT OFF mzzlebrk
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 2:36:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By Gun Guru: The GIs need practice for when they start doing over here. GG
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EXACTLY! Someone gets it. CRC
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Gets what? Lithium treatments?
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 2:40:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mzzlebrk: I would say it was a war over oil with WMD as a big fat excuse to move in. So they lost no war we moved in and took over.
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First off you're wrong, the war wasn't about oil. THEN, however, you go from saying "it was a war about oil" to "they lost no war." Ummm...if there was a war, they definitely lost it. Perhaps you gave up logic when you lost all those vowels in your screen name...
It is total BS! Those people should not be disarmed and we should not be there. How would you like me to come over and take your AR?
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If you conquered my country, you would be within your rights to try. My only recourse would be to shoot at you, which might or might not be suicide. To quote Hemingway, defeat brings worse things than can ever happen in war.
I think the vast majority of Iraq hated us in the first place and would rather have their old government back.
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Sounds like a good reason to disarm the vast majority of the stupid assholes then.
Some of you need to figure out the big picture. We don't need to run around and liberate other countries. We don't need to occupy other peoples land.
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But we can and we will and we did, so get over it.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 3:03:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Originally Posted By mzzlebrk: I would say it was a war over oil with WMD as a big fat excuse to move in. So they lost no war we moved in and took over.
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First off you're wrong, the war wasn't about oil. THEN, however, you go from saying "it was a war about oil" to "they lost no war." Ummm...if there was a war, they definitely lost it. Perhaps you gave up logic when you lost all those vowels in your screen name...
It is total BS! Those people should not be disarmed and we should not be there. How would you like me to come over and take your AR?
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If you conquered my country, you would be within your rights to try. My only recourse would be to shoot at you, which might or might not be suicide. To quote Hemingway, defeat brings worse things than can ever happen in war.
I think the vast majority of Iraq hated us in the first place and would rather have their old government back.
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Sounds like a good reason to disarm the vast majority of the stupid assholes then.
Some of you need to figure out the big picture. We don't need to run around and liberate other countries. We don't need to occupy other peoples land.
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But we can and we will and we did, so get over it.
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War's happen when both sides participate. There was no war. We rolled in and occupied. Get over what there Mr. Hitler? So I should get over that we can charge around and do whatever we want? So our consitution should only apply to the USA and not anyone else. Is that not a double standard? There are no weapons! There is no reasone to be there. I was all for it when I bielived Mr. Bush but now I think he is full of crap. OIL! OIL! OIL! MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! We don't honestly care about liberating anyone. Those people hate us.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 3:31:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/24/2003 3:32:13 PM EDT by RikWriter]
Originally Posted By mzzlebrk: War's happen when both sides participate. There was no war. We rolled in and occupied.
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I guess all those guys that were killed by the enemy are just imagining it then, huh Einstein?
Get over what there Mr. Hitler?
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Ooooh, you called me Hitler...I shudder with your rapier wit.
So I should get over that we can charge around and do whatever we want? So our consitution should only apply to the USA and not anyone else. Is that not a double standard?
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No, in fact, it isn't. The Constitution is a social contract between the government and its citizens. It doesn't apply to other countries.
There are no weapons!
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Just because we haven't found them yet doesn't mean they don't exist.
OIL! OIL! OIL! MONEY! MONEY! MONEY!
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I bet your debate style impresses all the girls...
We don't honestly care about liberating anyone. Those people hate us.
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And I hate them, so we're even.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 4:54:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Originally Posted By mzzlebrk: I would say it was a war over oil with WMD as a big fat excuse to move in. So they lost no war we moved in and took over.
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First off you're wrong, the war wasn't about oil. THEN, however, you go from saying "it was a war about oil" to "they lost no war." Ummm...if there was a war, they definitely lost it. Perhaps you gave up logic when you lost all those vowels in your screen name...
It is total BS! Those people should not be disarmed and we should not be there. How would you like me to come over and take your AR?
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If you conquered my country, you would be within your rights to try. My only recourse would be to shoot at you, which might or might not be suicide. To quote Hemingway, defeat brings worse things than can ever happen in war.
I think the vast majority of Iraq hated us in the first place and would rather have their old government back.
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[red]Sounds like a good reason to disarm the vast majority of the stupid assholes then.[/red]
Some of you need to figure out the big picture. We don't need to run around and liberate other countries. We don't need to occupy other peoples land.
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But we can and we will and we did, so get over it.
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RikWriter..... I here by at this time ask your permission to use the red verbage as my sig. line for a period of time as of yet unknown !
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 4:59:21 PM EDT
Seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable INTERIM policy. Get the heavy gear off the streets for a while, allow people to have guns in their homes for self-defense, and allow new government to reformulate policy once things calm down. I don't see what the BFD is here. Seems more than fair considering what we COULD do.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 5:58:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/24/2003 5:59:44 PM EDT by CRC]
Originally Posted By dbrowne1: Seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable INTERIM policy. Get the heavy gear off the streets for a while, allow people to have guns in their homes for self-defense, and allow new government to reformulate policy once things calm down. I don't see what the BFD is here. Seems more than fair considering what we COULD do.
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The problem is disarming innocent Iraqis while the criminals Saddam let out jail,Fedayeen, Bathists and thugs coming in from Iran run around. The police can't be everywhere and neither can USGIs! Yeesh! Also the US Govt wants to take away all AK-47s and that is what most Iraqis have for protection. Not 1911s and 870s. CRC
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 8:09:05 PM EDT
At Ft. Polk, Louisiana, for years they have been training US AND foreign troops in the fine art of "civilian pacification" in their Urban Warfare Center. They have a village where they hire locals to act as villagers. They surround the town, shut off all roads, search vehicles, line up people in straight lines and pat them down, kick in doors and search homes, etc. I heard a rumor of a shooting incident one night, said to be quickly hushed up. They setup on a road OFF the base, and apparently stopped some good old boys that were not in on the game. Shooting ensued, and the soldiers lost. I suppose blanks don't do well against live ammo and ARMED civilians.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 9:13:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC: The problem is disarming innocent Iraqis while the criminals Saddam let out jail,Fedayeen, Bathists and thugs coming in from Iran run around. The police can't be everywhere and neither can USGIs! Yeesh! Also the US Govt wants to take away all AK-47s and that is what most Iraqis have for protection. Not 1911s and 870s.
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Actually, what was listed on Fox News earlier today was any weapon OVER 7.62mm, machine guns, grenades and rocket launchers. Unless they meant "automatic rifles" when they said "machine guns" then AKs would be allowed. But actually Iraqis have access to a good many different brands of pistols, rifles and shotguns.
Link Posted: 5/24/2003 9:15:03 PM EDT
Turn in your shit you ain't gonna get it back. [url]http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CB10&cp1=1[/url]
It said weapons turned over to U.S.-led forces would either be destroyed or set aside for use by the new Iraqi army or police forces.
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Keep this in mind when it happens here.
“After June 14, individuals caught with unauthorized weapons will be detained and face criminal charges.”
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Criminal charges eh?
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