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Posted: 5/22/2003 7:00:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2003 12:58:36 AM EDT by Orlaam]
I was watching the History Channel's show on magnum cartridges last night, and they commented how Samuel Walker's 44 Colt Walker handgun was returned to the family after several years and now it's in their private collection. I've noticed how a lot of history is locked up by family and out of view from public sight. Does anyone else find this a bit selfish? I for one would like to see some of these cool items from famous historical times. Why do they not put them on display somewhere safe? It does no good to keep them locked up forever!
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 7:09:41 PM EDT
I can agree with that... A museum dedicated to one-of-a-kind's would be cool, although i'm not sure how paying for that many lent items would be possible.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 7:35:51 PM EDT
On the History Channel's "Lost and Found" they mention a lot of items that no one ever sees because the owner (usually family) keeps them locked up in an undisclosed located. That sucks! I'm sure certain museums would take good care of these items to preserve them and show them. Just seems selfish or odd to hide them.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 7:49:38 PM EDT
I don't know, if you had something you treasured dearly would you let someone else take care of it for you? especially a gun for Christ sakes, tomorrow the Gov. can just drop by and take it.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 7:50:12 PM EDT
Guys...you might think that is a bit selfish. But some museums don't upkeep the collections and they begin to degrade, rust, etc. There was a large private collection of Civil War artifacts loaned to an institution for display and they were almost ruined because they were not kept under ideal conditions.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 7:55:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Orlaam: Does anyone else find this a bit selfish? I for one would like to see some of these cool items from famous historical times. Why do they not put them on display somewhere safe? It does no good to keep them locked up forever!
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If it's mine, it's mine, and that's how it is. If you are really interested in it, you can figure out that I own it and suck up to me to see it. Calling people who lock their own property away from the public "selfish" reeks of communism.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 8:24:31 PM EDT
Communism? Come the fuck on. I'm not simply referring to a gun, a lot of items like clothes, books, and other parts of history would be nice to see, but I guess museums should shut their doors. God for bid anyone look at some fucking article of clothing, or even an old firearm that's safe from touch. Not all museums ruin things they get in for display. Seems to me that sheltering people from history is more like communism than anything! Btw, I'm not talking about putting your new belongings on display. It's about history and learning. I've seen some amazing things in museums around the country, but I hope you tinfoil hats avoid them cause you never know what might happen if someone sees an ancient wooden leg from the Civil War.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 8:47:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/22/2003 8:49:41 PM EDT by blkbeard]
I've been running into this problem lately. I had 2 ancestors killed by Indians in 1813 (Dilbone Massacre Miami County, Ohio). AFAIK...there are only 3 items left from them. Rifle used by indian to kill one of them is one and is still in our a relatives hands. The owner tried to donate it to local historical museums but ran into these problems: 1st museum....no security system, not open during the winter. 2nd museum....wouldn't even let him in to talk to them about donating it unless he would pay the admission to the museum. The other 2 items are a pitchfork and a babies bonnet. No clue where the babies bonnet is. The pitchfork was donated to the Piqua Historical Societies Museum in 1973 (museum #1 above). Today I drove to the museum and found that they had put everything in storage so they could host an art show and nobody was sure if the pitchfork was still there. Another local historical society makes it clear up front that if they don't have room to store an item you donate to them, they will sell it and use the $$ for operating costs. Granted, none of these items are of the caliber of Sam Walkers Colt but, there can be alot of reasons not to donate to a museum that aren't apparent unless you've tried to do it.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 8:59:43 PM EDT
Yeah, I guess a lot of museums aren't all that interested in preserving history, that's too bad. I just wondered why so many things just collect dust and never get viewed by people who find them important. I had no idea there where so many problems with this. Thanks for informing me without finding flaw with my post.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 9:58:00 PM EDT
Orlaam I understand where your coming from. But nothing is truly safe. As i recall even the Smithsonian has been broken once or twice. Somebody made off with the pistol used to shoot Garfield during the last heist if i remember right. Needless to say I don't think its a matter of being selfish but rather a matter potential loss or destruction of an irreplaceable object. For some people some things are just to valuable to risk it.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 11:02:33 PM EDT
I guess I can see there side of it now. Never realized how many problems museums had. I know things get stolen and broken, but they should be more careful, especially the Smithsonian! Oh well, just wondered about not getting to see cool historical items.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 11:13:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/22/2003 11:53:25 PM EDT by Kar98]
Originally Posted By Orlaam: Communism? Come the fuck on.
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Well? If personal property is "re-located" for the greater edification of the people, what else would you call this? Where do you start, and where do you draw the line? I know the whereabouts of the pistol with which Drew Barrymore's great-grandfather was shot right here in town, half a block from me, back in 1861. (Search for my post titled "Bullets for Barrymore", for the whole story). And no, that gun is not on public display. How about historic houses? Should there be a rule that "The People" should be allowed to traipse through his here house only because it's historic? Or maybe we should donate at least the downstairs part to the county, as Culture Palace of The People? How about my coin and stamp collection? [red]There are items in there older than this country.[/red] Should I give them to the Hysterical Society so they can be put on display?
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 11:50:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2003 1:19:56 AM EDT by Orlaam]
You overanalyze my post, and probably everything else WAY too much. I never said people should have the right to access homes or property that are privately owned. Like I said, there are items that are historic that people would like to see if possible. Like the clothes Dillinger wore when he was shot. Last time I heard they were in some cedar chest somewhere. Do you understand what I'm talking about? I kinda don't think you do. As stated above, I never realized museums were so poor at taking care of things. And "relocated" What the fuck are you on? No one is suggesting that the government should take your precious property without your consent...HELLO. I know I sound like an asshole, but you are looking for issues I never raised. I'm not sure you understand how important history is, and sheltering people from it leads to serious problems. Mein Kampf was full of lies about Hitler's childhood and formative years, yet he managed to keep the truth about himself secret and thus gain much respect and followers....the rest is history. Real history. [conveniently edited to make me look better]
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 11:55:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Orlaam: Do you understand what I'm talking about? I kinda don't think you do.
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End of discussion for me, I'm not talking to teenagers on the 'Net.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 11:57:58 PM EDT
"Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one!"
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 12:55:10 AM EDT
Well, I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but you turned a simple post into some sort of tin-foil hat bullshit. There's no reason to be nice on here because everything always gets turned into some debate about politics and related rhetoric. After a while it gets old. Bottom line, the majority of people on the internet are pricks because they are behind a keyboard. So if I pissed you off because I found your post off topic and absurd, so be it. I don't fucking care. I will no longer sit back and "play nice". So if the mods would lock this worthless thread, I would be grateful.
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 1:48:51 AM EDT
IBTL
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 1:52:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Orlaam: Well, I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but you turned a simple post into some sort of tin-foil hat bullshit. There's no reason to be nice on here because everything always gets turned into some debate about politics and related rhetoric. After a while it gets old. Bottom line, the majority of people on the internet are pricks because they are behind a keyboard. So if I pissed you off because I found your post off topic and absurd, so be it. I don't fucking care. I will no longer sit back and "play nice".
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Ah yes, you have experienced firsthand a neo-con frenzy. The Coalition was placed on alert for when the neo-con frenzy attack level went to extreme risk.
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 2:42:58 AM EDT
ITs selfish for me to keep my property the way I see fit too. Fine. I am fucking selfish. IF it is MY property, and I choose to display it fine, if it is MY property and I choose not to display it fine. If it is MY property and I choose to DESTROY it fine. Doesnt matter if it is a crushed beer can, or a master piece by Renoir, or the last original copy of the MagnaCarta. The only thing that matters is if my property is an emminent danger to my neighbors, ie I keep open barrels of dioxin in my backyard. To say otherwise is to deny me my property rights. Which is the same argument that the socialist/anti-gunners use to deny us our right to arms (that society has the right to regulate the individuals property and rights).
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 2:50:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2003 2:54:57 AM EDT by TomJefferson]
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 2:53:25 AM EDT
Orlaam never said they should be TAKEN from their owners. He was just wondering (and got his answer) why the owners of this stuff don't display it or loan it to museums. Jeez!
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 2:54:18 AM EDT
(screech!!!) I got here as fast as I could.... Where's the offender!! IBTL!!! [snoopy]
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 3:32:33 AM EDT
Damnit, could you guys not post crap that has me agreeing 100% with KAR98 please!!!!! Orlaam private ownership is exactly what it sounds like. For history or people, if someone else thinks they can lay claim to if for any damn reason, it's wrong. And change your sig pic. TXL
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 3:42:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 3:46:06 AM EDT
waaaaaaa, my pussy hurts
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 6:41:54 AM EDT
Carbine Williams had an AWSOME collection of firearms from an 8ga punt gun to Stg-44, Mp40, Thompsons, the prototype for what became the M1 Carbine. It used to be on display at the NC Museum of History. Now the vast majority of sits in storage somewhere. As a distant relative of his it pisses me the fuck off that the state got the collection, now has squirreled it away. Not that I would have seen any of it in anyway as part of an inheritance or anything. I feel both sides of this debate have validity. A weapon as imporatnat as THE Patterson should be in a well maintained museum imo. But never at the price of individual rights and I don't think that was ever anybody's point. These personal pissing matches are really starting to get annoying.
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 7:20:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 8:00:51 AM EDT
Your namesake was a liberal, these pukes are leftwing fascists. There is nothing liberal about revising history to suit a socialist world view, that's leftist. Subtle difference. Just no point in calling a pansey a spade is all.
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 8:02:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 8:12:45 AM EDT
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