[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Too Tacticool? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 6/7/2016 1:03:35 PM EDT
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Are we?
Are you? I'm not, but you might be, according to this guy. Watcha think? 
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He sounds like a gumpy old guy that is struggling to get business. The obvious shots at Costa while funny are misplaced. Just because i see someone who has a pair of boots or something that i like doesn't make me a moron. I am currently in the process of needing new shooting glasses, if i see someone that has a pair I like should i be embarrassed to ask? In today's society of buy online it's easier to do that, and get a real review right there.
Honestly, I didn't even know who this guy was until this video. I've been in training classes with super dave, vickers, hackathorn, and bill rogers and never once heard this guys name... Sounds like he just sucks at marketing and decided to lash out. |
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I'm so uncool I don't even know who Steve Spaulding is. The last time I shot was in my backyard, at empty beer cans with a .22 pistol. Weird, the pistol was straight out of the box. I've made zero changes to it. ETA: the guy is pretty spot on. Why are people training in ways that don't apply to their real life? |
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The guy was right up until he asks why you need an AR15. That fudd can go FOAD Did you not listen? He NEVER questioned wether people need an AR. He only stated that people should be training for real world scenarios. Instead of regular joes showing up to a class with a helmet, chest rig, and leg holster.As he goes on to say that stuff about, when will you be ready with a helmet/chest rig? In your bedroom? His whole point is to train for real life situations. |
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Did you not listen? He NEVER questioned wether people need an AR. He only stated that people should be training for real world scenarios. Instead of regular joes showing up to a class with a helmet, chest rig, and leg holster.As he goes on to say that stuff about, when will you be ready with a helmet/chest rig? In your bedroom? His whole point is to train for real life situations. Quoted:
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The guy was right up until he asks why you need an AR15. That fudd can go FOAD Did you not listen? He NEVER questioned wether people need an AR. He only stated that people should be training for real world scenarios. Instead of regular joes showing up to a class with a helmet, chest rig, and leg holster.As he goes on to say that stuff about, when will you be ready with a helmet/chest rig? In your bedroom? His whole point is to train for real life situations. Uhhh isn't that why we have AR15's, chest rigs, etc? He bitches about people training in those also. Sorry, he's a fudd that is clearly unable to leverage proper marketing to sell his brand and is now sour grapes about it. He's right about training, but he should have left AR15's, chest plates, helmets and shit out of it. He took a low blow and I'm calling him out for it. |
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I agree with most of what he said.
I've always wondered why people who shoot IDPA, a sport designed for the practical application of defensive pistols, always shoot with OWB kydex holsters and dual mag carriers under shooting vests. The vast majority of those people don't carry daily with that setup. That being said, I shoot IDPA the same way, but wish it wouldn't be a major handicap for me to shoot IDPA how i carry; with my G19 in an IWB holster with one mag IWB. That guy IS apparently too cool for sunscreen, however. |
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I think some are taking his comments out of context. If you go to a training class for handgun/self-defense/CCW, you should be dressed in whatever you would typically wear when you might find yourself in a situation. If you typically wear jeans and a t-shirt; great - wear that. If you're typically in a suit, well, it would be best to train in that - but that's not necessarily practical, so perhaps dressing down a bit would be appropriate. But if you train using gear that you don't typically wear on a regular basis (four OWB mag holster, OWB holster, etc - and he takes it to the extreme with helmets, chest rigs, etc), then it probably won't benefit you as much in 95% of the situations you may find yourself in where you have to use your CCW or defend yourself. If that's not what you're taking the class for - and you just want something "fun" for the weekend warrior type thing - then have at it. But I think that's probably outside the context of the question he was asked to answer. |
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Uhhh isn't that why we have AR15's, chest rigs, etc? He bitches about people training in those also. Sorry, he's a fudd that is clearly unable to leverage proper marketing to sell his brand and is now sour grapes about it. He's right about training, but he should have left AR15's, chest plates, helmets and shit out of it. He took a low blow and I'm calling him out for it. Quoted:
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The guy was right up until he asks why you need an AR15. That fudd can go FOAD Did you not listen? He NEVER questioned wether people need an AR. He only stated that people should be training for real world scenarios. Instead of regular joes showing up to a class with a helmet, chest rig, and leg holster.As he goes on to say that stuff about, when will you be ready with a helmet/chest rig? In your bedroom? His whole point is to train for real life situations. Uhhh isn't that why we have AR15's, chest rigs, etc? He bitches about people training in those also. Sorry, he's a fudd that is clearly unable to leverage proper marketing to sell his brand and is now sour grapes about it. He's right about training, but he should have left AR15's, chest plates, helmets and shit out of it. He took a low blow and I'm calling him out for it. What real life situation would you be wearing a chest rig, drop leg holster, plate armor, etc. in? I'm trying to think of one but I just can't. Not trying to be a smartass, just genuinely curious. Quoted:
I think some are taking his comments out of context. If you go to a training class for handgun/self-defense/CCW, you should be dressed in whatever you would typically wear when you might find yourself in a situation. If you typically wear jeans and a t-shirt; great - wear that. This is how I took it. I actually wonder about a lot of pistol classes out there. I always think they leave out the CCW crowd. They always have tucked in polos with OWB holsters. That makes it really easy to draw. What about folks like me who may still be wearing an OWB holster but has an untucked button down on. |
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I do wear cargo pants from time to time, but that is because I carry a bunch of shit around. I do wear cargo shorts. According to arfcom GD experts, if you go to Europe and wear cargo shorts you are a total tool bag. No idea why its OK, if not totally cool over here but duschey over there. But GD experts know it all. |
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What real life situation would you be wearing a chest rig, drop leg holster, plate armor, etc. in? I'm trying to think of one but I just can't. Not trying to be a smartass, just genuinely curious. Quoted:
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The guy was right up until he asks why you need an AR15. That fudd can go FOAD Did you not listen? He NEVER questioned wether people need an AR. He only stated that people should be training for real world scenarios. Instead of regular joes showing up to a class with a helmet, chest rig, and leg holster.As he goes on to say that stuff about, when will you be ready with a helmet/chest rig? In your bedroom? His whole point is to train for real life situations. Uhhh isn't that why we have AR15's, chest rigs, etc? He bitches about people training in those also. Sorry, he's a fudd that is clearly unable to leverage proper marketing to sell his brand and is now sour grapes about it. He's right about training, but he should have left AR15's, chest plates, helmets and shit out of it. He took a low blow and I'm calling him out for it. What real life situation would you be wearing a chest rig, drop leg holster, plate armor, etc. in? I'm trying to think of one but I just can't. Not trying to be a smartass, just genuinely curious. Maybe home invasion if you somehow have a 45 seconds to a minute advanced warning--like the dude who made a thread about dusting some thugs with a G26. |
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did not watch. Would it be considered airsoft for grownups? I don't care how people spend their money or what they do for hobbies. I will say one thing, after taking an actual pistol class I sort of wondered about buying extra mag carriers just so I could have a million mags available to keep on training and shooting and doing less reloading mags and getting more mags and what not. What about the people who have nightvision? I will watch it later on I reckon. When at a class I am more interested in learning from the instructor. I bought an owb holster that holds the handgun just like my iwb holster. I did have a couple mag carriers but other mags were in cargo pockets and other pockets and back at the truck. Should have brought more mags. I figure it is better than someone sitting at home drinking beer and watching tv and surfing the net. |
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Quoted: What real life situation would you be wearing a chest rig, drop leg holster, plate armor, etc. in? I'm trying to think of one but I just can't. Not trying to be a smartass, just genuinely curious. |
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This guy is having a typical old-guy response to a broader theme of technological advancement that threatens the existing economic paradigms of basically every industry.
Sure, you should take a well rounded approach to firearms proficiency which should be centered around paid instruction. But its laughable to think that someone with a knack for critical thought and analysis could not learn a number of techniques demonstrated online by reputable instructors and then apply them in their own time at the range and become relatively proficient. The massive access to information online is Earth shattering in terms of the consequences to traditional business and economics if applied correctly. Firearms training is really no exception. As long as you have the critical thinking ability to parse out bullshit from quality, and also the cognitive ability and understanding of how to apply principles in practice effectively, you can absolutely become a halfway decent shooter and understand basic gunfighting tactics. |
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A lot of sage wisdom in that video. Some of shit out there is beyond silly.
That being said, I would love to take a carbine class one of these days. Not because I ever expect to use my AR-15 in a prolonged firefight, but because I think it would be fun to take the class. |
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For me, never. Even in SHTF wearing all that stuff will bring unwanted attention to yourself. I want to blend in with the rest of the average joes. Quoted:
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What real life situation would you be wearing a chest rig, drop leg holster, plate armor, etc. in? I'm trying to think of one but I just can't. Not trying to be a smartass, just genuinely curious. Fudd. |
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Maybe home invasion if you somehow have a 45 seconds to a minute advanced warning--like the dude who made a thread about dusting some thugs with a G26. Quoted:
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The guy was right up until he asks why you need an AR15. That fudd can go FOAD Did you not listen? He NEVER questioned wether people need an AR. He only stated that people should be training for real world scenarios. Instead of regular joes showing up to a class with a helmet, chest rig, and leg holster.As he goes on to say that stuff about, when will you be ready with a helmet/chest rig? In your bedroom? His whole point is to train for real life situations. Uhhh isn't that why we have AR15's, chest rigs, etc? He bitches about people training in those also. Sorry, he's a fudd that is clearly unable to leverage proper marketing to sell his brand and is now sour grapes about it. He's right about training, but he should have left AR15's, chest plates, helmets and shit out of it. He took a low blow and I'm calling him out for it. What real life situation would you be wearing a chest rig, drop leg holster, plate armor, etc. in? I'm trying to think of one but I just can't. Not trying to be a smartass, just genuinely curious. Maybe home invasion if you somehow have a 45 seconds to a minute advanced warning--like the dude who made a thread about dusting some thugs with a G26. Oh, so something like this?
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I do wear cargo pants from time to time, but that is because I carry a bunch of shit around. I wear cargo pants because LAPG has some decent ones for cheap. And by cheap I mean like $20.00. They have held up, have tons of pockets, and don't restrict movement. |
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Quoted: Fudd. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What real life situation would you be wearing a chest rig, drop leg holster, plate armor, etc. in? I'm trying to think of one but I just can't. Not trying to be a smartass, just genuinely curious. Fudd.  |
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So everyone who don't wear helmets, chest rigs, armor plates is a fudd.
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What real life situation would you be wearing a chest rig, drop leg holster, plate armor, etc. in? I'm trying to think of one but I just can't. Not trying to be a smartass, just genuinely curious. Fudd.
Check your sarcasm meter. |
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Quoted: I wear cargo pants because LAPG has some decent ones for cheap. And by cheap I mean like $20.00. They have held up, have tons of pockets, and don't restrict movement. Quoted: Quoted: I do wear cargo pants from time to time, but that is because I carry a bunch of shit around. I wear cargo pants because LAPG has some decent ones for cheap. And by cheap I mean like $20.00. They have held up, have tons of pockets, and don't restrict movement. Why are you posting an excuse for wearing cargo pants?  |
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real world situations should be what you train for.
there's nothing wrong with being "prepared" for a situation like Katrina, though. if I lived in coastal FL/SC/NC/AL/LA/MS/TX and had a very real liklihood of dealing with the aftermath of a major hurricane, I'd prepare a lot differently than I currently do. (especially if I were in areas prone to looting and rioting after natural disaster / man made disasters.. ) |
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There's a lot of idiocy in the training world, sadly. Tell me about it.... Went though a pistol class and a guy shows up with full armor (front, rear, side AR500 steel) within 20 mins into the class he was shedding it because it was to heavy and could not keep pace with the class. Same guy showed up in Texas summer 105F with black BDU on I chose a white climacool Adidas shirt\blue jeans and I was quite comfortable he was drenched by noon. |
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Quoted: Check your sarcasm meter. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By -Apocalypto- For me, never. Even in SHTF wearing all that stuff will bring unwanted attention to yourself. I want to blend in with the rest of the average joes. Fudd. Check your sarcasm meter. |
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-
For me, never. Even in SHTF wearing all that stuff will bring unwanted attention to yourself. I want to blend in with the rest of the average joes. Fudd.
Check your sarcasm meter. Happens to the best of us. 
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 He does have a point
reminds me of one time at the range, There were a bunch of tacticool bros there with tricked out AR's. They were getting ready to leave and i told them I would clean up their targets. There were two 3 inch targets left untouched at 25 yds. One fella suggested a match. "you take the right one and I'll take the left one." I said sure & started firing at the right one offhand. He was seated at the bench shooting at the left one. I put about 10 rounds into the target and noticed that they were all staring at me. One of them asked, 'Where did you learn to shoot like that?" "Buddy it's only 25 yds?" They seemed amazed that I could put all my shots onto a 3 inch target at 25 yds. offhand! (with an A1 middy with standard sights) To each his own! 
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This video, coming from this guy, is f'ing hilarious.
He teaches off and on at TDI, which is where David Bowie also teaches. Bowie is a small county reserve deputy sheriff who pimps Vertex pants (at least he used to), puts every whiz bang gadget he can on pistols (and will do it to yours too for a large amount of money) etc. TDI teaches rifle, shotgun and pistol classes, where people show up in chest rigs, and will gladly take your money in the process. Is he referring to the clowns he works with out there, or are they exempt from this video? 
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