[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Tool time, socket intense (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/1/2016 7:50:14 PM EDT
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Lost my Damn 13mm deep socket, so while I'm shopping for my replacement I thought to my self...
Is 6 point superior to 12 point? I think most 12 points would strip/round before a 6, right? The only I lost was a 12, but it was getting wore out anyway. Who makes quality tools. I grew up on craftsman but don't mind to try other brands. 3/8 if that matters at all. |
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im confused, how do you only have one 13mm deep socket.
dont you have 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 ratchets? you should have 3. mine are a combo of snapon craftsman and kobalt, there are occasional harbor freight sockets in the mix, they seem to hold up pretty ok. the ratchets not so much, apparently they dont agree with the 4ft breaker bar 
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1/2' is so close they usually interchange. get a 6 point http://www.matthewharrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/protagonist-2.jpg 1/2" = 12.7mm. .1mm = the thickness of a sheet of paper... there is generally enough play that a 1/2" socket should fit on a 13mm bolt. that being said, right tool for the right job bla bla bla. 6 point, sears is closing a lot of stores so you cant just run up the street and grab a tool, or get one replaced anymore. I have been looking for a replacement brand myself. |
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1/2" = 12.7mm. .1mm = the thickness of a sheet of paper... there is generally enough play that a 1/2" socket should fit on a 13mm bolt. that being said, right tool for the right job bla bla bla. 6 point, sears is closing a lot of stores so you cant just run up the street and grab a tool, or get one replaced anymore. I have been looking for a replacement brand myself. Quoted:
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1/2' is so close they usually interchange. get a 6 point http://www.matthewharrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/protagonist-2.jpg 1/2" = 12.7mm. .1mm = the thickness of a sheet of paper... there is generally enough play that a 1/2" socket should fit on a 13mm bolt. that being said, right tool for the right job bla bla bla. 6 point, sears is closing a lot of stores so you cant just run up the street and grab a tool, or get one replaced anymore. I have been looking for a replacement brand myself. Oh, I wasn't thinking about that. He'd mentioned wanting 3/8" drive and I was wondering how the hell you were thinking that 1/2" drive stuff was close enough that it would interchange. Brain fart on my end... 
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im confused, how do you only have one 13mm deep socket. dont you have 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 ratchets? you should have 3. mine are a combo of snapon craftsman and kobalt, there are occasional harbor freight sockets in the mix, they seem to hold up pretty ok. the ratchets not so much, apparently they dont agree with the 4ft breaker bar The one I lost is the 3/8 13mm deep 12pt. I have the others, but I need to replace the one I lost. |
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1/2" = 12.7mm. .1mm = the thickness of a sheet of paper... there is generally enough play that a 1/2" socket should fit on a 13mm bolt. that being said, right tool for the right job bla bla bla. 6 point, sears is closing a lot of stores so you cant just run up the street and grab a tool, or get one replaced anymore. I have been looking for a replacement brand myself. Quoted:
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1/2' is so close they usually interchange. get a 6 point http://www.matthewharrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/protagonist-2.jpg 1/2" = 12.7mm. .1mm = the thickness of a sheet of paper... there is generally enough play that a 1/2" socket should fit on a 13mm bolt. that being said, right tool for the right job bla bla bla. 6 point, sears is closing a lot of stores so you cant just run up the street and grab a tool, or get one replaced anymore. I have been looking for a replacement brand myself. I have a half ass Sears that opened up, went to swap a few items already there, but it's just out the way. I do have a Lowe's less than 2 miles away. So I'm leaning more kobalt. |
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Yes, typically 6 point sockets are stronger and less likely to round off fasteners. Buy a good quality socket that's similar to what Snap-On calls flank drive so that you're distributing more of the force to the flats of the fasteners rather than the corners.
I bought SK when I was younger and have been fairly happy with them, especially since they're a low cost, US made tool, but not too many places carry them, so warranty work is a slight problem. I've become a bit of a tool snob the past couple of years, so aside from telling you to buy a single Snap-On socket that probably costs as much as most imported sets, I'm not sure what to tell you. Craftsman's quality and warranty has gone down hill, plus who knows if Sears will remain a viable company? I don't have much experience outside of that. |
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6 point for 6 point fasteners, 12 point for 12 point fasteners. Unless it's wrench. I like my snap-on sockets. This. I hate hacks who only buy 12pt sockets so they can get away being cheap. Then they're crying because the rusted 17mm 6pt thats torqued to 150nm is now round. |
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Quoted: HF impact sockets are fine for occasional use. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted: Quoted: Get some Harbor Freight. They are fine as long as you don't need a thin wall or an impact. HF impact sockets are fine for occasional use. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile There are a couple guys on here who work on heavy equipment and have suggest that they're as good as anything else. I've picked some up based off of that recommendation, but I only work in the garage on occasion. |
As of May 25th, that show has been off the air for 17 years. Old man is old. |
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now you have. http://hlmet.com/images/inch_size_titanium_12_point_flange_bolt_full_thread.jpg I don't see nuffing I googled it, I've never seen one of those in person. Those are weird looking. |
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A 12 point socket(or 12 point combination/ratchet wrench) can also be useful for removing square male pipe plugs. It may not exactly be the recommend tool for the job, but it will work as long as the plug isn't too tight. A 6 point socket won't fit.
Anyway, I like having both. They both have their plusses and minuses. Got to have deep well and impact sockets too. Can't have too many tools. 
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I really like my 3/8 deep 6 point and 1/4 in semi deep flank drive Snap-Ons. Mostly use my 1/4 in set with a polished mini fine tooth Matco hand ratchet and locking extension working on cars. Body related mostly.
My 1/2 inch drive deep sockets have been disappearing and breaking over the years and I have been looking for a couple sets that have a large selection of sizes. Found some Kobalt impact sockets at Lowes that range from 7/16 - 1 1/4 and metric from 10mm - 25mm for under $60.00 per set. For what I need them for I am happy with them. Not spending $500.00 per set for Snap-Ons there. 
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I don't see nuffing I googled it, I've never seen one of those in person. Those are weird looking. Quoted:
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now you have. http://hlmet.com/images/inch_size_titanium_12_point_flange_bolt_full_thread.jpg I don't see nuffing I googled it, I've never seen one of those in person. Those are weird looking. I've seen them on brake calipers IIIRC. Only thing that comes to mind offhand. 12 point socket on a 6 point bolt only touches at the corners, this along with poor tolerances on cheapo tools are a couple of the reasons why many many bolt heads and nuts get stripped or deformed IMO. |
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6 point for 6 point fasteners, 12 point for 12 point fasteners. Unless it's wrench. I like my snap-on sockets. ??? I've never seen a 12 pt bolt ??? Starter on my Dodge Cummins is held in with 12pt bolts. |
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Quoted: I don't see nuffing I googled it, I've never seen one of those in person. Those are weird looking. Quoted: I don't see nuffing I googled it, I've never seen one of those in person. Those are weird looking. So change the starter on <<<<---------- 9/16" Do a head job, 3/4", torque to 330 ft-lb, three times. Change a universal joint, 1/2" Harbor Freight sockets are GTG, I use this -  |
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This^ plus you never know what else (good deal) they may have for sale that you really weren't looking for! Quoted:
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pawn shops usually have a bin full of loose, unmatched sockets that sell individually. pretty cheap, too. This^ plus you never know what else (good deal) they may have for sale that you really weren't looking for! And if you buy something else, they will usually throw the socket in for free. I went in looking for a 1/2" drive extension, found one in the "make offer" bin. Went up front and then made an offer on a Winchester Ranger .30-30, bought that and the extension was free 
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I've seen them on brake calipers IIIRC. Only thing that comes to mind offhand. 12 point socket on a 6 point bolt only touches at the corners, this along with poor tolerances on cheapo tools are a couple of the reasons why many many bolt heads and nuts get stripped or deformed IMO. Quoted:
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now you have. http://hlmet.com/images/inch_size_titanium_12_point_flange_bolt_full_thread.jpg I don't see nuffing I googled it, I've never seen one of those in person. Those are weird looking. I've seen them on brake calipers IIIRC. Only thing that comes to mind offhand. 12 point socket on a 6 point bolt only touches at the corners, this along with poor tolerances on cheapo tools are a couple of the reasons why many many bolt heads and nuts get stripped or deformed IMO. Poor tolerance six point sockets only touch at the corners, too. A good quality 12pt will still transfer torque to the flats. Buy once, cry once, until you find yourself with $75,000 in tools (like me!), that if you ever have to sell, will only bring maybe a nickel on the dollar. Then you cry twice. My solution is to pass them on to my kid(s). |
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Snap-On
I've been out of turning wrenches for 8 years now (went from master tech to insurance appraiser). When I break a Snap-On I throw it in the center console of the company car, I will flag down a Snap-On man anywhere o see them and get them exchanged 
Or you can go to the nearest shop and ask them what day/time the Snap-On man comes by. |
| I've been buying Carlyle from my local Napa, I wrench a lot and I've been very happy with the quality. They have some decent sales, AAA discounts and you get points for purchases that you can use as $$ off future purchases. It also helps that my local Napa is 1/8th mile from my house and open 7 days a week. |
| My day job set of sockets is a 1/4 inch drive Snap-On set. Most of my other sets are Williams. They are Snap-On sockets at a much, much lower price. The chrome is not as good but it is still a very nice socket. As an example a metric 1/4 drive shallow set was about $36. To me that's not a bad deal on good USA tools. Williams also has a import line for a little less money. Still a good tool though. |
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This. I hate hacks who only buy 12pt sockets so they can get away being cheap. Then they're crying because the rusted 17mm 6pt thats torqued to 150nm is now round. Quoted:
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6 point for 6 point fasteners, 12 point for 12 point fasteners. Unless it's wrench. I like my snap-on sockets. This. I hate hacks who only buy 12pt sockets so they can get away being cheap. Then they're crying because the rusted 17mm 6pt thats torqued to 150nm is now round. So get a hammer and pound a 16 on to it.
ETA: As mentioned, HF is g2g. |
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I don't see nuffing I googled it, I've never seen one of those in person. Those are weird looking. Quoted:
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now you have. http://hlmet.com/images/inch_size_titanium_12_point_flange_bolt_full_thread.jpg I don't see nuffing I googled it, I've never seen one of those in person. Those are weird looking. And you have to be careful it is a 12 point hex, not a triple square. If a six point fits, it is all I will use. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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And you have to be careful it is a 12 point hex, not a triple square. If a six point fits, it is all I will use. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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now you have. http://hlmet.com/images/inch_size_titanium_12_point_flange_bolt_full_thread.jpg I don't see nuffing I googled it, I've never seen one of those in person. Those are weird looking. And you have to be careful it is a 12 point hex, not a triple square. If a six point fits, it is all I will use. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile are those similar to the inverse torx? 
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I have 6 point and 12 point. Mostly use the 6 but have run across enough 12 point fastners that they come in handy. Of course I also have some 8 point sockets for square head fasteners.
Taiwan and up. Do not buy Chinese. Gear wrench is good, SK, Kobalt, etc. Unless you wrench professionally, Snap on, Matco, etc are a waste except for a few specialty tools. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |