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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:33:49 PM EDT
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Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:33:50 PM EDT
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Once you've been there awhile? Not really. Most of the departments here are understaffed.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:35:07 PM EDT
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Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies. And all the departments that don't have unions? Quoted:
Once you've been there awhile? Not really. Most of the departments here are understaffed. This. For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:35:16 PM EDT
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In for the fat cop stories.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:37:01 PM EDT
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In for the fat cop stories. Before we had cages in the cars we had a guy who used to constantly break the seats in the early '90s model Caprices. Even with our union he ended up getting forced off the job for being too overweight. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:37:40 PM EDT
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Criticize all you want until you need them to lay on a suspect high on PCP.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:37:56 PM EDT
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Did any of them wave to you
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:40:00 PM EDT
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Did any of them wave to you http://ericpetersautos.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/fat-cop-3.jpg That looks like one of those pretend cops that do funeral escorts. Notnthat there aren't cops thatbfat. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:40:11 PM EDT
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America as a whole is grossly overweight. Police officers are a segment of America.
Reverse America's lard problem and the overweight police officer problem will resolve itself. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:41:51 PM EDT
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Around here, fitness standards apply at the academy, then nobody gives a damn.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:41:59 PM EDT
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FBI recruit sued several years back because he got the boot after failing to complete 30 push ups. He did 29, IIRC.
I think the FBI lost the suit, not 100% sure without a Google search. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:43:12 PM EDT
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America as a whole is grossly overweight. Police officers are a segment of America. Reverse America's lard problem and the overweight police officer problem will resolve itself. Not in GD. Everyone here has 2 percent body fat and is built like Adonis. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:43:50 PM EDT
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Police come from the general population. Take a pic of the crowd at any event and try and find the skinny people.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:44:23 PM EDT
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My brother is a Leo and they have a yearly pt test. If they fail or weight is over a certain threshold based on height they get progressive discipline until they're on line with the standards.
I am a Leo and we have a pt test yearly but don't really get disciplined if we fail. Bonuses if we pass but nothing if failed. Add on long hours, sitting in a cruiser for hours, desk duty for detectives, eating fast food all the time, tons of coffee, weird work hours and weird sleep schedules, easy to get overweight quick. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:44:49 PM EDT
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So I'm sitting in a restaurant parking lot waiting to meet a friend for lunch and 4 motorcycle cops walk out to get on their bikes and three of the four are extremely overweight. This isn't meant to be a cop bashing thread as my dad is retired LEO but don't departments have any kind of fitness standards anymore? Those officers identify as "Slim and Trim." A.W.D. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:46:00 PM EDT
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Hell, I'm a LEO and overweight. I actually eat fairly healthy, but I spend most of my day on my ass in my car.
I work out on my lunch break, but even that is a 30 min workout 3 x a week, max. Sedimentary lifestyle/work conditions paired with shitty diet (on mids, almost impossible to eat healthy, if u even eat at all) make most of us fat. Combine that with shitty eating habits (very fast eating, likelyhood of overeat very high) and not enough time in the day for good exercise (4x 12s, I get up at 0430, get off work by 6. Go home, cook, see fam, in bed by 9) make it very tough to be a 'fit' officer. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:46:45 PM EDT
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My brother is a Leo and they have a yearly pt test. If they fail or weight is over a certain threshold based on height they get progressive discipline until they're on line with the standards. I am a Leo and we have a pt test yearly but don't really get disciplined if we fail. Bonuses if we pass but nothing if failed. Add on long hours, sitting in a cruiser for hours, desk duty for detectives, eating fast food all the time, tons of coffee, weird work hours and weird sleep schedules, easy to get overweight quick. Even with regular exercise and a reasonable diet, those 3 things will FUCK your metabolism up. Shift work and especially shift work that is ever changing is a recipe for an unhealthy body. Period. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:46:55 PM EDT
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And all the departments that don't have unions? This. For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies. And all the departments that don't have unions? Quoted:
Once you've been there awhile? Not really. Most of the departments here are understaffed. This. For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. Not here. DFW seems to have an abundance of applicants and decent pay. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:50:16 PM EDT
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And all the departments that don't have unions?... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies. And all the departments that don't have unions?... Non-union officers all look like this: 
Or something like that. But union or not, I've never heard of a department that had a 'you're out of shape and therefor out of a job' policy. I'm sure such departments exist, just not around here. ETA: In my town, the officers seem to be in pretty good shape, but that could be because the average age on the force seems low; I'd guess most are late 20's/early 30's. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:52:56 PM EDT
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Not here. DFW seems to have an abundance of applicants and decent pay. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. Not here. DFW seems to have an abundance of applicants and decent pay. If you pay them, they will come. (Unless it's Austin, PD)
ETA: A quick search shows your cops' starting pay is higher than some of the cops here make at top step. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:52:58 PM EDT
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I have much respect for all LEOs, unless they're fat, female, or both.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:04:00 PM EDT
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Our rural town's Sheriff's Department has only ONE officer that'll go under 250
Most will top 300 Police Department is mostly young, dumb new officers fresh out of academy |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:05:22 PM EDT
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...then u get situations like at this very second. Finally got enuf units T8 I can eat, place where I get salads is packed and the town is going to shit...
Why we eat FF, then gain weight... |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:08:39 PM EDT
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If you pay them, they will come. (Unless it's Austin, PD)
ETA: A quick search shows your cops' starting pay is higher than some of the cops here make at top step. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. Not here. DFW seems to have an abundance of applicants and decent pay. If you pay them, they will come. (Unless it's Austin, PD)
ETA: A quick search shows your cops' starting pay is higher than some of the cops here make at top step. His comments are not accurate, DFW has serious retention problems. A hell of a lot of DFW jumps ship to APD. Their politics and general racist crap are pretty bad. APD does this rowing test thing yearly now, (After my time thank heaven) you have to row on a computerized rowing machine for 2,000 yards. It does some sort of figuring and spits out a fitness score based on age. Don't make the minimum score and I see a diet and exersize program in your future.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:15:07 PM EDT
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Anyone got the pic of those buff cops from back in the day? 80s Detroit police I think. Can't find it.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:17:19 PM EDT
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His comments are not accurate, DFW has serious retention problems. A hell of a lot of DFW jumps ship to APD. Their politics and general racist crap are pretty bad. APD does this rowing test thing yearly now, (After my time thank heaven) you have to row on a computerized rowing machine for 2,000 yards. It does some sort of figuring and spits out a fitness score based on age. Don't make the minimum score and I see a diet and exersize program in your future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. Not here. DFW seems to have an abundance of applicants and decent pay. If you pay them, they will come. (Unless it's Austin, PD)
ETA: A quick search shows your cops' starting pay is higher than some of the cops here make at top step. His comments are not accurate, DFW has serious retention problems. A hell of a lot of DFW jumps ship to APD. Their politics and general racist crap are pretty bad. APD does this rowing test thing yearly now, (After my time thank heaven) you have to row on a computerized rowing machine for 2,000 yards. It does some sort of figuring and spits out a fitness score based on age. Don't make the minimum score and I see a diet and exersize program in your future. Dallas PD has some serious problems with keeping officers or even hiring them. But the cities surrounding it have very few open spots, maybe 4-5 at a time. I took a few tests where there were at least 100+ at the time of the written exam for a few open spots. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:20:00 PM EDT
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Dallas PD has some serious problems with keeping officers or even hiring them. But the cities surrounding it have very few open spots, maybe 4-5 at a time. I took a few tests where there were at least 100+ at the time of the written exam for a few open spots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. Not here. DFW seems to have an abundance of applicants and decent pay. If you pay them, they will come. (Unless it's Austin, PD)
ETA: A quick search shows your cops' starting pay is higher than some of the cops here make at top step. His comments are not accurate, DFW has serious retention problems. A hell of a lot of DFW jumps ship to APD. Their politics and general racist crap are pretty bad. APD does this rowing test thing yearly now, (After my time thank heaven) you have to row on a computerized rowing machine for 2,000 yards. It does some sort of figuring and spits out a fitness score based on age. Don't make the minimum score and I see a diet and exersize program in your future. Dallas PD has some serious problems with keeping officers or even hiring them. But the cities surrounding it have very few open spots, maybe 4-5 at a time. I took a few tests where there were at least 100+ at the time of the written exam for a few open spots. If you only have 100 testing for a few open spots you have a serious problem, considering the overall pass rate is about %10. Even the tiniest depts should do better than that. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:20:54 PM EDT
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And all the departments that don't have unions? This. For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies. And all the departments that don't have unions? Quoted:
Once you've been there awhile? Not really. Most of the departments here are understaffed. This. For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. HPD pays pretty well. Half the officers in the airport - all of whom are HPD - can barely walk. Associate's degree, cadet, 0 years of service...42k. 60k after 2 years. Who else is getting a 20% raise every year with a 2 year degree in an entry level position? |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:20:57 PM EDT
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I took a few tests where there were at least 100+ at the time of the written exam for a few open spots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I took a few tests where there were at least 100+ at the time of the written exam for a few open spots. Quoted:
If you only have 100 testing for a few open spots you have a serious problem, considering the overall pass rate is about %10. Even the tiniest depts should do better than that. I've taken exams for county PDs back in NY with 30K+ other applicants. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:22:38 PM EDT
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Even with regular exercise and a reasonable diet, those 3 things will FUCK your metabolism up. Shift work and especially shift work that is ever changing is a recipe for an unhealthy body. Period. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My brother is a Leo and they have a yearly pt test. If they fail or weight is over a certain threshold based on height they get progressive discipline until they're on line with the standards. I am a Leo and we have a pt test yearly but don't really get disciplined if we fail. Bonuses if we pass but nothing if failed. Add on long hours, sitting in a cruiser for hours, desk duty for detectives, eating fast food all the time, tons of coffee, weird work hours and weird sleep schedules, easy to get overweight quick. Even with regular exercise and a reasonable diet, those 3 things will FUCK your metabolism up. Shift work and especially shift work that is ever changing is a recipe for an unhealthy body. Period. God forbid they pack a lunch, amiright? |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:23:19 PM EDT
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I've taken exams for county PDs back in NY with 30K+ other exam takers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I took a few tests where there were at least 100+ at the time of the written exam for a few open spots. Quoted:
If you only have 100 testing for a few open spots you have a serious problem, considering the overall pass rate is about %10. Even the tiniest depts should do better than that. I've taken exams for county PDs back in NY with 30K+ other exam takers. 
Sure as shit aint way around here |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:26:24 PM EDT
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God forbid they pack a lunch, amiright? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My brother is a Leo and they have a yearly pt test. If they fail or weight is over a certain threshold based on height they get progressive discipline until they're on line with the standards. I am a Leo and we have a pt test yearly but don't really get disciplined if we fail. Bonuses if we pass but nothing if failed. Add on long hours, sitting in a cruiser for hours, desk duty for detectives, eating fast food all the time, tons of coffee, weird work hours and weird sleep schedules, easy to get overweight quick. Even with regular exercise and a reasonable diet, those 3 things will FUCK your metabolism up. Shift work and especially shift work that is ever changing is a recipe for an unhealthy body. Period. God forbid they pack a lunch, amiright? You missed the shit I highlighted. Food plays a role but, EVEN with a healthy diet, the three things in red, in the post you quoted, which you may even have read, will kill you body's ability to properly process calories. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:25:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FBI recruit sued several years back because he got the boot after failing to complete 30 push ups. He did 29, IIRC. I think the FBI lost the suit, not 100% sure without a Google search. FBI current still under a lawsuit for their pt standards because it does not adequately differentiate between male and female per the DOJ. As well as over a dozen different states around the nation as far as state level agencies. No clue on how many lower level municipalities might be involved. Was all done strictly by the DOJ just because. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:25:58 PM EDT
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Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies. It's all negotiable. On duty work-outs and fitness based incentive pay is a non starter for my city admin because we "might hurt ourselves" so I'll be damned if they want to punish anyone for being overweight. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:27:37 PM EDT
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And all the departments that don't have unions? This. For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies. And all the departments that don't have unions? Quoted:
Once you've been there awhile? Not really. Most of the departments here are understaffed. This. For the shit pay I'm amazed my local departments can get anyone to take the job in the first place. They don't count as it doesn't fit the argument. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:28:16 PM EDT
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So I'm sitting in a restaurant parking lot waiting to meet a friend for lunch and 4 motorcycle cops walk out to get on their bikes and three of the four are extremely overweight. This isn't meant to be a cop bashing thread as my dad is retired LEO but don't departments have any kind of fitness standards anymore? 
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:30:28 PM EDT
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FBI current still under a lawsuit for their pt standards because it does not adequately differentiate between male and female per the DOJ. As well as over a dozen different states around the nation as far as state level agencies. No clue on how many lower level municipalities might be involved. Was all done strictly by the DOJ just because. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FBI recruit sued several years back because he got the boot after failing to complete 30 push ups. He did 29, IIRC. I think the FBI lost the suit, not 100% sure without a Google search. FBI current still under a lawsuit for their pt standards because it does not adequately differentiate between male and female per the DOJ. As well as over a dozen different states around the nation as far as state level agencies. No clue on how many lower level municipalities might be involved. Was all done strictly by the DOJ just because. There has been a lawsuit floating around for years that contends testing regimens do not represent the job requirements. In other words, you don't do a hell of a lot of push-ups while on patrol. That's why you see depts with odd testing tasks such as dummy drags, chasing people up stairs, climbing thru windows and going over fences. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:34:08 PM EDT
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A Sergeant and I were talking about weight issues and fitness. I told him it's a sad world when people who are fit and healthy actually stand out amongst the rest. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
He sorta looked at me, like he was saying "Hmmmm" to himself. 
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:38:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:38:15 PM EDT
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It's all negotiable. On duty work-outs and fitness based incentive pay is a non starter for my city admin because we "might hurt ourselves" so I'll be damned if they want to punish anyone for being overweight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies. It's all negotiable. On duty work-outs and fitness based incentive pay is a non starter for my city admin because we "might hurt ourselves" so I'll be damned if they want to punish anyone for being overweight. I'm not sure I follow. You want to be paid for the time it takes meet standards? |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:39:22 PM EDT
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I see other LEO's on here commenting on being overweight and discussing how the lifestyle makes it so tough to stay fit.
Well here is what i have to say, GET OFF YOUR ASS, when you put on that badge and gun you lose the right to be out of shape. My life, your life, or some innocent person's life not only might but probably will depend on your ability to physically accomplish something. So figure it out, instead of an 8 hour day make it a 9 and go in an hour early and work out for an hour. Change your diet, prepare your whole weeks worth of meals on your day off and put them in the fridge. Eat healthy stuff, high protein low carb. If it wasn't recently an animal or a plant don't eat it. Believe me I understand the challenges, I deal with them also, but no excuse is worth your life. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:39:55 PM EDT
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i think after a certain amount of time on the force they get a free pass.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:39:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There has been a lawsuit floating around for years that contends testing regimens do not represent the job requirements. In other words, you don't do a hell of a lot of push-ups while on patrol. That's why you see depts with odd testing tasks such as dummy drags, chasing people up stairs, climbing thru windows and going over fences. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: FBI recruit sued several years back because he got the boot after failing to complete 30 push ups. He did 29, IIRC. I think the FBI lost the suit, not 100% sure without a Google search. FBI current still under a lawsuit for their pt standards because it does not adequately differentiate between male and female per the DOJ. As well as over a dozen different states around the nation as far as state level agencies. No clue on how many lower level municipalities might be involved. Was all done strictly by the DOJ just because. There has been a lawsuit floating around for years that contends testing regimens do not represent the job requirements. In other words, you don't do a hell of a lot of push-ups while on patrol. That's why you see depts with odd testing tasks such as dummy drags, chasing people up stairs, climbing thru windows and going over fences. And I don't disagree with the concept of a test more closely resembling real world expectations. However the DOJ would currently even insist there should be a different time limit for females to do the same task. Just as I'm sure they would insist there be differences based on age. My question becomes though, if we are expected to perform the exact same job and have the exact same liabilities then we should all be held to the same standard. Just because you are older or are female doesn't change what your job expectations are. Granted those things might change the way you perform your duties though.. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:40:31 PM EDT
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Age, injuries, weird schedules, stuffing your mouth with whatever you can between calls, and eventually not giving a shit. It all adds up.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:42:09 PM EDT
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Sedentary lifestyle + long shifts + poor diet + alcohol consumption + high chance of poor home life and high stress = overweight
It's common with Corrections as well. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:47:13 PM EDT
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Desk sitting, car sitting and fast food and then going home too tired to be active will do this to you.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:49:11 PM EDT
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I see other LEO's on here commenting on being overweight and discussing how the lifestyle makes it so tough to stay fit. Well here is what i have to say, GET OFF YOUR ASS, when you put on that badge and gun you lose the right to be out of shape. My life, your life, or some innocent person's life not only might but probably will depend on your ability to physically accomplish something. So figure it out, instead of an 8 hour day make it a 9 and go in an hour early and work out for an hour. Change your diet, prepare your whole weeks worth of meals on your day off and put them in the fridge. Eat healthy stuff, high protein low carb. If it wasn't recently an animal or a plant don't eat it. Believe me I understand the challenges, I deal with them also, but no excuse is worth your life. 
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:49:27 PM EDT
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Fitness standards probably get trumped by union-negotiated termination policies. No, they got trumped by Liberals and BS like the ADA and such. Plus, just society in general is fatter and lazier. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:49:59 PM EDT
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I see other LEO's on here commenting on being overweight and discussing how the lifestyle makes it so tough to stay fit. Well here is what i have to say, GET OFF YOUR ASS, when you put on that badge and gun you lose the right to be out of shape. My life, your life, or some innocent person's life not only might but probably will depend on your ability to physically accomplish something. So figure it out, instead of an 8 hour day make it a 9 and go in an hour early and work out for an hour. Change your diet, prepare your whole weeks worth of meals on your day off and put them in the fridge. Eat healthy stuff, high protein low carb. If it wasn't recently an animal or a plant don't eat it. Believe me I understand the challenges, I deal with them also, but no excuse is worth your life. 
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:52:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat guy actually did get fired for being overweight and unable to perform job tasks. Then he sued and got his job back.
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