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Posted: 5/17/2003 7:48:57 PM EDT
A friend and I were talking about how much BS that is, and he joked that, if anything, the slaveholders should get money because they didn't get a full lifetime of use out of their slaves. I found it pretty funny, thought I would share. Now, before I'm accused of being a racist....we don't actually believe that!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 7:53:36 PM EDT
What was the warrenty on one?
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 7:54:13 PM EDT
people who are pro reparations will agree that the civil war was fought to free the slaves so you can then tell them that you think the descendants of northern soldiers should get reparations from the descendants of slaves for all of the suffering and death involved in fighting for the slaves freedom
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 7:55:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:02:56 PM EDT
OK, well, lame, but let me elucidate on your point a little from a serious perspective. Prior to the Civil War, my ancestors were cotton farmers in norther Georgia. Following the Emancipation Proclamation, most of the newly-freed ex-slaves beat it, leaving the cotton crops to go untended, but taking my family name as their surname. My family, formerly prosperous in the cotton trade, was now forced to split apart to seek work elsewhere in a country at war. At the time, they were ruined. Now I'm not saying that I, personally, have in any way suffered, as my father gave us the best he could afford, and I have continued the tradition by making sure that my children will have a much higher standard of living than I ever did. So, let's talk reparations, then. Had my family remained in the cotton trade in Georgia until present, I would, in theory anyway, be a multi-millionaire at least. OK, that's weak. True, but weak. But it's OK - DzlBenz has a backup plan - my mother's mother was 1/2 Cherokee from Oklahoma. If I'm not getting my displaced business owner reparations, I'm getting my Native America reparations! Woo-Hoo!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:07:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:10:56 PM EDT
[lol] RACISM ALERT!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:12:53 PM EDT
Uhhhhhhh.......No!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:18:33 PM EDT
IBTL
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:20:43 PM EDT
Wolfe, what the hell were you thinking with this thread?
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:29:00 PM EDT
The Native American in me says, STAND IN LINE
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:29:45 PM EDT
Seems to me that if we paid reparations, we should also revoke their citizenship. Hey, we were in the wrong to bring their ancestors here from their homeland; let's make it right. You can go back "home" to Sudan, or Sierra Leone, or whatever dirtbag, tyrannical, civil-war ravaged third world country your ancestors hailed from. My brother had to do a report on this very topic in his sociology class. He had to examine the pro-reparation view--it was part of his professor's "pedagological approach." His group did the report, but none of them agreed with the conclusions--higher education in action!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:31:55 PM EDT
I will GLADLY pay any amount that they want to any LIVING black person who WAS ACTUALLY a slave. [:D]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:35:39 PM EDT
First you have to settle the bill for the Civil War. I believe just he cost of the Monitor alone would be several billion dollars by now with the interest. Bereavement payments to dead soldiers' families. Many of the slaves were sold by other Africans, so all that money the Nigerians are scamming could be used to pay. The majority of the slave owners were also Southerners. Send the CSA the bill!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:38:08 PM EDT
40 acres and a [strike]mule[/strike] Benz.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:45:02 PM EDT
FTS
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:50:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tras: FTS
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What's that?
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 9:09:31 PM EDT
F*** That Shit
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 9:31:44 PM EDT
For this one moment in time I'll agree with SPECTRE. Any living person who actually owned a slave should be forced to pay any living person who actually was a slave any amount they want.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 9:46:31 PM EDT
I too believe I am due reparations because my people have suffered great hardships over the past couple centuries.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 9:54:32 PM EDT
IBTL!!!! But I am ROTFL[rofl2]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 9:59:48 PM EDT
Or maybe we could just give them preferential treatment in employment hiring, college admissions, public aid...oh wait... Seriously though, this is BS. Perhaps we should make the Egyptians pay the Jews for enslaving them thousands of years ago too. I'm sure we can find SOMEONE who is descended from Moses.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 1:38:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 2:18:32 AM EDT
If there was a million dollars under their work boots would they ever find it ? [:|]
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 3:25:20 AM EDT
Repatriate, not reparate. I think it would make a good T-Shirt to wear to a NBA game.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 4:13:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By osprey21: If there was a million dollars under their work boots would they ever find it ? [:|]
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Care to elaborate what the fuck that means?
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 4:23:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/18/2003 4:57:16 AM EDT by DoubleFeed]
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 4:48:58 AM EDT
"Native American"? I'm a native American, I was born here! If I'm not a native American by your standards please remove my name from the tax rolls and do it yourself. As for "Slave Reparations".....show me a slave and I'll give them $. As for "racism".....shut the $%&* up! I'm tired of hearing about that crap. When you start screaming "RACIST!" at Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, call me! Until then....SHUT UP! I'm NATIVE AMERICAN!
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 4:50:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/18/2003 5:01:30 AM EDT by lokt]
If there was a million dollars under their work boots would they ever find it ?
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^ I think it's pretty obvious what that means. This statement might not refer to all, but a fairly large quantity, anyway, of the inner city trash and the out-in-the-sticks-white trash. 'cept the white trash has no "right" to reparations... edited to fix quote
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 5:06:00 AM EDT
IIRC there were some black families that owned black slaves.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 5:28:42 AM EDT
Next thing you know, the Europeans are going to be demanding reparations from "my people" since my Viking ancestors treated them so badly! I agree with the "to any living slave from any living slave owner" approach.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 5:48:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Balzac72: Wolfe, what the hell were you thinking with this thread?
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Hey, we're all entitled to one once in a while!!!! [:D]
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 5:59:03 AM EDT
If they want reparations, they should seek out the descendents of those who originally enslaved them.....Their FELLOW blacks in Africa!!! You think a bunch of white guys got out in the jungle and captured them??? Think again!! They were enslaved by their own people, just as they are now!! Slavery is STILL going on there.....
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 6:03:20 AM EDT
I'm of Irish descent, does that mean I'm due reparations from the English government?
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 6:05:17 AM EDT
Chose your words carefully when you "debate" this issue folks. I don't want to have to lock this thread... or any accounts, for that matter. Proceed. [:)] EricE
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 6:12:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CavVet:
Originally Posted By osprey21: If there was a million dollars under their work boots would they ever find it ? [:|]
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I think he is trying to say that the people that want this "HANDOUT" are the ones who wont get off their ass and work. ie, they wont find the money cause its under their work boots.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 6:19:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/18/2003 6:20:43 AM EDT by Happyshooter]
There are two theories in the country for race based give aways: 1: The Creditor Race/ Debtor Race theory. One group (which we like to call 'races' but really meerly have common traits based on ancestry) got over on another group in history and now the descendants must 'pay back' the descendants of the former losers. This is what the rep folks are harping on and what we are talking about. This is also the theory used by the EEOC for employment safe harbors. 2: Racism stains the land. This is the theory which must be shown in federal courts in order for the courts to take over a local unit of government and push forward with theory one, above. Under this theory, any racism which took place on certain land stains the land and allows action until theory one is applied. (Example: in the 1960s Denver steered some white kids to one school, they stopped a few years later. This allowed the federal courts to take over the schools many years later, and apply theory one until the whites fully pay their race debts to the blacks through bussing and area wide extra taxes.) I know this sounds like bull shit, and it is, but I took educational law and affirmative action law in law school, and this is the two theories used to apply AA here in America. (University of Michigan's bogus 'critical mass' argument is just some crap they made up when Prof. Cohen caught their ass with a FOIA suit and got ahold of the secret documents, until the federal case started it was actually called a 'strict goal' and thus was an illegal quota because U of M actually let some of the first blacks into college in the olden days and thus had no racism to stain the campus. They are trying this as a 'hail mary' [;)] play in hopes that Sandy O'Connor's cancer affected her brain and she votes with the ultra leftist four)
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 7:11:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/18/2003 7:14:37 AM EDT by pale_pony]
IBTL I am also a Native American, both by the fact that I am part Indian and I WAS BORN IN AMERICA! Now, that being said, I am also part Nordic and it is now being proven that the Norse got here about two thousand years BEFORE the asians crossed the Aleutian Bridge from Siberia to what is now Alaska and migrated south becoming what we new call Indians or "Native Americans". The so-called Indians were not here first as proven by archeological digs in Oklahoma (Heavener, OK rune stones, for one) and Missourri. (So when do I get to open MY damn casino and sell tax-free cigarettes???) ANYWAY, I PERSONALLY DID NOT OWN SLAVES (although my children might argue with me on their own status) and I was not a slave, so taking money from ME to pay ANYONE is robbery and I DEMAND MY DAMN REPARATIONS TOO!!!
Yeah, I'm Indian too. We were the FUGAWAEE tribe. We got off the boat from Italy and said, "Hey, where the fugawee?" - Tony Soprano"
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Link Posted: 5/18/2003 7:25:39 AM EDT
[beathorse]
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 7:45:56 AM EDT
THERE IS NO ONE ALIVE TODAY THAT DESERVES ONE FREAKIN' RED CENT FROM THIS REPARATIONS SCAM ![soapbox]
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 9:03:22 AM EDT
If my tax dollars are ever used for a scam like this, I swear to God I'm going to lose my frigging mind. I'm half Irish and half Italian. The Irish didn't get here until around WW1 and the Italians came along in the 1930s. My Irish grandfather was an educated printer's apprentice in Ireland but couldn't get any job other than "ice man" (carrying those big chunks of ice in tongs for people's "freezer boxes") because of the great policy of "No Irish Need Apply". The "wops" got it even worse. Not only weren't my people here, they got the short end of the stick for the longest time. But they dealt with it and/or learned the language and/or fought like hell to make a life for themselves. They didn't whine to the press (who wouldn't have cared back then), they didn't demand that the current residents learn *their* language/dialect and they didn't expect - much less demand - a handout. I once asked my dad why we didn't speak Italian. He said he asked *his* father that once and got the answer, "If I wanted Italian kids, I would've stayed in Italy. You're Americans." Maybe I'm insensitive. Maybe I'm a racist. Don't know. Don't care. What I *do* know is that I'm a second-generation American who understands that we as a nation have done some horrible, unfair things but have also, because of or in spite of it, contributed more to the stability, justice, fairness and freedom of the entire damned world. I have been jumped and denied jobs because I was "too white" (grew up in the Bronx, by Fordham Road and the Concourse, for locals). I never "returned the favor" because wrong is wrong and it's wrong to treat someone differently - better or worse - for no reason other than the color of their skin. I have nothing to apologize for and I won't. Period.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 9:41:24 AM EDT
reparations? hell yes im for reparations. im wondering when im finally going to get mine, stemming of course from my ancestors mercifully bringing slaves into the best country on earth..............as opposed to the deserts of africa where they would still be enslaved by other africans, and would likely starve due to their constant famines and inability to care for themselves.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 10:06:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CavVet:
Originally Posted By osprey21: If there was a million dollars under their work boots would they ever find it ? [:|]
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I believe he is doing a twist on that tired old joke- How do you keep a black man from running the roads all day? Hide his keys in his work boots. It is an attempt to stereotype balcks as lazy, work dodging loafers. Rates right up there with all the Boudreaux and Thibideaux jokes that I have to endure. Every culture has it's share of bullshit jokes, doesn't it? In Louisiana when I was growing up it was Aggie jokes(to jab at the Texans)and redneck jokes(to jab at the Mississippians) along with all the colored jokes. The whole time everybody was making Cajun jokes about us.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 10:17:00 AM EDT
Hey, I'm still waiting for the Thick & Hairy amongst us unite and demand justice for Modern Humans wiping out and absorbing our Cro-Mag ancestors. And stealing an entire planet in the process. Neanderthal Power!
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 10:30:32 AM EDT
How do Germans tie their shoes? In little Knotsies (Nazis). That being said, I am 60% German. My mother is full blooded German and still maintains her German citizenship. My father is 5 generations removed from Germany with a smattering of just about everything thrown in. Now, as to the reparations and the debate associated with it. The civil war was not fought over slavery. It was because the Confederate States of America seceeded from the U.S. due to the federal government violating the Constitution and states rights. The U.S. then invaded and annexed the C.S.A. The Emancipation Proclamation was moot. It had no legal power whatsoever. It was written by the President of the U.S. and applied only to member states of the C.S.A which at the time was a completely independent country. The slaves themselves were originally captured by the blacks in Africa. So, if any reparations were due, they should come from the nations that originally enslaved them. Over the past 140+ years, with things like affirmative action, quota's all the other BS pushed by the NAACP, the white male is the one that is currently being discriminated against. When I am denied a job because a less qualified "minority" must be hired to maintain a quota, that is discrimination. I personally do not hate or dislike anyone based on their skin color or religion. I hate or dislike them for their attitude. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are the 2 biggest racists out there. I dispise them as individuals, not as black men. In my opinion, the NAACP is exactly the same as the klan. Do not steal money from me for reparations. I have suffered financial loss because of all the affirmative action crap, pay me back for that. Give me reparations for my German ancestors enslaved by the Romans and the Celts. Get the F### over it!!!! Get an education (and none of this BS that your school isn't as good as my school!!! If you apply yourself and quit the drig shit, you can get an education) and earn a living on your own. Quit expecting handouts!!! Sorry for the rant, but this subject just pisses me off royally!!!!
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 10:35:59 AM EDT
The scam of the week is charging Black people a fee to show them how to file a tax return and claim their 'slavery credit'. They've arrested some of the tax preparers. But... last year the .gov paid out $5-$6 million in bogus claims. You're already paying!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 10:53:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Pangea:
Originally Posted By CavVet:
Originally Posted By osprey21: If there was a million dollars under their work boots would they ever find it ? [:|]
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Care to elaborate what the fuck that means?
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I believe he is doing a twist on that tired old joke- How do you keep a black man from running the roads all day? Hide his keys in his work boots. It is an attempt to stereotype balcks as lazy, work dodging loafers. Rates right up there with all the Boudreaux and Thibideaux jokes that I have to endure. Every culture has it's share of bullshit jokes, doesn't it? In Louisiana when I was growing up it was Aggie jokes(to jab at the Texans)and redneck jokes(to jab at the Mississippians) along with all the colored jokes. The whole time everybody was making Cajun jokes about us.
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Now I get it. I suspect CavVet has heard that joke before, and didn't apprieciate the reference.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 11:02:18 AM EDT
Ever see that movie, "THE REAL BLOND"? In response to the remark, "There was no holocaust," by a black person, our hero says, "Slavery did not exist. They paid their way over for those good-paying jobs picking cotton before they moved on to being muggers and crack heads." Of course our hero is fired from the set.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 11:02:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By pale_pony: IBTL I am also a Native American, both by the fact that I am part Indian and I WAS BORN IN AMERICA! Now, that being said, I am also part Nordic and it is now being proven that the Norse got here about two thousand years BEFORE the asians crossed the Aleutian Bridge from Siberia to what is now Alaska and migrated south becoming what we new call Indians or "Native Americans". The so-called Indians were not here first as proven by archeological digs in Oklahoma (Heavener, OK rune stones, for one) and Missourri. (So when do I get to open MY damn casino and sell tax-free cigarettes???)
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Yup American Indians are of the monogolian genotype. I was told my great grandmother was a full blood Sioux. TT
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 2:16:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86: Now I get it. I suspect CavVet has heard that joke before, and didn't apprieciate the reference.
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Very perceptive, but worse than that I dont appreciate a fuckin moderator basically saying, "Oh it means the other Blacks, not you, your ok". A crock of BS. If you are ok with that kind of shit, thats one thing. To post with mod beside your name, I would expoect according to the COC your actions to be a little different. Scandal after bs this board changes, seemingly for the better, but the 'lets talk about how fucked up/why we hate niggers shit' never goes away. I get tired of it. HOw about we send all race threads, [b]as per the COC[/b] over to FA where they can be supported or attacked [b]FREELY[/b] as needed? I feel like a fuckin slave when this shit copmes up here, forced to listen with one hand tied behind my back. Knowing the shit is gonna get 50 'Hell Yeahs', 2 "BS!", and if I kick in full gear with my thoughts I will get a fuckin email telling me why I am wrong.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 2:23:34 PM EDT
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