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Posted: 5/16/2003 10:03:49 AM EDT
Me and my buddy TMAN went to the range today and shot our rifles. Here's TMAN shooting his Romanian SAR3 with an ACE buttstock and a Galial grip, in .223: [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=12060[/img] Here's me with my M-Forgery and my new Coyote Brown furniture. I also have a BSA Red Dot scope on the rifle that works like a charm. [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=12062[/img] It was a great day. Burned up a bunch of ammo. Wish you'all could have been there.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 11:10:23 AM EDT
Looks like a blast (pun intended) Always a good day when you get some range time in. Thanks for sharing the pics!
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 11:15:03 AM EDT
Looks like a nice,relaxing day at the range. I wish it would stop raining up here. Cheers.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 11:37:11 AM EDT
Thanks for the pic's OP. Sure made my day at work a little more bearable! Glad someone didn't have to work today.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 1:41:10 PM EDT
I wish it would stop raining up here.
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No rain, but it is Texas. About 90 degrees.
Sure made my day at work a little more bearable! Glad someone didn't have to work today.
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I work a schedule called 9-80. I work 9 hour days and get every other Friday off. The range was almost empty today. It's a lot more crowded on Saturday. Today, I also tried out some of the Federal XM193 that I bought on this site. It sure shoots good.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 1:43:55 PM EDT
Here's TMAN shooting his Romanian SAR3 with an ACE buttstock and a Galial grip, in .223:
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Pull that elbow in TMAN! [:p]
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 1:57:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Torf:
Here's TMAN shooting his Romanian SAR3 with an ACE buttstock and a Galial grip, in .223:
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Pull that elbow in TMAN! [:p]
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He-he-he! He's gonna hate that! When he saw the pic, he said, "What's my elbow doing sticking out like that"? (Probably, it's cause he's getting old and needs it for balance.)
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 2:01:25 PM EDT
[lolabove] Have him wear a shock collar. Everytime the elbow goes up, the red button goes down! [8D]
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 2:25:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Torf:
Here's TMAN shooting his Romanian SAR3 with an ACE buttstock and a Galial grip, in .223:
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Pull that elbow in TMAN! [:p]
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He-he-he! He's gonna hate that! When he saw the pic, he said, "What's my elbow doing sticking out like that"? (Probably, it's cause he's getting old and needs it for balance.)
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Here, let a girl show him how to do it right. [:D] [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RgCvBPcSrnHMYLOhndPCoIHByz18CDhYZgV3phFtUP2f­5DGcRgY8x!tfWul79Q0DydZ9OU4NzZArQ3gEhesMRQHCW­vtQKPU89KnBco9wx5o/100-0378.JPG[/img]
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 2:43:15 PM EDT
Here, let a girl show him how to do it right.
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If only she was a little older, I'd offer to work up a trade. [:D] But, being that TMAN loads up target-quality .223 ammo for us to use in our bench rifles, I am willing to put up with his questionable form.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 4:52:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2003 4:53:37 PM EDT by EladEflow]
WAIT! I thought having your elbow sticking out like that was proper stance, so tucking your elbows in standing is normal? I just got ragged by Sniper_Wolfe for not putting my elbows out, it does seem like the rifle is more secure when your elbow is out though.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 5:04:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EladEflow: WAIT! I thought having your elbow sticking out like that was proper stance, so tucking your elbows in standing is normal? I just got ragged by Sniper_Wolfe for not putting my elbows out, it does seem like the rifle is more secure when your elbow is out though.
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Actually, the old Army taught you to hold your elbow level with the ground just like TMAN is doing. (He learned that with Custer just before he was discharged and Custer went to Little Big Horn.) Nowadays, probably due to clearing rooms and going through doorways, you are taught to keep it down next to your side. In fact, SWAT teams are taught to face the target squarely and keep both elbows tucked in to make maximum use of body armor and to diminish the size of the profile. At Thunder Ranch, in the Urban Rifle course, Clint teaches you to keep the elbows in tight.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 5:07:37 PM EDT
Dosent make a dif with me. Out or in I shoot the same and with full-auto I like it out, gives me more control. It looks like the butt is on the top of his shoulder? Then again I dont know but I like mine in my shoulder firm.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 5:19:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/16/2003 5:24:55 PM EDT
How's that red dot working for you? I had one on my 16" but took it off before I really got a handle on what it would do
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It works great! Put the dot on the can, pull the trigger, it's hit. I'm almost embarrassed to admit that I paid less than $50 for it at a gun show. I don't know what a $400 one does better. Maybe the expensive ones are tougher. But for shooting cans on the dirt bank, the BSA works great.
BTW2: Looks like you put on a few pounds since the last pic I saw of you. LOL
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And to think that I thought we were buddies! Actually, I had anorexia, but I think I've about got it licked.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 5:29:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 5:36:34 PM EDT
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I knew I was letting this site influence me too much. I'll break it out again and give it a try.
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One other thing, Tom. My RRA is a flattop. I have a RRA Tactical Sight Rail on it. It is very solid and, as I'm sure you know, a solid base is the real secret to an accurate scope. It is rock solid. Here's another photo. Notice the empty brass by the front sight. That's a quick camera! [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=12079[/img]
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 5:57:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By snipley: Dosent make a dif with me. Out or in I shoot the same and with full-auto I like it out, gives me more control. It looks like the butt is on the top of his shoulder? Then again I dont know but I like mine in my shoulder firm.
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OP is correct about the elbow in being a urban/cqb thing. Outside it's not very important. The buttstock high on the shoulder is another "mostly" urban/cqb thing. When on the move it brings the rifle inline with your eyes ratehr than bringing your head down to the rifle and allows you to shoot on the move without becoming disoriented.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 6:20:38 PM EDT
Torf, et al. That's how markmanship was taught at Fort Jackson 44 years ago (1959) and validated by many tens of thousands of rounds since. (that's an era when hitting the target meant something) I put in more time at the shooting range each week than you do in the chow line. Here is a shot with the real thing with a bit of a tuck on the elbow. [img]http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/3781hk5_gun.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 6:26:56 PM EDT
You guys look far too formal. Whats up with the shirts tucked in? Relax a bit!! [:D]
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Link Posted: 5/17/2003 3:59:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
Originally Posted By RipMeyer: You guys look far too formal. Whats up with the shirts tucked in? Relax a bit!! [:D]
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In my military days, we talked about the WWII vets and Korean vets. We called them Brown Booters for their boots where brown compared to black. I often wondered if todays military called us "Shirt Tuckers" for we wer required to have them tucked in. LOL
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As usual, Tom gives away our age. LOL. We could also be called "In Liners" as we were required to keep the button line on our shirt fronts in line with our zippers on our pants. Drill Sergeant Prigmore was a real stickler for detail and would use foul language if he spotted sloppiness. Of course, nowadays, I have to look in a mirror to see if it all lines up.[:)]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:14:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 5:18:02 AM EDT by TheRedGoat]
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
Originally Posted By RipMeyer: You guys look far too formal. Whats up with the shirts tucked in? Relax a bit!! [:D]
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In my military days, we talked about the WWII vets and Korean vets. We called them Brown Booters for their boots where brown compared to black. I often wondered if todays military called us "Shirt Tuckers" for we wer required to have them tucked in. LOL
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As usual, Tom gives away our age. LOL. We could also be called "In Liners" as we were required to keep the button line on our shirt fronts in line with our zippers on our pants. Drill Sergeant Prigmore was a real stickler for detail and would use foul language if he spotted sloppiness. Of course, nowadays, I have to look in a mirror to see if it all lines up.[:)]
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So, uhm, when I photoshop you does this mean the dress should be knee length, or is a pink tutu still acceptable? TRG PS. I was thinking that a light shade of pink to match your skin tone. And that hat? Let's try the one from this pic instead, mmm-kay? [img]http://www.rag-dog.com/html/SP006.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 12:13:29 PM EDT
By TRG:
So, uhm, when I photoshop you does this mean the dress should be knee length, or is a pink tutu still acceptable?
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Thanks anyway. I'll pass on the famous photoshopping opportunity. I'm not going to call your job or anything, but thanks anyway.[:D]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 3:09:41 PM EDT
Thanks anyway. I'll pass on the famous photoshopping opportunity. I'm not going to call your job or anything, but thanks anyway.[:D]
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good burn That looks like the flat lands of the Houston area.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 3:54:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dangerousdan: That looks like the flat lands of the Houston area.
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Good guess. About 90 miles east. Golden Triangle Gun Club in Beaumont.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 4:50:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: By TRG:
So, uhm, when I photoshop you does this mean the dress should be knee length, or is a pink tutu still acceptable?
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Thanks anyway. I'll pass on the famous photoshopping opportunity. I'm not going to call your job or anything, but thanks anyway.[:D]
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Too bad, because that hat would have been "Dead Sexy"[/Austin Powers] [;)] TRG
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 5:35:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: Nowadays, probably due to clearing rooms and going through doorways, you are taught to keep it down next to your side. In fact, SWAT teams are taught to face the target squarely and keep both elbows tucked in to make maximum use of body armor and to diminish the size of the profile. At Thunder Ranch, in the Urban Rifle course, Clint teaches you to keep the elbows in tight.
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I would agree with you...for the same reasons....less to get shot...and less bruises.
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